All about your basic coil

[Turion]

Ladies and Gentlemen,
If we are ever going to put together a free energy device that the average guy can assemble in his garage without solid state electronics, I imagine it will incorporate a coil. And if that is a REASONABLE assumption, perhaps it would behove us to assemble information about a "coil" and what affects its performance.

With that in mind, I have put together a "COIL TESTING" setup where I can run a coil between two rotors. One rotor has a North magnet near the coil while the other rotor has a South magnet. The magnets on the rotor alternate N/S. The rotors are spun by a motor connected to a 12 volt power supply so that I can adjust the voltage and amperage input to the motor and can keep it steady. This will allow me to measure the
1. RPM's of the motor
2. Voltage output from the coil connected to a known load
3. Amperage output of the coil connected to a known load
4 Output in watts over time.
The reason I have become so interested in this is because I have been doing some experimenting with a Watson machine type setup, and I believe some changes to the configuration of the coil might add to the performance of the machine. My device has:
1. A DC motor (I have the ability to switch motors. Right now I am running a permanent magnet razor scooter motor, but I also have a universal motor with wound rotor and wound stator that I can switch out to compare results)
2. An energizer composed of 12 coils
3. A flywheel
4. Electronic switching
5. Two 12 volt batteries…one to power and one to charge
Right now I have three strands of #23 wire 800 feet long on each of the 12 coils. I wound previous coils with 2 strands at 1,000 feet and another coil with one strand at 2,000 feet.

Here are the things I BELIEVE will affect the performance of the coil. I would invite anyone to add or subtract from the list and to participate in this kind of scientific testing so that we can take steps in the right direction.

1. Distance between coil and magnets
2. Size of the magnet passing the coil
3. Size of the coil core.
4. Length of the coil...which affects both the mass of the core and the diameter of the coil (or the number of layers of winds directly in front of the magnet.) If you want to retain the same mass of the core, you must decrease the core diameter
5. Composition of the core
6. Connection of multi stranded coils…Example: a three wire coil with three 100' wires connected in series vs a 3 wire coil with three 100' wires connected in parallel vs a one wire coil with 300 feet of wire
7. Composition of the wire…i.e. copper vs aluminum, etc.
8. What I will call the polarity configuration of the coils until someone corrects me with a better term (If all the coils are wound clockwise from one end, the beginning of one coil is facing a North Magnet, so the next coil needs to have its beginning at the opposite end to also hit a North magnet at the same time. AND should this reversed coil be wound clockwise or COUNTER CLOCKWISE.
9. Litzed wire vs non-litzed.
10. Wire size
11. Length of wire

Those are all the possibilities I could think of. I am doing this to find out information specific to the energizer I have built, and my coils will only hold 2400' of #23, so I will be experimenting with some #18 and #20 and #30 also. But mainly I want to try different configurations and combinations of #23.

Dave

[TheoriaApophasis]

Those are all the possibilities I could think of

Dave

hint....
you forgot one.


tapping dielectric torque from STATIC COMPRESSION of two large maggies in counter-voidance ('repulsion').


This configuration 'projects' a 90 degree polarization EXACTLY like the face of the 'magnet' in "free space" (sic).


It can easily be seen also with a ferrocell.

[Turion]

Got it. I have used that myself on a Bedini wheel. Forgot all about it.

Dave

[Ufopolitics]

Good Thread, great point...A Coil.

Hello Dave,

I believe a Coil must meet all the stuff you are citing...I agree, as every single one mentioned above is important on coil performance.

However, We are guided through hundred years plus... doing the same thing over and over...which is to FACE TO FACE Coils and Magnets...or Electromagnets...a Direct, Symmetrical relation of straight vectors facing each others, this means that in order to FULFILL that Arrangement, Coils MUST be designed as you have mentioned above. BUT, everything we have conceived about every single studied parameter and attributes would radically change whenever we start utilizing New Methods that will NOT BE facing coils-magnetic fields DIRECTLY, but INDIRECTLY.

And I am referring STRICTLY to Generator action...NOT Motor action, as it is understood that a Motor requires Torque and Speed, so the DIRECT ELECTROMAGNETIC INTERACTION IS A "MUST" in this kind of design.

I will cite T.A post above:

tapping dielectric torque from STATIC COMPRESSION of two large maggies in counter-voidance ('repulsion').


