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  • #16
    Originally posted by thx1138 View Post
    This idea has been bouncing around my head for some time. What if the so called extra-terrestrials are our ancestors?

    Our current civilization if 20,000 to 40,000 years old depending on who you ask. Yet there are clearly manufactured stone structures around the planet older than that.

    The earth's magnetic field reverses every 400 thousand to 1.2 million years and can be relatively fast (10's or 100's of years) or slow (1,000's of years). During the magnetic reversal the earth's magnetic field gets very distorted and possibly fragmented such that there are multiple north and south poles. During this time the magnetic field is weakened so the protection from the solar wind is reduced. Should any of these multiple poles be perpendicular to the sun's magnetic poles instead of the parallel magnetic poles we enjoy now, those perpendicular poles could be pointing directly at the sun and would, in that case, be drawing the solar wind down to the planet's surface as occurs now to produce auroral lights. But they would would be much stronger because they would, in effect, be pointed right at the sun rather than being on the cusps. That would literally scorch regions of the surface and possibly melt all ice on the planet. That would destroy a lot, if not all, of life on the planet, any surviving life being either in caves or very deep in the oceans.

    Suppose there was a human civilization before ours that lasted for a million years or so. Knowing what we know now after 0.020 or 0.040 million years of development and the rate of gaining knowledge evidenced in the last 200 years, it would not be unreasonable for a 1.000 million year old civilization to develop travel at light speed, or nearly so. Now suppose they took off for a jaunt of say 10 or 50 years or so at nearly light speed and 100,000 years passed on the earth. Suppose a magnetic pole reversal occurred that wiped out nearly all of the life on earth while they were away and what we see today is that remainder of civilization rebuilding itself.

    Then the "extra-terrestrials" might not be extra-terrestrial at all, but our ancestors evolved even further. They are us and we are them. They drop in once in a while, look around, shake their heads sadly, and head out again saying, "We really came from THAT?" And while they're here they plant a little knowledge and possibly do a little genetic manipulation before taking off.

    As for Roswell, well, **** happens.

    On the other hand, they may have originated in another galaxy and we might just be their liver farm for their pate de foie gras and they don't want to harvest too much at once because it would drive the price down.

    BTW, I LOVE pate de foie gras. I don't, however, want to be it.
    Everyone know I hate a good fight but :SNIFF,SNIFF,SNIFF: You Smell that? :SNIFF,SNIFF,SNIFF: I smell it, YAAAAAAA! Bull$Hit.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by ewizard View Post
      If you are aware of CSETI (Sirius Disclosure |) and Dr. Greer you know he fully believes that Alien contact is being denied/covered up because if it was admitted by governments the first thing people would want to know is what energy source is being used to get alien craft to Earth - an obvious very powerful energy source. Note that I am currently being blocked from cseti.org and the siriusdisclosure.com and all sites related to CSETI and I must use a Proxy to view them. Being in the U.S. I find this very odd. Anyone else have trouble getting to these sites? Google "CSETI" and you'll find a lot of sites talking about CSETI but I think cseti.org and siriusdisclosure.com and new.cseti.org (this last one is confirmed down at this time by Is It Down Right Now? Website Down or Not? but the rest are up) are the main sites of Dr. Greer and his CSETI organization. There are some very good youtubes from them -- including the one where they interview dozens of former military, intelligence and Area 51 personnel and so on that have had direct contact with aliens.
      Nice collection of facts. Thats how ya do it.

      Facts.


      Here is a guy easy to listen to showing the artifacts from around the world.

      One guy is talking about many things, sounds like a researcher.

      But the facts are cool. A more realistic time line putting the flood

      time around 2900 BC by secular science. Some of these

      programs are almost silly. At the end, yes, silly.


      Here are some manifestations of space Aliens.


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pKNRy5lnqQ



      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNOR18-u9V0






















      Last edited by BroMikey; 07-25-2015, 06:45 AM.

