Basic Free Energy Device

[Wistiti]

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Ok guys you have me in!
I have build a quick setup with what i have under hand (little bat, little motor, little generator, 12 to 24 dc dc converter) and this dirty setup is at less really really surprising!!!
For sure i will go bigger!
Thank you again for sharing it with us!!!

[Peter Lindemann]

The Future of this Thread in the Balance

OK Everybody,

Matt has just outlined for you, again, the fundamentals of what has been given on this thread already. It's an astonishing, new discovery that can be used to make any circuit perform at a higher level of efficiency. And Matt has gifted it to the world!!! Making a "self-running machine" with this is easier now than ever.

If you are NOT building a machine that takes advantage of these principles, PLEASE do NOT post to this thread. Period. In the very first post, Dave stipulated that this was to be a "builders forum" and that builders that showed their work would receive help.

Nothing has changed, except the fact the the thread has been over-run with disrupters, some of whom openly claim to be uninterested in this topic, have no intention of building it, but insist on continuing to post here anyway.

If any of the people in the disrupter class post here even one more time, the thread should be locked and archived, because rightly so, Matt and Dave probably won't come back.

Peter

[wantomake]

Booster is here!!!!

Thanks Matt,
The dc to dc booster got here yesterday. Started today on the setup. Still have the modified motor, wiring, and some marine batteries to use.

I setup one primary and one charge battery each just to get some where to start with the boost module in place. The primary would lose a 10th of a volt per hour, but the charge battery top out at 13.8 vdc and slowly increased.

So now I see it and surprised to see the results. So will place two batts in serial and two in parallel to see the magic.

No questions at this point. I'll digest your last post as I build. I learn and advance that way. Don't have any smaller size generator to add as yet. Mine are wind alternator types or larger. Will open that chapter later.

Will post pictures or video if would help anyone, but so far just 3BGS 101 build.
wantomake

[jettis]

So that said let me just go through what we have given you.

People fail to understand the 3 battery setup the way we have laid it out.
You have to batteries in serial (and for simplicity) they equal 24 volt. The third battery at 12 volt is wired parallel. Between the hots is the load.
Now you can be very efficient by running the load and rotating the batteries as John Bedini outlined along time ago, but you can actually start charging the system if you put in a regulator.

A simple or complex boost circuit to maintain a steady voltage at the point of a load. This boost circuit can maintain a 14.5 volt voltage on the load even if the difference between the serial batteries is as low as 7 volt. First you loose nothing from the boost circuit because all switching, that would normally cost you now switched to the 3rd battery which catches everything normally goes to ground. PLUS you get The boost side is now drained into the third battery after the load. Now if the load doesn't knock down the power to much you get another effect, this is the magic. So read closely.

DC is a LOOP!!

Everything that happens on the positive side happens on the negative side in reverse. You charge a battery 2 ways. The charge in the battery is only the voltage difference between the 2 poles, ZERO (gnd) and POSITIVE (12vdc).

So you have load powered at 14.5 vdc. The power coming out of the load is in serial with the charge battery. 12vdc + 14.2vdc (After the load) = 26.2 volt. If the top serial bank is at 24 volt now you a get a 2.2 volt charge on the ground side into the top batteries.

Your not discharging on the ground side so charging and discharging can happen in the same stroke. You have widened the potential on the top bank of batteries momentarily. At the same time you have asked for more power on the positive side.

Now you batteries sit at idle while charging the bottom battery or holding it at 14.5 +-.

Think about for bit. Think about a loop of serial and parallel action that can happen and how to make that happen. Charging on the ground side and discharging on the positive at the same time.

Now we spoke somewhere along the line. This is the only logical way of looking at 3 batteries in this system when they are running loads for long periods of time seemingly not loosing any power. Motors by themselves will not do it. You must use a boost regulator. Your potential between the poles must be higher than the pole on the 3rd battery and the 2 must be higher than the combination of the serial batteries on top.