This configuration 'projects' a 90 degree polarization EXACTLY like the face of the 'magnet' in "free space" (sic).


It can easily be seen also with a ferrocell.

I believe He hit the nail right on the center of the head......and I hope I have interpreted his statement properly.

90º relation between coil-magnet...NOT 180º opposed forces.

Am working on that...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Turion]

Another configuration

Another configuration is a magnet moving straight at the end of a coil rather than across the end of the coil. Need to try that also.

The rotors I am using are different than the rotors most people use. I have a "rotor" at each end of my coil, but each of my rotors is made up of TWO rotors with a super thin piece of plexiglass in between. Each of these two rotors has magnets in it which attract each other through the plexiglass. They NEVER fly out of my rotors no matter WHAT the speed of rotation. A lot more expensive because it is double the magnets and material, but the peace of mind it gives me is well worth it. Now, if I were to replace these magnets with magnets that had holes in them, drill a hole in the plexiglass and bolt the magnets together with like faces in contact, I would have what we are talking about. Then it would be a matter of changing the position of the coil so it is 90 degrees from the magnet face. Easy enough. Of course now I am at risk of flying magnets again! Applied magnets has noes of a variety of sizes and thicknesses with holes in the center. I have a couple stacks of 1" ones. I used to use a screw to attach them to my rotor back in the day.

There is something I have been interested in working on, and I will share it here. Imagine a tube with a large powerful neo magnet in the bottom of it. If that neo is wrapped with a coil of wire and voltage is induced, does it cancel out the magnetic field in the neo? I don't know. Haven't tried it. If it doesn't, the neo would have to be replaced with an electromagnet. On the outside of the tube you have a series of coils with the end of each facing the tube. They can be all around it, up and down its length.

Now take your two large magnets that you have bolted together with like faces touching and drop this combo down the tube. It should "float" if you have put the right face down in opposition to the big neo at the bottom of the tube. (Or drop all the way down if you have to use an electromagnet instead of noes) Turn on the electricity to the coil around the neo at the bottom, allowing the combo magnet to drop, then turn the electricity back off and the neo should shoot up the tube and fall back. Or use an electromagnet at the bottom to shoot the neo up the tube and it falls back.

What might be the advantage of this. Possibly and probably none, but then again, the noes pass all the coils with the kind of "90 degree field generation" we are talking about on the way up, and AGAIN on the way DOWN. Two for the price of one? The repulsion of permanent magnets used to provide the motive force. Or the electromagnet. Watts used to do that vs how many watts were produced in the coils. The math will tell the tale.

Just an idea.

Dave

[Turion]

If you were to wrap a coil on a torrid with a magnet on a rotor inside the torrid...

You start with two wires, say a red one and a green one. Consider the "core" to be a SECTION of the torrid you are going to wrap. You begin on the left end of the "core" with the red wire wrapping coil #1 clockwise until you get to center and stop. Then you begin on the right end of the "core" with the green wire wrapping coil #2 counterclockwise, and wrap the full length of the core. (When you get to the center you will begin wrapping over the top of the coil of red wire.) When you reach the other end you stop. Now take the red wire that you stopped at center with, and continue wrapping the core. (You will be wrapping over the top of the green wire.) When you have finished one complete layer of each wire, your coil will look like the picture.

You fire coil one before the magnet gets to the coil to attract the rotor while coil two acts as a generator. When the magnet reaches center, you fire the coil 2 which repels the rotor and collect both the coil collapse of coil one plus what coil one generates as the magnet moves over the second half of it. Then collect the collapse of coil 2. You get both a pull and a push as each magnet passes. For each pass of each magnet on the rotor, each coil acts as both a generator coil and a motor coil. Of course I am talking about coils wound on a torrid shape here. Of course, I probably got my clockwise and counter clockwise and lefts and rights all mixed up. But that's what I do.
Dave

[Bob Smith]

Dave,
Can't help but think of this patent by Tesla from your description
Patent US381968 - Electro-magnetic motor - Google Patents
I've thought about cutting (with a dremel disc) and joining (with epoxy) two ceramic bar magnets in half lap joint style, making a cross figure with a hole drilled out for the center axle so they could rotate as depicted in the Tesla patent. Just couldn't figure out how to possibly wire it until you posted this idea. Not sure if it's the same, but I'm intrigued.
Lots on my plate now with little spare time, but just thought I'd share this observation.
Bob