Single Wire Power - A Search for Ambient Power to do Wwork

[Sputins]

I pretty much run my home on wind and solar, eventually it will make it to my shop. I'd like to find some good solutions to heating water as well as area heating.

So we continue to search for quality solutions...

Evacuated Tube Collectors
Closest to the original "Sydney-tube" design: Solar Hot Water Systems | Solar Heating | Apricus Australia
There are other cheaper knock-off brands using the same concept.
Evacuated Tube Collectors are mentioned within this talk:http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...bled-soul.html

[Ernst]

delayed post due to network problems

For some reason I can not post.

trying... part 1
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If you only read the Tesla-quote that dR-Green just provided, you may draw the wrong conclusions about Tesla's work. The problem is that we have access to all of his work which was covers a long period of time, during which Tesla's ideas evolved.
In "the problem of increasing human energy" Tesla describes this process. He points out there are three ways of obtaining energy:
1 - burning fuel
2 - transporting it through the medium from where it is easily obtained
3 - obtaining it directly from the medium
The first option can never provide the perfect solution, so he only looks at the remaining two options. Then he says:

Long ago I came to this conclusion, and to arrive at this result only two ways, as before indicated, appeared possible—either to turn to use the energy of the sun stored in the ambient medium, or to transmit, through the medium, the sun's energy to distant places from some locality where it was obtainable without consumption of material. At that time I at once rejected the latter method as entirely impracticable, and turned to examine the possibilities of the former.

Read it carefully; at that time he thought energy could not be transmitted through the medium. But something changed his mind. He writes about that event in a number of places, but let's look at this one 1904-03-05; “The Transmission of Electrical Energy Without Wires”

It was on the third of July—the date I shall never forget—when I obtained the first decisive experimental evidence of a truth of overwhelming importance for the advancement of humanity. A dense mass of strongly charged clouds gathered in the west and towards the evening a violent storm broke loose which, after spending much of its fury in the mountains, was driven away with great velocity over the plains. Heavy and long persisting arcs formed almost in regular time intervals. My observations were now greatly facilitated and rendered more accurate by the experiences already gained. I was able to handle my instruments quickly and I was prepared. The recording apparatus being properly adjusted, its indications became fainter and fainter with the increasing distance of the storm, until they ceased altogether. I was watching in eager expectation. Surely enough, in a little while the indications again began, grew stronger and stronger and, after passing through a maximum, gradually decreased and ceased once more. Many times, in regularly recurring intervals, the same actions were repeated until the storm which, as evident from simple computations, was moving with nearly constant speed, had retreated to a distance of about three hundred kilometres. Nor did these strange actions stop then, but continued to manifest themselves with undiminished force. Subsequently, similar observations were also made by my assistant, Mr. Fritz Lowenstein, and shortly afterwards several admirable opportunities presented themselves which brought out, still more forcibly, and unmistakably, the true nature of the wonderful phenomenon. No doubt, whatever remained: I was observing stationary waves.
As the source of disturbances moved away the receiving circuit came successively upon their nodes and loops. Impossible as it seemed, this planet, despite its vast extent, behaved like a conductor of limited dimensions. The tremendous significance of this fact in the transmission of energy by my system had already become quite clear to me. Not only was it practicable to send telegraphic messages to any distance without wires, as I recognized long ago, but also to impress upon the entire globe the faint modulations of the human voice, far more still, to transmit power, in unlimited amounts, to any terrestrial distance and almost without loss.

So he went to Colorado Springs to find means to obtain energy directly from the medium, but in doing so he found he could use the Earth as a transmission line.
This conclusion is supported by this quote from November 30th, 1898 “Tesla Describes his Efforts in Various Fields of Work”:

In assailing the problem I found two possible ways of solving it. Either power was to be developed on the spot by converting the energy of the sun's radiations or the energy of vast reservoirs was to be transmitted economically to any distance. Though there were other possible sources of economical power, only the two solutions mentioned offer the ideal feature of power being obtained without any consumption of material. After long thought I finally arrived at two solutions, but on the first of these, namely, that referring to the development of power in any locality from the sun's radiations, I can not dwell at present.

Here he says exactly the same as in the first quote, but he finishes differently: he is not allowed ? to talk on the subject of obtaining power from the medium, so he continues to talk about transmission, as he does in all his work where he refers to his Colorado Springs experiments.

[Ernst]

the remainder

Again in his autobiography from 1919:

This would be the most efficient way of harnessing the sun to the uses of man. The consummation depended on our ability to develop electric forces of the order of those in nature. It seemed a hopeless undertaking, but I made up my mind to try it and immediately on my return to the United States, in the Summer of 1892, work was begun which was to me all the more attractive, because a means of the same kind was necessary for the successful transmission of energy without wires.

we read again how these two goals are connected. There are two more quotes that I would like to add, but I can not find them so quickly. They show that first Tesla believed that nothing could ever compete with hydro-electric power and the wireless transmission of this power, but later (around 1930) he states that nothing, not even hydro-electric power, can compete with his perfected method of obtaining power directly from the medium.