So I can't remember which thread I put it in maybe this one, definitely links in this one, but I gave a you simple low cost motor.
This motor had NO BEMF, or CEMF. The winding resistance calculated with the voltage gave an amp draw that was with 5% of the math. Thats means nothing could be in the way. The bearings were what kept it at its speed.
This motor accomplished this by shorting out the coil just before load. But that only happens if you use a normal battery or power supply.
On the 3 battery setup every watt that is put in will come out and it come out at pretty high potential. High enough to achieve the above requirements. Self timed as well. No need for switching or lavish timing. SIMPLE!!!

No one put the 2 together though..Your loss.

So now like David always says hook it to a generator and you excess energy. Create a potential difference at some point in the system and you can do more work for even longer.

Want a generator that accelerates use Thane Heinz stuff. Or watch Gotoluc's video on hysteresis and how accelerating coils are waist of time. Well that is if its costing you to turn the gen. Or maybe even hunt down Erfinder and beat him till he gives the info on how to lower the impedance of a generator coil by pulling bigger loads.

Better yet spend a couple of years developing a MASS to IMPEDANCE formula for accelerating coil OF ANY TYPE OR MATERIAL including air, and do it the right way. Reverse lenz's law and have it actually work for you.

I don't care what you do...Just don't ask me for help, unless of course your really trying.

Matt

Matt thank you and any others working with you and Dave for sharing this discovery... I am sure it will get a few more serious people working on this...

Dave Wing

[Wistiti]

generator...

Hi guys!
I Wonder if someone have try this as generating electrical output?...


It is from the PJKbook...

[Wistiti]

So that said let me just go through what we have given you.

People fail to understand the 3 battery setup the way we have laid it out.
You have to batteries in serial (and for simplicity) they equal 24 volt. The third battery at 12 volt is wired parallel. Between the hots is the load.
Now you can be very efficient by running the load and rotating the batteries as John Bedini outlined along time ago, but you can actually start charging the system if you put in a regulator.

A simple or complex boost circuit to maintain a steady voltage at the point of a load. This boost circuit can maintain a 14.5 volt voltage on the load even if the difference between the serial batteries is as low as 7 volt. First you loose nothing from the boost circuit because all switching, that would normally cost you now switched to the 3rd battery which catches everything normally goes to ground. PLUS you get The boost side is now drained into the third battery after the load. Now if the load doesn't knock down the power to much you get another effect, this is the magic. So read closely.

DC is a LOOP!!

Everything that happens on the positive side happens on the negative side in reverse. You charge a battery 2 ways. The charge in the battery is only the voltage difference between the 2 poles, ZERO (gnd) and POSITIVE (12vdc).

So you have load powered at 14.5 vdc. The power coming out of the load is in serial with the charge battery. 12vdc + 14.2vdc (After the load) = 26.2 volt. If the top serial bank is at 24 volt now you a get a 2.2 volt charge on the ground side into the top batteries.

Your not discharging on the ground side so charging and discharging can happen in the same stroke. You have widened the potential on the top bank of batteries momentarily. At the same time you have asked for more power on the positive side.

Now you batteries sit at idle while charging the bottom battery or holding it at 14.5 +-.

Think about for bit. Think about a loop of serial and parallel action that can happen and how to make that happen. Charging on the ground side and discharging on the positive at the same time.

Now we spoke somewhere along the line. This is the only logical way of looking at 3 batteries in this system when they are running loads for long periods of time seemingly not loosing any power. Motors by themselves will not do it. You must use a boost regulator. Your potential between the poles must be higher than the pole on the 3rd battery and the 2 must be higher than the combination of the serial batteries on top.

So I can't remember which thread I put it in maybe this one, definitely links in this one, but I gave a you simple low cost motor.
This motor had NO BEMF, or CEMF. The winding resistance calculated with the voltage gave an amp draw that was with 5% of the math. Thats means nothing could be in the way. The bearings were what kept it at its speed.
This motor accomplished this by shorting out the coil just before load. But that only happens if you use a normal battery or power supply.
On the 3 battery setup every watt that is put in will come out and it come out at pretty high potential. High enough to achieve the above requirements. Self timed as well. No need for switching or lavish timing. SIMPLE!!!

