Regenerative Acceleration in Use with Rotary Charging Systems

[lorinrandone]

hello everyone
my name is Cristian Alba, and I'm the same of the thread >>Magnet Motor revelation< <. Today I bring my research on the effect commented on this thread. Few expenses, with common materials by hand of any people
here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjoav6SwFvg and here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0_Z...ature=youtu.be
please comment.
Best regard.

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VIDBID A. E. R. Motor &amp; Battery Charger



Updated VIDBID A. E. R. Motor & Battery Charger

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Vidbid asymmetrical electromagnetic repulsion motor &amp; battery charger

Design employs battery charging. Design adapted from Imhotep Relay Charger.



Doug Konzen stated that he figured out how to capture the "Splatter Energy" but that feature is not incorporated into this design.

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vidbid imhotep repulsion motor and charger

Comrades,

This is an idea for a repulsion motor. As you can see, it is inspired by the Imhotep Relay Charger.



Dasvidaniya!

[BroMikey]

Thane Heins has Patents, Thane is not going to give away

for free everything he has learned for the last 20 years.


I will address this ongoing malfunctioning thought process by

the beginners. Thane never said he was giving away the secret

to a self running engine, although he has for those who can see.


What Thane is doing is this.

Thane takes a motor that runs at 190watts and says "SEE THE MOTOR"??

This is going to sound redundant to many of you so I apologize.


Now there is a conventional motor running on 190 watts and that can

never be less than 190 watts with that motor efficiency.


There it is, a motor running on 190 watts, wouldn't it be amazing

if we could lower that input and increase the power at the same

time?


Wouldn't that be amazing. So thane steps up to the plate, saying

sure I can do that for you. The 190 watts represents $190,000

in electrical bills that can never be lower.


So when Thane can get more than 20 watts back he is getting

more than $20,000 in returns, let's not forget the power increase.


All the hard-heads tilt.


From there we must review the material that Thane and others have

witnessed. One input and one or two recovering coil systems and

a percentage is recovered without degrading power or performance.


Wait Thane must be hiding a battery.


Each additional coil system is added maybe 12 more and the

prime mover is UNAFFECTED by them. In fact the prime mover works

better and the 12 coils all collect their portion till we see a nearly

100 percent recovery. But even if it is not 100 percent, whatever

the recovery is (Say 50 percent) that is more than what conventional

systems can achieve. In conventional we see 100 percent input

burnt completely to the ground immediately if not sooner.


So when any one can stand before me and tell me they are able

to devise a scheme whereby the energy available in a motor

can be recycled, I say hats off to that man.


In all cases when a prime mover is unaffected by the addition

of an ever growing number of coil sets the current must be lagging

approx 90 degrees out of sinc with the voltage.

This is basic delayed Lenz.

If 20 watts can be recovered then 190 watts can be recovered because

to the added coil sets the 190 watts in the prime mover is seen as

reactive power.


Now as far as Thane going around the web and stating he is giving

away free of charge to save the world self looped motors, it just

ain't so. This is a lie and you all know it.

A strategy against the accused, will the defendant rise?

And of course the accuser has and will continue to elevate

himself to a position of judge on something he knows nothing

about.



I am sure Thane needs more time to improve on that idea and is

getting at it everyday. But this little spoiled rotten temper tantrum

approach that demands all of the answers through twisting the

truth of this investigation is a poor way of saying thanks.


I wouldn't give my jewels away to you dogs so you can bury it

in the dirt. Your fit throwing attitude has been spotted from day one,

you are the only one who can't see it.


Plus the fact that even the best investigators can not wrap their

minds around this stuff in a short time.


Thane is a great teacher and I want to publically thank him for all

of his efforts to help us to understand. Just as Thane has always

done, thane is a teacher. Canada screwed up when they put his

book bag out on the front lawn.

Many of the people who disagree with Thanes projects seem to

suggest the same. Away with with Thane, is that it?

