Magnet motor revelation

[BroMikey]

If we want an idea of correct size of rotor and relationship of stator size to rotor size, I suggest we read between the lines a bit and LOOK AT POST #42.

Dave

Okay I have been giving that some thought as well. Something like

(RECALLING FROM MEMORY) the ramps will be longer when only

experimenting with a "CELL" and when the entire motor or

more "CELLS" are added the ramps with need to be shortened.

Then the ramps are no longer than 1.5-2X the Magnet?

Working backwards, I know. Kind of narrows some things down.

Do you have any approximations?

Note: Find a huge company OZONE GENERATOR and demand that

the insurance company pay for that OXYGENATION PROCESS.

It will kill all smells. They pop holes in the dry wall and feed the

OZONE in and after 2 days your house will no smell.

[wantomake]

#42

Dave,
I'm bombing out here, so I give up.

Post #42 I don't see anything.

[tachyoncatcher]

Dave,
I'm bombing out here, so I give up.

Post #42 I don't see anything.

wanto,
I think Dave was referring to post #25. For what it's worth, I'm using steel for my test ramps. I'll convert after the initial build.

Mike,
What's the info about the ozone for? Did I miss a deleted post or something?

All,
The way i interpret Mack and my testing, the attraction fork span the gap between the two magnets. The stator and rotor. This causes additional attraction pull to the rotor while neutralizing the magnetic domain of the ramp. *** Hey it sound feasible *** Then, bend the ends of the forks just slightly past center of stator magnet toward the rotor. To semi shunt the rotor magnet as it passes. Weakening the rotor magnet just long enough to get past the sticky point. This is my wild hair guess that I am building toward. Will let you know how it goes.

Good Luck,

Randy

[wantomake]

Me too

Thanks Randy,
I'm using steel also. 1/4" thick, and cut new ramp today to get ready for the magnets when postal brings them.

I started on a better rotor with bigger bearing also. Even with the weaker ceramics the last rotor would push and stick when passing the repulsion magnet. Time for an upgrade.

I have many motors different sizes ac and dc. Would be nice to convert the laminated core from one to use as ramps.

Happy building old friend,
wantomake

[Turion]

My mistake

Oops, my bad. The quote was from post #316.

We already know what size magnets we should be using. Mack told us. Knowing that, go to the picture he gave us in post #281. It shows a rotor with magnet on it and a stator magnet with ramp. It is possible we could learn something, knowing the size of the magnets and from that info, figuring out the size of the rotor. Knowing those two things gives us the length of the ramp, since we were also told the number of degrees of the circumference of the circle it could take up. Or maybe Mack wasn't that careful in his drawings. But what if he was?

Dave

[BroMikey]

Oops, my bad. The quote was from post #316.

We already know what size magnets we should be using. Mack told us. Knowing that, go to the picture he gave us in post #281. It shows a rotor with magnet on it and a stator magnet with ramp. It is possible we could learn something, knowing the size of the magnets and from that info, figuring out the size of the rotor. Knowing those two things gives us the length of the ramp, since we were also told the number of degrees of the circumference of the circle it could take up. Or maybe Mack wasn't that careful in his drawings. But what if he was?

Dave

Yes Mack has said the his rotor was 12" and his magnets are 1/2X1/2"X1"

I had not thought about the degrees post. He also has 8 positions.

@Randy

That note was for Dave, his house has serious smoke damage from the wild

fire disaster. Smoke is rotten It really blows a guys rotor, HEYAAA??

[Ufopolitics]

Quoting Myself...

Hello Guys,

I am working -like I said before- in a smaller scale with cubes and rectangles...

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah...stop the babble and SHOW the video, c'mon bro!!...drip,drip, drip

Right Mikey...?

My question to Mack is:

After we are done -hoping- we have them balanced...

Is it normal that at low speed or after the end of spin, the two poles end up at the sticky point, and really stock?

The question is because I believe there will never be a "zero-perfect-cancellation" since rotor and stators are not within same linear/straight vector.

At some speed over time done with my fingers, there is no cogging and it rotates freely.

I have tried some quick ramps and they do make a difference by varying the sticky point and not making it that sticky.

I will be building some heavier ones tomorrow and then I will post a video.

There are some interesting view of the attract interaction...with and without ramp...under the viewing film that I will show as well.

Take care all


Ufopolitics

[tachyoncatcher]

Smoke

Dave,

I spent 11 years in odor abatement. Get in touch if you are interested. There are multiple processes and definitely insurance claims involved. RE: post 281, Mack did say "not to scale".

U.P.: I see you obsessed too! Lol.