No one put the 2 together though..Your loss.

So now like David always says hook it to a generator and you excess energy. Create a potential difference at some point in the system and you can do more work for even longer.

Want a generator that accelerates use Thane Heinz stuff. Or watch Gotoluc's video on hysteresis and how accelerating coils are waist of time. Well that is if its costing you to turn the gen. Or maybe even hunt down Erfinder and beat him till he gives the info on how to lower the impedance of a generator coil by pulling bigger loads.

Better yet spend a couple of years developing a MASS to IMPEDANCE formula for accelerating coil OF ANY TYPE OR MATERIAL including air, and do it the right way. Reverse lenz's law and have it actually work for you.

I don't care what you do...Just don't ask me for help, unless of course your really trying.

Matt

Thank you Matt!
Again it is clear!!!

[Matthew Jones]

So that said let me just go through what we have given you.

People fail to understand the 3 battery setup the way we have laid it out.
You have to batteries in serial (and for simplicity) they equal 24 volt. The third battery at 12 volt is wired parallel. Between the hots is the load.
Now you can be very efficient by running the load and rotating the batteries as John Bedini outlined along time ago, but you can actually start charging the system if you put in a regulator.

A simple or complex boost circuit to maintain a steady voltage at the point of a load. This boost circuit can maintain a 14.5 volt voltage on the load even if the difference between the serial batteries is as low as 7 volt. First you loose nothing from the boost circuit because all switching, that would normally cost you now switched to the 3rd battery which catches everything normally goes to ground. PLUS you get The boost side is now drained into the third battery after the load. Now if the load doesn't knock down the power to much you get another effect, this is the magic. So read closely.

DC is a LOOP!!

Everything that happens on the positive side happens on the negative side in reverse. You charge a battery 2 ways. The charge in the battery is only the voltage difference between the 2 poles, ZERO (gnd) and POSITIVE (12vdc).

So you have load powered at 14.5 vdc. The power coming out of the load is in serial with the charge battery. 12vdc + 14.2vdc (After the load) = 26.2 volt. If the top serial bank is at 24 volt now you a get a 2.2 volt charge on the ground side into the top batteries.

Your not discharging on the ground side so charging and discharging can happen in the same stroke. You have widened the potential on the top bank of batteries momentarily. At the same time you have asked for more power on the positive side.

Now you batteries sit at idle while charging the bottom battery or holding it at 14.5 +-.

Think about for bit. Think about a loop of serial and parallel action that can happen and how to make that happen. Charging on the ground side and discharging on the positive at the same time.

Now we spoke somewhere along the line. This is the only logical way of looking at 3 batteries in this system when they are running loads for long periods of time seemingly not loosing any power. Motors by themselves will not do it. You must use a boost regulator. Your potential between the poles must be higher than the pole on the 3rd battery and the 2 must be higher than the combination of the serial batteries on top.

So I can't remember which thread I put it in maybe this one, definitely links in this one, but I gave a you simple low cost motor.
This motor had NO BEMF, or CEMF. The winding resistance calculated with the voltage gave an amp draw that was with 5% of the math. Thats means nothing could be in the way. The bearings were what kept it at its speed.
This motor accomplished this by shorting out the coil just before load. But that only happens if you use a normal battery or power supply.
On the 3 battery setup every watt that is put in will come out and it come out at pretty high potential. High enough to achieve the above requirements. Self timed as well. No need for switching or lavish timing. SIMPLE!!!

No one put the 2 together though..Your loss.

So now like David always says hook it to a generator and you excess energy. Create a potential difference at some point in the system and you can do more work for even longer.

Want a generator that accelerates use Thane Heinz stuff. Or watch Gotoluc's video on hysteresis and how accelerating coils are waist of time. Well that is if its costing you to turn the gen. Or maybe even hunt down Erfinder and beat him till he gives the info on how to lower the impedance of a generator coil by pulling bigger loads.

Better yet spend a couple of years developing a MASS to IMPEDANCE formula for accelerating coil OF ANY TYPE OR MATERIAL including air, and do it the right way. Reverse lenz's law and have it actually work for you.