[Turion]

Thoughts

I can't speak for Thane or his device. I don't even have enough specific information about his stuff to attempt an accurate replication. All I can do is speak for what I see on my bench. Yes, I have compared input to output. 60 watts to turn all three rotors and only 25 watts output from one coil. Those are facts. I posted that video. I did not load up the other 11 coils to determine their output. I already KNOW I can get back better than 80% of the 60 watt input and I did not run the setup on the pulse motor, which is even more efficient. Right now I am concentrating on which coil will produce the best results. Once I have completed all my testing I will probably post some video of my gen running with the pulse motor, recovery circuit and modified coils. Until then, I am just as full of hot air as the rest of the quacks out there but that's ok. I don't have anything to prove to anybody but myself.

[BroMikey]

Perpetual Motion with Thane Heins - Episode 5 - Out Of Their Minds - CBC Player

http://www.cbc.ca/player/Radio/More+Shows/Out+of+Their+Minds/ID/2070406415/

The establishment is against him, but then again, why wouldn't it be? After all, they have vested interests.

Yeah and I'll tell you one more thing, THESE CONTROL freaks are

playing mind games with the general populous till over half are

suffering one form or another mental illness. Dementia is connected

to vaccines and chemical trails. Aluminum is being sprayed more than

ever before in large volumes from aircraft. The pilots are getting

sick from it. Radiation being released as never before which is an

electrical disruptor to the human biology.

WE THE PEOPLE are under a secret attack and this effects our

emotions.

The point in all of these few words are that if we know that we

might be under bombardment, maybe it can begin to make more

sense why we see people around us not making clear divisive

judgements. And let's remember each of us may eventually follow

suit as we are witnessing the weakest ones fail first.


These people who can get up on youtube and make a comedy of

a mans life have no moral system whatsoever. It's just money

to them. They will lie, cheat, steal, murder in exchange for a few

shillings. These are the soulless ones.


Do not be side tracked by the goofy clown/ story rhyming jokers

who has learned to hoodwink the vulnerable and are able to turn

the masses at will.


The masses are PEER PRESSURE DRIVEN this mean they have no mind

of their own. Thanks 4 the article showing just how low these

planners will stoop to discredit a man. Just like the MYTH BUSTERS did

to John Bedini years ago.


These manipulators are world wide and THEY hate you and I.

THEY hate themselves.

The people who go with THEIR agenda to hurt their fellow-mates

will be treated the way they have been treating others in the

end of THEIR game.


The people will rise victorious from their snare.

[Farmhand]

Here is what I have seen

I threaded a 12" rotor onto the shaft of my razor scooter motor and spin it up to 1850 RPM. I recorded the amps, volts and RPM's of the motor. Then I introduced an air core coil to the rotor. (Howdy! Glad to meet ya.) I saw no increase in amp draw, no increase in voltage and no decrease in RPM's. This indicated to me that the air core coil in and of itself has no effect either positive nor negative on the prime mover. When I put a load across the coil, I got no increase in RPM and no increase in amp draw.

So I stepped it up.

I did the exact SAME experiment with my three rotor generator. I recorded amp draw, voltage and RPM prior to introducing coils, and then introduced 12 coils to the rotors. (This took a while as there was a lot of shaking of hands and meaningless greetings.) Again there was little or NO change in amp draw or voltage nor was there a decrease in RPM's. I will say that the needle on the amp meter did wiggle, but did not change substantially. When I loaded one coil I got a decrease in amp draw and an increase in RPM. Not much, but measurable.

That is what I saw. Make of it what you will. Ignore it if you choose.

Dave

I should say that the FIRST coil I used is NOT the same coil as what is in my generator. When I took a single coil out of my generator and ran the same test without by itself, I got a speed up under load of 12 RPM. Again, nothing exciting, but I am happy with just maintaining speed under load and producing the most power possible.