Take Care,

Randy

[MadMack]

Ladies and gentleman, I am now the recipient of a CEASE AND DESIST demand specifically citing this forum thread and all other public or private venues. Since everything I have discussed is prior art or general design advice I refuse to do so. My so called partners may have control of a specific motor design but they do not own the knowledge I have. I have not revealed any information specific to the patent application that was supposed

Rue,
We are not canceling magnetic poles, we balance the force applied to the rotor by two sets of magnets at separate points. Later we will alter that balance at advantageous points in the rotation so the magnet sets can aid the rotation.

BroMikey,
Eddy currents circulate parallel to the rotor shaft, so the laminations are 90 degrees to the shaft to limit the circulation. Exactly the same as in an electric motor. No need to read between the lines here.
BTW you do have the view labels reversed in post 320.
You asked earlier about the rotor material, it sounds to me like you would be the expert there. I just asked my plastic supplier for a strong, dimensionally stable nylon that was easily machinable and he sold me a material that fit the bill. Sorry I don't have the invoice and I don't remember the exact type of nylon but I got it from Sabic Polymershapes.

Cristian,

the air gap between the ramp and the magnet on the side up - down and the thick of the ramp, as a general rule?

[Stealth]

If any of you are having trouble balancing your magnetic system, go to Keelynet energy.com and scroll down to Tomi ramp to see exactly how magnets interact with each other. Or go to JLN labs and scroll down to Bedini's magnetic gate. This will give a better understanding of the system I employ on my setup. Good Luck. stealth

[Ufopolitics]

my motor ramp fork. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seXe...ature=youtu.be Also annex a picture with the ramp
regards Cristian alba

[BroMikey]

Ladies and gentleman, I am now the recipient of a CEASE AND DESIST demand specifically citing this forum thread and all other public or private venues. Since everything I have discussed is prior art or general design advice I refuse to do so. My so called partners may have control of a specific motor design but they do not own the knowledge I have. I have not revealed any information specific to the patent application that was supposed

So much for buddies who won't stab you in the back. but why

do I think you have developed a thick skin over the years of big

brass intimidation? You are a blessing indeed. So refreshing to find

a tough dude who won't be pushed over by scare tactics.

I was beginning to wonder if I would ever meet up with one.

Seems like those guy may have bit off more than they can chew.

Yes prior art is a wonderful thing, all of these details just splattered

all over the Patents with a man name MADMACK putting them all together

into one nete letter for me to see. Don't think we don't understand

the debts of posts. I have spent years digging in Patents and can

appreciate your fire concerning the "REVELATION"? Of buried info?

Yes I understand.

BroMikey,
Eddy currents circulate parallel to the rotor shaft, so the laminations are 90 degrees to the shaft to limit the circulation. Exactly the same as in an electric motor. No need to read between the lines here.
BTW you do have the view labels reversed in post 320.
You asked earlier about the rotor material, it sounds to me like you would be the expert there. I just asked my plastic supplier for a strong, dimensionally stable nylon that was easily machinable and he sold me a material that fit the bill. Sorry I don't have the invoice and I don't remember the exact type of nylon but I got it from Sabic Polymershapes.


Come on you guys! Some of you are so close to finishing this 2nd step I'm bouncing in my seat with anticipation.

Best Regards to all,
Mack

I am looking at the magnets you used and they are $2 each.

Yes hurry up to those guys way away of me. Mack, thanks for

clearing my head on rules of thumb "90 degree rule"

Also I see my error on side view vs. top view. This is about the magnet.

Thanks for being a real warrior and not bailing out on me.

[Ufopolitics]

Sharing my design...

Hello Guys,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUyP...ature=youtu.be

[wantomake]

Hope

Thanks Madmack,
Sorry your associates are giving you all this trouble and I hope you can stay here on this forum until one of us can finish this project.

I plan to use laminate soft metal now that it's clear which way it's used. I have much I can use for test rigs. My magnets came today so I'll get busy.

Trying to draw to scale the ramp as you described them.

Again I hope all works out good for you.

Bromikey, how are holding your laminates together?

Ufopolitics, great video and nice build.

wantomake

[BroMikey]

Hello Guys,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUyP...ature=youtu.be

I learn something every time you speak. Get over that stage fright

Yeah that's a beauty. Nice shave job too. And the little drop in puck keeps

the weight equal on each end plus gives a guy some adjustment room.

I see brass is the way to go on fasteners. I think the stator magnets

should be adjustable to overcome slight construction imperfections unless

a cnc machine is used to make all parts.

Thanks for the video UFO.