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      • #18
        Anyone who hasn't seen one or both of these may find them very interesting and CONVINCING: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk and


        "A large number of ex high ranking officials including air traffic controllers, ex secret op. officers, commercial pilots, numerous military defense specialists with top secret clearance, people who had access to very sensitive documents
        lieutenants, ex commanders in the u.s airforce,
        astronauts,etc...
        all going before the national press club to discuss what their experiences have been regarding u.f.o's and all are willing to go before congress to testify under oath.. never before has such a group come forward..

        this is a must see it is long.. extremely informative and enlightening."

        and 2nd one: "Top-secret military, government, intelligence and corporate witnesses to secret projects tell their true stories which disclose the greatest covert program in world history. This explosive testimony by actual government insiders proves that UFOs are real, that some are of extraterrestrial origin and that super-secret programs have energy and propulsion technologies that will enable humanity to begin a new civilization- A civilization without pollution, without poverty - A civilization capable of traveling among the stars."
        There is no important work, there are only a series of moments to demonstrate your mastery and impeccability. Quote from Almine

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        • #19
          Originally posted by ewizard View Post
          if it was admitted by governments the first thing people would want to know is what energy source is being used to get alien craft to Earth - an obvious very powerful energy source.
          Who comes up with this stuff? The average person couldn't care less, thoughts regarding a power source wouldn't even cross their minds. They don't even care what powers their TV as long as it keeps them entertained.

          Furthermore I'll quite happily take an oath and then claim I was born on the moon. Apparently you'd be forced to believe me, and the claim is automatically the proof, according to youtube video description.
          http://www.teslascientific.com/

          "Knowledge is cosmic. It does not evolve or unfold in man. Man unfolds to an awareness of it. He gradually discovers it." - Walter Russell

          "Once men died for Truth, but now Truth dies at the hands of men." - Manly P. Hall

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          • #20
            Originally posted by dR-Green View Post
            Who comes up with this stuff? The average person couldn't care less, thoughts regarding a power source wouldn't even cross their minds. They don't even care what powers their TV as long as it keeps them entertained.

            Furthermore I'll quite happily take an oath and then claim I was born on the moon. Apparently you'd be forced to believe me, and the claim is automatically the proof, according to youtube video description.

            I CAN'T HOLD ITITS A BIG ONE LIZABATH I'M COMIN TA JOIN YA!!!

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            • #21
              Whether anyone believes or not is irrelevant. No matter what you believe does not make it so. Only by seeing and experiencing a non conventional aircraft, from whatever origin, will cause you to reevaluate your reality. I don't know, or say they are extraterrestrial or not, but seeing the size of these things makes me wonder how you could build something that size that could hold together structurally. I have been involved in large building projects, bridge structures, building structures and know what type of steel and how massive is required for making these structures stand up to environmental changes and disasters. It would be even more pronounced in a flying machine. Aircraft are mostly made of aluminum, for the lighter weight, which is far less structurally stable than steel. An aircraft of the size of a football field would need massive aluminum structures just to support its own weight, not including crew and payload. They must be made of Titanium instead. Only military or other worldly sources would possess that much Titanium. Oh, and the Roswell crash was made of a Bismuth alloy co0mpound. Good luck. stealth

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Stealth View Post
                Whether anyone believes or not is irrelevant. No matter what you believe does not make it so.

                aircraft of the size of a football field would need massive aluminum structures just to support its own weight, not including crew and payload. They must be made of Titanium instead.


                stealth
                No, not what I have been told. The antigravity generators don't

                care how heavy it is with some versions. Also the football field size

                floating cities are made in segments and the separate sections interlock

                each section having it's own generator with each generator attracting

                each other as the interlocking mechanism.

                These systems are designs to need many many units and this

                creates more stability as more are added.


                Multiple systems to insure the survival of the occupants.


                This way many normal structures that we are already use to

                building can be made to build a city size unit. Think of each

                section like a floating air cushion similar to tractor tire inter tubes

                all set up on a fluid.


                Composites and aluminum work. A composite I have worked with

                are micro-spheres (Boro-silicate Glass) very high temp, very strong,

                very light, in fact the airline planes are made of it.

                Nothing more than granite.

                If done right composites like, carbon fibers, are better than metals.



                Last edited by BroMikey; 07-25-2015, 08:33 PM.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Stealth View Post
                  Whether anyone believes or not is irrelevant.



