Keshe Blueprint

[dR-Green]

Belief and faith in order to acknowledge the possibility of what's supposed to be a scientific process?

I think you have missed something.

[Bob Smith]

I disagree. One has only to look at the indifference that mainstream media has shown towards Rossi. There we have 3-party tests as well as multiple confirmatory reports from around the world regarding LENR. With Keshe, fo far, absolutely no proof that this plasma-technology is real has been made public. So no surprise (imo) that he has received no media attention. Also remember, 'they' only close you down when you provide undeniable proof (ask 'TinMan') - so maybe Keshe is just a good poker-player.

Sprocket,
I don't disagree with you on what's happening. To be truthful, I find it quite odd. Perhaps it is a case of ignoring the matter. In any event, like the song says, "Vamos a ver, quien tiene la razon" (We shall see who's right):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izP0bpJ7bA4&feature=player_detailpage#t=17

Little humor for a Saturday afternoon.
Bob

[dragon]

It's interesting that some will completely deny the possibility because of the lack of understanding, some will rush in without any understanding in hopes of the holy grail, then there are those few that out of curiosity will build, learn and understand it, finding the real truth for themselves. It may or may not work but there is always something to be learned that can be used later.

I find the plasma capacitors very curious so it seems a good place to start at this simple level which will require the same procedures for the larger coils.

When the coils are blackened by caustic, the black is actually a magnetite nano layer which makes the coils mildly magnetic - could that make them more susceptible to magnetic activity? - quite interesting I thought... So what do the other layers represent? Could these form a PN junction? If there were any or all electromagnetic activity present could it be forced to flow in one direction? Toward the copper maybe..?

As far as making the gans, if you know how to make a galvanic battery then you know how to make gans. copper oxide gans is made when you add a charge, CO2 gans is caused by depleting the charge.

I don't know about anyone else but I find the whole process quite interesting....

[DavidE]

dragon,

Well said.

[Web000x]

It is interesting that his coils are Phi ratio proportioned.

[Terbo]

Something has ratteled the nest of vipers:

The future Belgian register for nanomaterials: challenges ahead for the nanotechnology community:
The future Belgian register for nanomaterials: challenges ahead for the nanotechnology community

Two comments regarding nanomaterials:

-- Belgium and other EU countries are trying to control nanoparticles in soaps in toothpaste since they end up in the water supply and cannot be filtered out. These regulations are not a government conspiracy to control Keshe Foundation research.

-- The Keshe "nanocoat" is a simple chemical reaction between copper and potassium hydroxide (KOH). This reaction creates a smooth black (CuOH) compound on the copper wire, not nanoparticles.

So, it is not clear why Keshe claims he has been exiled to Italy.

[Bob Smith]

Interesting comments about the so-called nanoparticles. I remember a researcher coating his SS tubes with the soot from a butane torch, and finding that the blackened tubes were acting as negative resistors. He had the video up on YT back in 2007 or 2008, but it was taken down. Maybe the truth is much less esoteric than some would claim.
Bob

[Ernst]

I was as clear-as-crystal about what I believe in what I wrote - the fact that you are seeking 'clarification' of my beliefs is strange.

But it's equally curious (and surprising) that you feel the need to try and personalise this, while ignoring or glossing over all of the other data-points I mentioned. That is usually the response of someone that either feels threatened, or is just out to debunk.

I see you feel attacked....
That is not necessary. I think I understand what you believe, no clarification needed.
I was just wondering why or how it is possible to believe something that is so obviously not true.
The things he says make no sense whatsoever.
His experiments are a joke and I doubt if they can even trick children.
His explanations of his experiments are absurd, and there are perfectly logical other explanations (which you learn in or before high-school).
So that is why I wonder why.
Why do I personalize this? Because you seem to see that it can not be true, yet you do (wish to?) believe. That sets you apart from people who are completely ignorant and would believe any story no matter how ridiculous.
But I have no intention to attack you in any way so perhaps it is best to just leave it there.

BTW nano-particles are not banned in Belgium. Neither is the use of these. There is just a register being set up for companies that manufacture or use these. And Belgium is NOT the only country in the world that has done so. Or at least this is what I read in the link provided. I have no idea why Belgium has decided to do so, but my best guess is the use of these in explosives (including nano thermite...). There is quite an extensive list of industries where registration is not required. You link this to Keshe. But I do not.
I see a general tendency in the world to scare people completely unnecessarily. All this terrorist stories, increased police checks everywhere, ridiculous new regulations for carry-on luggage in air-planes, climate change... etc. etc. So I view this Belgium act in that light and completely unrelated to Keshe's activity/existence.