Turion, what is your input compared to output ?

If there is acceleration under load and no OU then whats the point. Many of
us can get acceleration under load without OU but no one can show OU from
such a setup.

One of Thanes best demo's shows about 190 Watts consumed for about
20 Watts or less output, clearly very inefficient and no were near even 50%
efficiency, Certainly not OU, and yet he claims he can make energy. pffft.

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New Paradigm

Perpetual Motion with Thane Heins - Episode 5 - Out Of Their Minds - CBC Player

http://www.cbc.ca/player/Radio/More+Shows/Out+of+Their+Minds/ID/2070406415/

The establishment is against him, but then again, why wouldn't it be? After all, they have vested interests.

[bistander]

Efficiency

I agree the machines are useless as far as doing a reasonable amount of real
work for the cost and as with Thanes setup they are very inefficient when
the total input is compared to the useful output.

That is also true for the transformer version of the effect where the input
drops when the transformer is loaded. I also demonstrated a transformer
performing the effect.

Search for a thread by OverunityGuide about it.

If a setup is using 180 Watts so that 20 Watts can be drawn without slowing
the machine or even speeding it up a bit then that is about 11 % efficient.
So no, doing that is not useful it's wasteful.

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I didn't see anything from OverunityGuide which was interesting, but I did run across this. It is actually a well done test and results are plotted like this:



From this link: DLE-TEST07 : Full measurements on the Regenerative Acceleration Generator from Thane C. Heins

The plot uses generator RPM as the abscissas (x-axis) and shows delta RPM and delta input power in percentage. That is input power from the power supply driving the motor turning the generator. So there is no measure of generator output power. So there is no means to determine the efficiency of the generator. However, the generator load is 0.1Ω and the coil resistance is 23Ω. So from those two parameters, a best case efficiency for the generator regardless of load or speed is 0.43%. Not 43%, but 0.0043 or 0.43%. Less than 1 percent. But this is near a short circuit output where this "regenerative acceleration" is observed. And efficiency at short circuit is zero. So it make sense to me and is why I question the usefulness of such generators.

Has anything similar to this "regenerative acceleration" been observed and recorded at a useful generator output? Like maybe 200 to 300 Watts for a device that size? How about taking a commercially available generator and rewinding it to improve efficiency from 80% to 85%? Then do a side by side comparison test under load measuring inputs and outputs? Is that too much to ask?

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[BroMikey]

I agree the machines are useless

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If a setup is using 180 Watts so that 20 Watts can be drawn without slowing
the machine or even speeding it up a bit then that is about 11 % efficient.


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Any beginner can get closer than 11 percent. I can see you are less

than a beginner. The power to reason is a gift. Attacks without

experiments show nothing. If you have done the experiments then you

know that anyone just starting out can take one input and collect

most of the energy by simply connecting a conventional generator

to the other end. We are not talking about 11 percent here.


This discussion is for someone who has passed their test by

conventional means. I can take an off the shelf motor and couple

it up to a car alternator and do better than your 11 percent.


Until you can build a rotor and coil set that is not wasting

90 percent of it's own power you can never see what this thread

deals with.


For pete sakes don't post that 11 percent figure again, it make you

look bad. With all of those magnets and you can't do as good

as a conventional generator with no magnets? Something is seriously

wrong there. Get it up to the 80-90 degree mark such as we see

is standard university level thinking. If you can't do that then you

don't qualifiy for going over 90 percent with THAT rig, whatever

it is. If you have a 1/2" gap between magnets and coils then you

need to read a school book. If your coils are a twisted up mess

again back to conventional. Also loading and matching loads can

set back your efficiency.


This thread is for people who can acheive a conventional standard

then proceed to go beyond. Get it up to 90 then we will talk 95.


If all you have is 11 percent then I have to say you are not trying

because a school boy beginner tops that the first day.

No you are not really trying. Delayed Lenz and Thane is a master

at teaching, he is worthy of front row students.