                  Oh, and the Roswell crash was made of a Bismuth alloy co0mpound. Good luck. stealth
                  Of course this a completely different subject because those crafts

                  were quite small from what I heard and uses another form of

                  anti-gravity system.

                  Look at Bismuth it is Dia-magnetic. Bismuth has good heat sheilding

                  properties as well as being a crystal which bring in more discussion

                  on how that particular system functioned with it's generators.


                  There is more than one system, after all this all started quite a while

                  ago. The understanding of antigravity structures are perfected now.

                  I have no clue how many more we have. A lot of conclusions can be reached in 70 years.





                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bismuth


                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamagnetism
                  Last edited by BroMikey; 07-25-2015, 08:36 PM.

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                  • #24
                    Yes, composites are used extensively throughout the aerospace and aviation industry owe. The newest being a protein based composite which has been in use quite a while now. Kevlar is still used in some applications as well as carbon fiber. Still, there is a limit to how big a structure can be and still be structurally stable. I have seen the large military transport planes C130's, and that is about the limit on airplane size. Only a derigible could be bigger. But these have not much speed and are hazardous in high winds. Good Luck. stealth

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Stealth View Post
                      Yes, composites are used extensively throughout the aerospace and aviation industry


                      Only a derigible could be bigger. But these have not much speed and are hazardous in high winds. Good Luck. stealth

                      There are many points to be made to all of this. Remember that

                      anti-gravity ships are not effects by wind. Not effected by inertia.

                      It is another place in time. Only a few fractions of a second difference

                      sometimes but never the less another "place in time".

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                      • #26
                        Nothing can leave this solar system as a solid object.
                        Even if, you took a rocket ship, and somehow made it travel at 15x the speed of light it would still take a year to get to the nearest solar system.
                        While traveling that immense distance, all year long, if you hit a single pebble floating in space, the entire ship would blow up.

                        Folding space requires too much energy.
                        Bending space in front of the ship, may be possible but it probably doesn't solve the pebble problem, still would require a lot of energy and I doubt it would reach light speed.

                        Whats the only other option? Transmutation of matter.
                        Matter is just condensed energy. We know there are multiple dimensions.
                        If you can transmutate a solid craft into a high frequency state of existence, produce a field that would resonate all matter within it, not only would it produce its own light, it should locally dilate time.

                        If you are internally moving at the speed of light, time should stop for you.
                        Which means one day for you...would be one second for everyone else.
                        If you could travel to the closest solar system going 1x the speed of light, it would take you 15 years to get there but only 4 days would have passed for everyone else.

                        If you can become inter-dimensional, theoretically you could drop out of this space-time, go further faster, and shift back into this space time at a distant location instantly.

                        Personally, I think in order to break the speed of light, you would have to become inter-dimensional. I don't think you could reduce the mass of an object even to zero and still travel faster than light which has no mass, in a linear fashion.

                        I visualize dimensions like wheel cogs. Bigger wheels that move slower below us, smaller wheels that move faster above us. Like stations on a radio, you tune yourself until you reach one station or the next. The dimension above us, time/space/speed would go faster for them but slower for us. ect.

                        All in theory of course.




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                        • #27
                          People with power never have any interest in helping those without it.
                          That is the nature of life.

                          Most people get to sit in their air conditioned homes watching cable tv while their clothes are being washed and dried by their appliances.

                          Meanwhile, many people in the "third world", have to sit by the closest river and wash their clothes by hand in the humid heat, as they starve.
                          What are any of us doing to help them? Nothing. Do any of us care? Not really.
                          We take what we are given and say "oh well" to those who were born with less.

                          Advanced technology...is no different. No one has plans to give us access to it.

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                          • #28
                            Time for other help

                            Here are technological things taught to us from scripture:

                            "And there are many kingdoms; for there is no space in the which there is no kingdom; and there is no kingdom in which there is no space, either a greater or a lesser kingdom."
                            (bubble universe)