Ernst.

[sprocket]

Two comments regarding nanomaterials:

-- Belgium and other EU countries are trying to control nanoparticles in soaps in toothpaste since they end up in the water supply and cannot be filtered out. These regulations are not a government conspiracy to control Keshe Foundation research.

Below is a quote from an article from as early as 2013 that confirms this, so Keshe is at best uninformed. It's a little hypocritical though that they should feign concern over what's in toothpaste, given they've been lacing it with deadly fluoride for decades! Even the American Dental Association (one of its strongest advocates) sheepishly admitted over a decade ago that it provides no dental-health benefits.

Earlier this year, the European Commission made recommendations to make its chemical regulations more relevant to nano-materials and in March, the British government established a nano-technology forum to discuss how to proceed safely with the new technology. France announced at a conference on European regulation of nano-materials late last year that it would bring in regulation of nano-materials in this month. Denmark already has regulation and Sweden has proposed it.

[DavidE]

[Ernst]

Cavemen probably believed in numerous weird things that have been disproven a long time ago.
Same goes for people from the middle-ages.
I would like to believe that there is some progress in the development of mankind, and looking at our technology there does seem to be.
Yet sometimes my hopes are shattered.
I see people talking about flat earth theories as if it actually makes sense to discuss those.
People talking about counter-space....
And then of course there is this Keshe loony.
Start making your first coil during a full moon. Pray before you start making the coils, send good intentions to it and while your at it, draw a pentacle on the floor and light candles in each corner, invoke an arch angle of your liking and ask him (politely and with good intentions) to bless your magrav. And remember to cover the magrav with bat-wings when venus aligns with mars or the nano particles will invoke a plasma demon from the zero-point dark-universe, and that may render your magrav useless.

What went wrong that people even pay attention to this?
Any serious discussion on any of Keshes experiments, theories, promises etc. is an insult to both your intelligence and the intelligence of the person you are addressing.

What am I doing here anyway?

Ernst.

[Turion]

Just because someone is a whack job who believes he has been possessed by evil spirits and is being chased by angles with fiery swords does NOT mean he hasn't stumbled upon something that actually works. (I say this in general...not in respect to Keshe) The FOCUS and the DEBATE here should be about the technology and whether or not it is viable, not about the individual. I have no idea if this is viable, and I do appreciate the warnings that people are probably wasting their time here. But all that has been made clear a NUMBER of times in regard to Keshe. Is it possible to put that all aside and let those who choose to try and replicate go forward without being told every second how stupid they are for following this path? If there's ONE thing I have learned over the last 60 odd years it's that NO research is without merit. We learn things we never expected to learn. Perhaps someone on this path may learn something that benefits the rest of us. Why make their journey down it more difficult?? The warning signs have been clearly posted. If they choose to go around them, they are either great explorers or fools. Who are WE to say which? There's no need to jump on them with both feet. Or is there?
"There be dragons here"

Dave

[Ernst]

You are right, Turion!
I'll shut up.


Ernst.

[djarno]

Nasa image ampflication;



Fighting closed loop magnetic field (aswell).

Double tesla coil arrangemant CCW and CW also fighting.

Mightbe tryable, create small unit of regular ? insulated wire-> oscilloscope fairly low voltage.

[DavidE]

Why?

Why would a man assemble a team of people to introduce a series of new technologies worldwide that didn't work?

Why would a man establish specific Patents and then allow anyone to develop devices based on this proprietary technology?

Why would a man broadcast training classes worldwide as to steps to construct devices and to better understand the operation if there was no substance to the effort?

Why would a man give professionally constructed devices to 1,000 world leaders, if they didn't perform a useful function?

Why would a man make such extraordinary claims in so many areas if he didn't believe he could deliver?

Either this man is stark raving mad, or he is so far advanced from most, that it will take time to embrace these new visions for what they could be.

The largest space of innovative possibilities, first exist in the realm of the counter-intuitive.

Notice I posted the information so that each could discover the truth for themselves. Hundreds of thousands of others worldwide are following the same path...

I find it beyond belief that any one man would take so much risk, if there wasn't some offer of substance... at the heart of the matter.