I don't care what you do...Just don't ask me for help, unless of course your really trying.

Matt

[Matthew Jones]

I put BroMikey on my ignore list along time ago. Tried to help the goof and he acted like I had no business telling him anything. He tried to steal the credit for some diagrams I posted to help him. Called me drunk and drug addict, but he's not alone in that tired old accusation.

Even acknowledging him is a complete waist of time, and I have come to the conclusion he's not alone, good number ya'll fall right in suit.

This thread should be locked, Peter is right. There is good info here if you can piece it together through the ramblings of the do nothing idiots.

Matt

[erfinder]

Erfinder,

You beat me to post, I'm not sure who bro Mikey was talking to, thought it was me,
Or maybe he was responding to these nice pleasant quotes,

Doesn't really matter who he was talking to...I replied to his post....period...how he takes it is his business. I'm thinking, he will be offended....again...his business. He does work, I have seen him throw things together, draw and present schematics of his thrown together apparatus. But his strengths overpower that which would otherwise be considered as acceptable. His true talent and or strength is seen in his madd hatter commentary, cheerleading, and posting of other peoples work, more often than not, the latter is carried out without any cooperation with the person who did the damn work! The one who carried out the work he posts is usually posting in the same thread, he doesn't ask them if he should post their work, he just vomits. Disgusting behavior, but typical of a sausage.....


Regards

[machinealive]

Erfinder,

You beat me to post, I'm not sure who bro Mikey was talking to, thought it was me,
Or maybe he was responding to these nice pleasant quotes,

Boxes build nothing. Wolfs attack the weak. Oil and fossil fuel is weak. If you have something give it away, sell it, or stew in your own $hit. Thats the word of the day brothers and sisters.

The rest is just babble...and never to be heard from again.

Matt

No one forbade you, we just asked you to show your work. And the moron couldn't. So we are to blame because you want all detail exposed with no work and no financial support. Support anyone you want, but show your work or shut the f**k up.

Cheers
Matt

Or the one I really appreciated...the one that made me decide to tell Matt exactly how I felt.

I really hate it when David starts these things although I truly love David, the rest of ya'll are worthless. Sickening give me's.... My stomach turns, the worthless moan and on to convention we go!!!


I'm going away now, F**king pukes sicken me. But no one cares anyway.

Matt

Well, I tend to speak to people how they speak to me, and I found that I was being spoken to with little respect, so, that's how I will respond.

But you know what, here was my post I pulled. Once again I am posting this simply in the hopes that it will inspire someone, maybe even you bro, to do some work for yourself...instead of talking, so much.
And, by the way, I never planned to copy, paste, or build any of Matt or Daves stuff,
I build my own ****, and I've also spent thousands..
I just wanted to see their measurements. That's all.

Hello Matt and Turion, I hope you don't mind me posting here, I'll delete these videos if you feel they don't belong, just say the word. I made these quite a while ago for a Yahoo group. I'm only posting them here in the hopes someone out there will find them useful, or maybe just inspirational, and to let you guys know your not alone, there are builders out there.

They aren't really great videos, I know, but at the time I wasn't trying to quantify anything, or prove anything, just having fun, I like building things more then taking notes, , if I had more time I would update them, but you know, time is scarce.

https://youtu.be/CUNHmZDQZis

https://youtu.be/KvqmiKemKwY

You folks on the sidelines, really, you gotta start building something, you have to start building something, it's amazing how things progress, once you start.

Matt, I also would really would love to see that machine break the 800 watt with 120 watts in, but I do understand your not posting it, no one owes anyone else a damn thing.

And lastly, here is a video, a song, some of my fellow Nova Scotians wrote. I love these guys, great band, maybe it will also inspire people to work together, maybe it's not too late,... But it's getting damn close, damn close.

https://youtu.be/bKJ8lszyj1w

Cheers

Finally,


And bromikey,
Remember to be careful, cause I think that if Dave or Matt flex their spincter's,
You may not ever get that nose, unstuck.