                            "4 And the Lord said unto me, by the Urim and Thummim, that Kolob was after the manner of the Lord, according to its times and seasons in the revolutions thereof; that one revolution was a day unto the Lord, after his manner of reckoning, it being one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest. This is the reckoning of the Lord’s time, according to the reckoning of Kolob.
                            5 And the Lord said unto me: The planet which is the lesser light, lesser than that which is to rule the day, even the night, is above or greater than that upon which thou standest in point of reckoning, for it moveth in order more slow; this is in order because it standeth above the earth upon which thou standest, therefore the reckoning of its time is not so many as to its number of days, and of months, and of years.
                            6 And the Lord said unto me: Now, Abraham, these two facts exist, behold thine eyes see it; it is given unto thee to know the times of reckoning, and the set time, yea, the set time of the earth upon which thou standest, and the set time of the greater light which is set to rule the day, and the set time of the lesser light which is set to rule the night.
                            7 Now the set time of the lesser light is a longer time as to its reckoning than the reckoning of the time of the earth upon which thou standest.
                            8 And where these two facts exist, there shall be another fact above them, that is, there shall be another planet whose reckoning of time shall be longer still;
                            9 And thus there shall be the reckoning of the time of one planet above another, until thou come nigh unto Kolob, which Kolob is after the reckoning of the Lord’s time...."
                            (time dilation)

                            "24 And as they looked to behold they cast their eyes towards heaven, and they saw the heavens open, and they saw angels descending out of heaven as it were in the midst of fire; and they came down and encircled those little ones about, and they were encircled about with fire; and the angels did minister unto them."
                            (worm holes)

                            Echo. You indicated that we do not feed those in need. I disagree. Giving donations to worthy causes is one way to do this. Some people fast and give money saved from not eating to such causes.

                            Echo. You also indicated that those with advanced technology have no interest in giving that to us. I beg to differ.
                            "How long can rolling waters remain impure? What power shall stay the heavens? As well might man stretch forth his puny arm to stop the Missouri river in its decreed course, or to turn it up stream, as to hinder the Almighty from pouring down knowledge from heaven...."

                            Whether or not you believe in aliens does not affect/effect truth. I don't know whether there are aliens. I do believe that there are other worlds with other people on them:
                            "And worlds without number have I created; and I also created them for mine own purpose; and by the Son I created them, which is mine Only Begotten.
                            And the first man of all men have I called Adam, which is many.
                            But only an account of this earth, and the inhabitants thereof, give I unto you. For behold, there are many worlds that have passed away by the word of my power. And there are many that now stand, and innumerable are they unto man; but all things are numbered unto me, for they are mine and I know them."

                            It's Sunday when I wrote this and my thoughts turn to God. We hope that we can build a device that will produce more energy than it consumes and that we can use that energy for good (freezers of ice cream!). So we read and we experiment and read and experiment some more.

                            If there is a god (higher intelligence, aliens, etc.) who has the answer to this quest, why not "...Ask of God; ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you."
                            However: "Remember that without faith you can do nothing; therefore ask in faith. Trifle not with these things; do not ask for that which you ought not."
                            "Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts."

                            It appears that faith is a requirement to receive answers and god ((higher intelligence, aliens, etc.) will not give us everything. "For he will give unto the faithful line upon line, precept upon precept; and I will try you and prove you herewith."

                            We need to ask of god (higher intelligence, aliens, etc.). We need to be fasting (no food or drink for a period of time - usually 24 hours). We need to be united.

                            To this end, I propose that this next Sunday August 2, 2015, we put up a prayer or petition to god (higher intelligence, aliens, etc.) while we are fasting that one of us receive direction, inspiration, revelation, etc. to help us build a device that will be useful to all of use in that it produces more energy than it uses and such surplus can be tapped for useful work.

                            I will stop here. I will commit to lending my faith on that day.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by wsxian2 View Post
                              Here are technological things taught to us from scripture:

                              "And there are many kingdoms; for there is no space in the which there is no kingdom; and there is no kingdom in which there is no space, either a greater or a lesser kingdom."
                              (bubble universe)

                              "4 And the Lord said unto me, by the Urim and Thummim, that Kolob was after the manner of the Lord,


                              I will stop here. I will commit to lending my faith on that day.

                              Funny video Mormon Vs Muslim similarities, no not true scripture sorry boys.



                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYrBKFotN6Q


                              https://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/abr/3.4?lang=eng



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                              • #30
                                Not only do people see the UFO lights in the sky, they

                                see them go under water. This is old news but very cool.


                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WbWdmgoazQ







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