PDi Regenerative Acceleration and BiTT Principles



[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5osYN5f35Bc[/VIDEO]


[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y89nMe7AGE[/VIDEO]


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[BroMikey]

Hey Dave

Good to hear SOMEBODY speak with an analytical mind. I can't

stress enough what it means to me personally. It is like we are

drowning in a sea of mindlessness for some of these so called

experimenters. Men who have the wooden wheel with all of the

spools but have little power to reason it out. What you have

stated is exactly what Thane has stated. One reactive input

and then keep adding coils for no appreciable input power

change. On the other hand those 12 coils are raking it in

big time. It is posts like this that make these threads worth

something. And all of that other Big Chezz Wiz boasting

is nothing but whale butter.


You are leading the way because you are not motivated by ego.


It is your turn now, you are the oldest and wisest.The

younger guys know how to make it work also but like most young

men they must shake their poor behavior patterns.


The more I hear YOU talk the more I am apt to do some experimenting

because I can see that those large wafer magnets flying around at

break neck speeds have good potential. Great for adding more coils.


All of the Bi-Toroid researchers have stated that the current is 90

degrees out of phase with the voltage and this ReGenX mode also

works on the similar principle.


This of course is my amateur opinion.

[Turion]

Seeing is believing

Here is what I have seen

I threaded a 12" rotor onto the shaft of my razor scooter motor and spin it up to 1850 RPM. I recorded the amps, volts and RPM's of the motor. Then I introduced an air core coil to the rotor. (Howdy! Glad to meet ya.) I saw no increase in amp draw, no increase in voltage and no decrease in RPM's. This indicated to me that the air core coil in and of itself has no effect either positive nor negative on the prime mover. When I put a load across the coil, I got no increase in RPM and no increase in amp draw.

So I stepped it up.

I did the exact SAME experiment with my three rotor generator. I recorded amp draw, voltage and RPM prior to introducing coils, and then introduced 12 coils to the rotors. (This took a while as there was a lot of shaking of hands and meaningless greetings.) Again there was little or NO change in amp draw or voltage nor was there a decrease in RPM's. I will say that the needle on the amp meter did wiggle, but did not change substantially. When I loaded one coil I got a decrease in amp draw and an increase in RPM. Not much, but measurable.

That is what I saw. Make of it what you will. Ignore it if you choose.

Dave

I should say that the FIRST coil I used is NOT the same coil as what is in my generator. When I took a single coil out of my generator and ran the same test without by itself, I got a speed up under load of 12 RPM. Again, nothing exciting, but I am happy with just maintaining speed under load and producing the most power possible.

[Farmhand]

What puzzles me is that I have always found that when I short the armature or a phase (coil(s)) on a permanent magnet machine (motor or generator), it comes to a screeching stop. And is impossible to rotate by hand at more than an RPM or two. So what gives with these demonstrations of "regenerative acceleration"? Two things come to mind. One is the coil impedance is ridiculously high. And two, that the magnetic circuit is ridiculously loose or leaky. In other words, the machine is useless as far as doing any real work. It is just an academic exercise showing an anomaly caused by armature reaction.

I agree the machines are useless as far as doing a reasonable amount of real
work for the cost and as with Thanes setup they are very inefficient when
the total input is compared to the useful output.

That is also true for the transformer version of the effect where the input
drops when the transformer is loaded. I also demonstrated a transformer
performing the effect.

Search for a thread by OverunityGuide about it.

If a setup is using 180 Watts so that 20 Watts can be drawn without slowing
the machine or even speeding it up a bit then that is about 11 % efficient.
So no, doing that is not useful it's wasteful.

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[Farmhand]

Well people can decide for themselves and do whatever they like. I've given my opinion and will do it again if I feel like it.

Everyone should show their setups and their input and output so we can see who has the most efficient setup. My guess is none are OU. Go figure.

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