For what it is worth,... my two euro-cents.


Ernst.


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When posting takes more than 3 hours.... it does get a bit discouraging.

[mikrovolt]

As a reminder that the law of conservation can be used to an advantage.
The disappearance of waves possibly seen as opportunistic can happen when two
sources emit waves that are 180 degrees out of phase. Since models started with water tanks
we need to translate these patterns to space such as placing two speakers and
discovering the space also regions that are loud and others that are quiet.
Because energy reception varies the AVplug can help locate those positions.

In this video basic wave interference is mapped from a physics aspect.
It is for fast learners to become familiar how to map wave tank study
but can be applied to other disciplines used in Alt-Energy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N5Y9PVxHLY

With audio we could build an active noise canceling headphone by putting
small microphones in headset and reproduce those unwanted signals 180 out of phase.

With energy as in a one wire transmission of UWB one method we could destruct harmonics
and steer them into a region so they can construct. I have seen these through experiments they can
increase the power at another frequency it can be adjusted while viewing a spec analyzer.

The ambient in another case are waves that are filtered out recycled in close proximity to
the energy's frequency bandwidth. The idea with this is that you can filter the wave rectify it
and store that energy in a capacitor which can be a magnifying amplifier or the energy could be
sent to the earthworms.

[Duncan]

drgreen ..Than you for posting the dollard parts of it made a deal of sense to me.
Dave.. I too have no quarrel with the power company and I didn't suggest you did, only that the power company might not like or agree with the idea of 'energy from fresh air'.
I'm not sure if your being intentionally obtuse, do not understand the sarcastic twist of English humour or simply don't consider what you read.
All that aside take my word for it there was no connection meant to your particular power company or your particular bill or whether you pay it or not .. who gives a toss?
As for any content I choose to write who made you the censor ? If there's something I've written you find incorrect feel free to correct it I'm always happy to learn and like anyone else I can also go astray. There are also things in the topic area that I might wish folks to consider perhaps because I don't fully understand them myself and would like advice . Such is the case with the electrical definitions of overtones and harmonics.
Bobs been researching 'free energy' and particularly the medical connections for a long time, Its his thread and if he considers anything I might write here a disturbance as opposed to simply disagreeing with it, then understand I would exit stage left immediately.

In the mean time whilst Its totally against the way I would like to see this topic to run personally
here is a wealth of information on the topic. Enough for everyone to chase their own tails for a long time in the time honoured and usual fashion. Twas ever so! Its made available courtesy of members lamare (source) and StevanC (relay)
Aether Theories - Collation of Modern Scientific Theories of the Ancient Aether
There again Steven points out there is this by Dr Russell Moon ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDbsRv0dEb4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-GYneTcnN0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmNJNqjl_U

Being a simple soul I prefer to start with something that works as I pointed out earlier. Given that it works I assume it can be made better.
However complex the maths and however clever half baked theory might seem if it can't charge my battery I'm not inclined to embrace it. In simple terms Whilst I might snuffle around the entrance of the rabbit hole I try very hard to avoid going into the warren. I've engaged on too many threads which go that way to bedlam haven't you?
I've even with good intention started one or two .. as we don't have a viable answer yet couldn't that alas be said of every thread to a greater or lesser degree? I recon this thread could well be the exception

[DavidE]

Duncan

DavidE whilst I agree with you and I suspect a lot of folks reading here might also, my power utility company has very different entrenched idea's. My power utility company has like minded 'friends' They form quite a gang .. the bullies in the playground in fact. All of us research 'free energy' for different reasons help the planet, get rich,be superior or perhaps something quite sub-conscious.

Forums are marvelous intelligence mechanisms. Humans are very easy to trigger into pontificating as to their intent.

If I wish to join with others to learn about a field of science, inherent in that learning does not always include an expressed purpose to cause harm to another.

No energy is free. All energy originates in the ambient. Its just a matter of how deep one looks as to origins. While I can understand why a monopoly would not want the truth to be known - I will never be in the power business.

The note in your post was like..."if you go out in the rain, you will get wet." I accept, but that is a given, it needs not be discussed in any length.

One of the reasons this energy quest has gone on so long is the amount of chaff that is spewed in the midst of focused research. It gets to the point that everything goes to beige. Then the body and mind fatigues, with a loss of focus, there is a loss of meaning.

We each have a responsibility to hold the focus or are at fault by contributing to the beige. Since I don't know you I can only reflect based on what you offer here on the forum.

For me these exchanges are never about the personalities, just about the work. The discipline that will allow for a staged process to be developed and utilized to an outcome of our choice.

Bob Smith's command of multiple disciplines and knowledge of inventors is masterful. I say let's help him to fill in the gaps of unknown, with experimental evidence that may open new doors.

[lotec]

The down pouring aether was automatically shunted to side circuits through capacitors. In these side branches, aether pulsed through dielectrics and expanded over the surfaces of his smaller coils.