[erfinder]

You are welcome Ron

The pictures are from back in the thread. I am charging batteries
and like I said will make the first step coming up in the future.
But let me use you as a way to help others to see what Dave
and others face. And yes Dave and others have done alot of
good info and many threads.

This message is not for you Ron.

People have repeatedly come to Dave insulting, belittling
him (and other) calling him a liar for holding back information that
doesn't even exist. Talking down in a condescending format and
demanding complete friendship status all in the same breath.

I for one am so beside myself with the way these people treat
science as a religion and it becomes a war about how we as science
worshipers somehow owe it to one another to give away free stuff.

All men deserve to be loved and part of that is respect, devotion
is another dirty word here, like love, but it all the same thing, zero.

Kindness and equality are far from the minds of those attacking
on the basis of a force fed brand of science devotion.

I have come to a new conclusion tonight that those who are
speaking out of turn who have come to this thread to change
and criticize the leaders have a mental illness called hate.

This bitter cup of hate pours out on to anyone it can contaminate
it ignores the requests of the form leaders who have shown an
honest desire to stimulate experimentation with basic tests.

They have come against the man's integrity. Did you hear me?
You have to be crazy to do that and demand kinship.

Is everyone hearing me? The man's integrity is his own and you
come against that you have dug yourself a hole you won't get
out of. And still they ask for favors, they ask for the open hand
they ask to be heard when they are not hearing the person
who has the floor?

They challenge the giver at every turn and the giver responds
to the best of his ability to help others to see he still wants
to help in his way while rejecting the continual insults.

Come on, these are not men of integrity in anyway, that is the
attitude of a blood sucker. How dare you spew your demands
over top of name calling based out of your childlike selfish
disorder and expect men of integrity to allow that to just roll
off our backs.

Once offended (And you have done a good job of that) you will
never be permitted back into that man's good grace.

This discourse shows a marked difference in people, a man
who puts out his hand only to have it cut off will begin to
get the picture.

Once you cross the line it is over. And still the man with no integrity
continues his defiant behavior pattern because he knows nothing
else. He is not careful, he is a pig at heart.

That stinks. But you can't shame the pig nature, all you can
do with a pig nature is beat it with a whip to keep it at bay.

Not someone who can forward this technology. They are
incapable of the most basic rules of fairness in communication.
Not high flyers at all. Big zeros.

Oh and you want to know the funny thing about this pattern?
The guys who chime in with their little slams and slights would
never think I was talking to them.



PS you guys know what I am talking about and this message
will shortly be deleted after it hits the intended target.

No sense breaking down your post into small quotes, way too much nonsense to respond to. You continue to post whatever you like and direct such at whomever you like. Pages of negative commentary from you will not alter the fact that your role in the community can be summed up as follows:

• Self appointed public relations for all whose effort stimulates your cell into copy past mode. This assumes that your self preservation mode wasn't activated first, in which case, you become the self appointed protector of that which you copy and paste.

Look back at your most recent contribution to the forum.......you plastered full screen images of work no one asked you for, images of work you have yet to, and likely never will comprehend. You then proceed to cheerlead, and or praise the presenter(s) like you really get what they are talking about. The forum holds a minimum of three concrete examples of you bouncing between caravans, and each time following the same plastering of videos, and photos of work you don't get....

I really don't want to engage you, you have made up your mind about me, and I have very little hope for you. I am certain that true to your style, you will be insulted by this post, and will drag the thread down into oblivion, you can have that exchange by yourself, once I post this you go right back in the (pig pin) ignore list, where your primitive kind, those who lack the capacity to differentiate between food and s**t belong. I find that your posts make more sense when I ignore them.

I am for progress, I am not here to bash, nor convert Dave, and he knows that, and if he doesn't he should do a little soul searching. If you had an additional cell which could be dedicated to something other than brown nosing, you would know that the point I make is simple. Batteries as they are presented now, are a waste of time, mine, I am only speaking for myself, and voicing this opinion here, because I feel I am not alone. A line is forming, and that line ends at the door of manufacturers of battery chargers.

Batteries as they were referenced in the past, a past which brought many of us here in the first place, were excited in a manner which may have involved some form of resonance which resembles the known, but is fundamentally different from the presently known and established. Proof is found on the bench, no form of understood and accepted resonance has led to the effects which were claimed at the time, only non conventional forms of resonance delivered any type of unconventional reactions, I know because I did the research, research which was inspired by the talks and recommendations which were the standard back then. Fact is, we have been systematically and probably intentionally moving away from concepts which would/could lead to self charging batteries, to concepts which have transformed many here into designers of battery chargers.

I have invested thousands of hours and thousands of hard earned dollars in this research, looking for an answer, when one, an answer was/is found, one moves closer to "the" answer. Those who copy and paste, the ones who'd rather parrot than work, will wake up one day and find nothing to copy, paste or parrot, on that glorious day Bro, you're f***ed.


Regards

[i_ron]

Erfinder,
So be it. I have much better things to do than expend my time on this forum.

Dave,

I really liked what you said on the 3 bat forum!!!

"But one way or another, we will continue down this road until we have a working system. And as long as we keep it all out in the open, those who come after us can follow the same path."

Hang in there bud,

Ron

[i_ron]

If you are going to walk away...do so for a real reason. I haven't given you a reason to abandon ship. I am speaking to you from my bench, like you are speaking to me from yours, well.....your bench split between two researchers.

Regards

Well, that stirred things up!

Dave, Peter, erfinder, all, sorry for letting my frustration show through.

But coming on the list late has been absolutely confusing. It is all very easy for you guys but there is SO MUCH conflicting information as to be almost useless.

I have read the coil building list. I am up to page 84 in the 3 bat list and I have sent away for two boosters.

Now as regards the motor... it has been said repeatedly that any brushed motor will work so I paid little attention to the rewound motor.

I was trying to lay out a course of action, what do I need for the battery circuit, I have a mobility scooter motor. what generator do I need?

I build from pictures, working prototypes, and with all the videos and motor build pictures removed i was at a loss to know what what was required.

I was active in the Bedini forums and built stuff. Patrick Kelly has my build in his PDF's

I worked with Thane and built rotors for him.

I work with Phil Woods and have had a cop three with one of his devices.

I have built many other devices

But none have the promise that this holds... but I need more logical information. Being hurt, disappointed, upset, wanting to run away answers none of the above.

What information is current. how does it all tie together?

Thanks Bro for all those pics, most I had not seen... but where does the Tesla switch fit in?

Take Care

Ron

PS: Matt and I are now on the same page... Dave?

[erfinder]

Erfinder,

Apparently you have all the answers and are willing to share and I am a cult leader seeking worshippers. So be it. I have much better things to do than expend my time on this forum.

If you are going to walk away...do so for a real reason. I haven't given you a reason to abandon ship. I am speaking to you from my bench, like you are speaking to me from yours, well.....your bench split between two researchers.

The number of folk who believe in your brand of free energy and the claims you have made outnumber the one guy who cares very little if any for your brand of free energy and the claims you've made. I am one of the few not digging into your pocket, the only one not asking you for anything, nor do I endorse your effort to make myself look good in the eye of new potential .....you fill in the rest. You got something better to do than present truth to the best of your abilitiy for the purpose of bettering the community, do your worst. None of the alphas are doing anything to better the community, and the community as a whole comes across as lifeless.....This is what being provided with your thoughts does for you.

Note to self....ignore list only works when you are logged on...


Regards

[shylo]

Bro Mickey, That one picture of the rotor in the stator can is a UFO motor I was building with only one wind on it, nothing to do with this thread.
I have built Matts' motor and many versions, but am now working on my own design which is the motor and the generator built as one unit.

There are ten coils wired in series, dual mag rotors , The other day when testing different coil connections I had accidently shorted out #10 coil , made it so there was no output on that coil, but made the other nine put out more and faster, and completely eliminated the drag.

I store this output and use it to drive the rotors by dumping it back into the coils. When I get done testing best coil configurations I will be then trying to use Daves' 3BGS circuit with booster ,but in place of the batteries will be cap banks.

try dead shorting a coil see what happens
artv