Im not sure why that jumped out of the screen at me.

Do not ambient want to get in and make neutral any disturbance, from a leaky seal on a bicycle pump to an over juiced Tesla coil?

Can it be coaxed into doing useful work while trying to do so?

How cheaply can the disturbance be set up? Tesla claimed some good ones.

I wasnt sure semiconductors were intended to be used that way. I dont think they were even trying.

[Ufopolitics]

I was asked once,

“You’re a smart man. Why aren’t you rich?”

I replied,

“You’re a rich man. Why aren’t you smart?”

Jacques Fresco (Architect,The Venus Project)

P.S. How do you propose to run the motor?

First, before answering that question (which I find it ridiculous, if you would really know how magnetism works)

But you don't...

Unfortunately magnetism has not being developed any further than all the simple, but wrong data obtained since Induction was ever discovered back in 1831 by Faraday...no matter how much new tech is around to see the real magnetic spectrum.

Tesla says himself that the only known alternative to consuming fuels is in waterfalls, tides, wind, solar. Search for alternatives all you like, but why deliberately ignore and sidestep the most obvious and simple solutions in the meantime as if they were never mentioned or don't exist? What's the problem with using a waterfall to turn a generator that the subject must immediately be diverted from?

If in order to generate energy, we are to be completely bound, dependent upon our 'Geographical Conditions', then that would radically set our expectations to a handicap mode, and very limited probabilities...still the ones living in a "suitable area" could have "domain/superiority" over those living in harsh/non "suitable" environments where possibilities are null, zero...a money value (a "Meter" like J.P Morgan said) would then be imposed to "wireless energy transmission" to this "poor" environments...We fall into the same exact thing, "Energy Control", but with different mediums, different technologies.

Remember that...If You create your own Energy, in any place, anywhere, not dependent of the weather or any specific geographic location...You establish Your own Politics, period.

Why not search for possible human errors in all those discoveries, inventions and statements from this great people?

Why consider they were "perfect" when we know no one is?

Must people think it is "ok the way we are" by now...and that is the wrong attitude, it is submissive, it is abiding whatever is to 'let it be"...it is not scientific, it is not thriving...it is not evolution of our kind at all.

Discoveries, Inventions, Research and Development is completely opposite to that way of thinking.


Ufopolitics

[DavidE]

UFOpolitics

Remember that...If You create your own Energy, in any place, anywhere, not dependent of the weather or any specific geographic location...You establish Your own Politics, period.

That is a stunning statement. So much so that I am without words... Wow, wow, just wow...

[bistander]

Create energy?

Remember that...If You create your own Energy, in any place, anywhere, not dependent of the weather or any specific geographic location...You establish Your own Politics, period.
Ufopolitics

That is a stunning statement. So much so that I am without words... Wow, wow, just wow...

Hi DavidE,

I noticed that statement also.

I think that pretty much answers dR-Green's question:

How do you propose to run the motor?

bi

[dR-Green]

I think that pretty much answers dR-Green's question:

Mine was a practical and technical question. An answer to that would be something like "a solar panel", or "a battery" and such tangible things that an engineer can actually use to make the machine work. It wasn't a philosophical or rhetorical question I'm afraid.

[bistander]

Mine was a practical and technical question. An answer to that would be something like "a solar panel", or "a battery" and such tangible things that an engineer can actually use to make the machine work. It wasn't a philosophical or rhetorical question I'm afraid.

I too would like such an answer from Ufopolitics, but don't expect to see one.

[DavidE]

dR-Green

Your response is way to reasonable, the rest of us were knocked off our feet by the implications of his assertion.

But I would bet in the future, far more will be far less political - because it is a broken model. Today the moment you say the word Politics - the next word is distrust.

[dR-Green]

dR-Green

Your response is way to reasonable, the rest of us were knocked off our feet by the implications of his assertion.

But I would bet in the future, far more will be far less political - because it is a broken model. Today the moment you say the word Politics - the next word is distrust.

I've thought about such things myself so I'm not too interested in hearing more. It doesn't power any lights and it's not an answer to a technical question so it's not a solution no matter how philosophically accurate it may be.

[dR-Green]

If in order to generate energy, we are to be completely bound, dependent upon our 'Geographical Conditions', then that would radically set our expectations to a handicap mode, and very limited probabilities...still the ones living in a "suitable area" could have "domain/superiority" over those living in harsh/non "suitable" environments where possibilities are null, zero...a money value (a "Meter" like J.P Morgan said) would then be imposed to "wireless energy transmission" to this "poor" environments...We fall into the same exact thing, "Energy Control", but with different mediums, different technologies.

Yes that's true, but that problem is hardly confined to the energy field. That's the human condition. A lot more besides having no electric bills or buying energy from another country needs to change if we are to get around that nonsense. Unless you claim the entire planet then someone else has always got something you want but don't have, so the situation is always the same. There's no use waiting for that to change so you have to work with what you've got in the meantime.