This drives me crazy and extreme confusion

[holtage]

Electron flow of capacitor (Note:it is ELECTROLYTIC capacitor)
1. Discharging capacitor
a) Electron flows from - to + outward/along the circuit
b) Electrons flows from + to - outward/along the circuit

2. Charging capacitor
a) Electrons flows from + to - outward/along the circuit
b) Electron flows from - to + outward/along the circuit

3. Is electron flow the opposite of current flow? (I am not sure although books states that it does, I don't believe in books but EXPERIMENT RESULTS, I have no safety in believing theory)

4. Is thinking in terms of current/electron flow is wrong, instead I should think in charge carrier/charge? (I... I... even don't know what I am asking, this shows that I am severely confused)

Comments of old hand in electronics urgently needed!

[TheoriaApophasis]

Electron flow of capacitor (Note:it is ELECTROLYTIC capacitor)
1. Discharging capacitor
a) Electron flows from - to + outward/along the circuit
b) Electrons flows from + to - outward/along the circuit

2. Charging capacitor
a) Electrons flows from + to - outward/along the circuit
b) Electron flows from - to + outward/along the circuit

3. Is electron flow the opposite of current flow? (I am not sure although books states that it does, I don't believe in books but EXPERIMENT RESULTS, I have no safety in believing theory)

4. Is thinking in terms of current/electron flow is wrong, instead I should think in charge carrier/charge? (I... I... even don't know what I am asking, this shows that I am severely confused)

Comments of old hand in electronics urgently needed!

i agree its crazy, since ELECTRONS DONT EXIST


learn what an electron REALLY is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvc5ns3eI7k

[Allcanadian]

@TA
To be honest I find most of your posts to be somewhat incoherent but I like this one. It had a nice flow to it, well referenced and the theme was consistent. My only critique would be leaving a double space between paragraphs because my eye's are going to hell...yes that late 40's thing is creeping up on me,lol.

I like to leave a double space or more between a train of thought as one jumps to another as well but yes usually I'm all over the place. In any case that was a nice post.

AC

[mikrovolt]

It is a very confusing. By studying electricity in nature we find terms such as moving charges and currents applied to an electrical universe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygQIl-JaUUc

[TheoriaApophasis]

It is a very confusing. By studying electricity in nature we find terms such as moving charges and currents applied to an electrical universe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygQIl-JaUUc

that video is trash from the "plasma universe" qwacks.


they have plasma on the brain.


I call it the 'cult of ionized gas'


someone else called them the "Fart Fraternity"

[Ernst]

Electron flow of capacitor (Note:it is ELECTROLYTIC capacitor)
1. Discharging capacitor
a) Electron flows from - to + outward/along the circuit
b) Electrons flows from + to - outward/along the circuit

2. Charging capacitor
a) Electrons flows from + to - outward/along the circuit
b) Electron flows from - to + outward/along the circuit

3. Is electron flow the opposite of current flow? (I am not sure although books states that it does, I don't believe in books but EXPERIMENT RESULTS, I have no safety in believing theory)

4. Is thinking in terms of current/electron flow is wrong, instead I should think in charge carrier/charge? (I... I... even don't know what I am asking, this shows that I am severely confused)

Comments of old hand in electronics urgently needed!

I bet the above answers are very helpful to some, so let me add to the confusion:
An electrolytic capacitor (like many others) consists of 2 conducting plates separated by an insulator. When you charge such a capacitor, you add negative charge to the negative plate and remove negative charge from the positive plate. (under most circumstances only negative charge, i.e. electrons move, in some cases positive charge, i.e. ions move)
When you discharge such a capacitor, you remove the excess negative charge from the negative plate and add negative charge to the positive plate until a neutral state is re-established.
Electricity and electrical effects were discovered long before the electron, so they just called one side positive and the other negative and since "positive" feels like an excess and "negative" like a shortage, they decided that an electric current flows from + to -, just as the wind blows from a high pressure region to a low pressure region. This is just a "model" they used to explain electrical phenomena.
Then the electron was discovered and it was found that it had a negative charge, this of course went against the existing "model", because electrons move from - to +. But to change the model would lead to even more confusion, so the model remained.
So now we have current moving from + to -, and actual charge from - to +.
Thinking in terms of current is useful in many instances but it has little reality. It is a model. A useful model in many occasions. Just like Bohr's model of an atom, with electrons spinning around a positive nucleus. There is very little reality in there, but in many cases it is a useful model and predicts the correct results in experiments.
Thinking in terms of electron flow is much like the previous, there is just slightly more reality in there.
Think about this:
an electric current always consists of 2 components: a magnetic component and an electrostatic component. Both are always present but in low voltage (<2000 Volt) the latter plays hardly any role.
When a current runs through a cable, where is the magnetic field?
Outside the cable, in the area surrounding the cable.
When a current runs through a cable, where is the electric field?
Outside the cable, in the area surrounding the cable. (no electric field inside a conductor)
So BOTH components of an electric current are taking place OUTSIDE of the cable. So the electric energy is conducted outside along the cable, not through the cable!
This energy flow pulls the electrons inside the wire forward, so the electron movements are NOT the cause of an electric current, they are an effect...

Won't take away your confusion, does it?


Ernst.

[TheoriaApophasis]

throw a stone up in the air.....thats charge, dielectricity

it reaches a loss of inertia

stone falls back in your face...thats magnetism




no electrons involved




...............SKIP A STONE ACROSS THE WATER...

it hit the water and pulsates back and forth, skipping across the water.

thats electricity , electrical cycles


the stone loses inertia and FALL into the water..............it loses its dielectric component and sinks........magnetism....










push a heavy stone, smack it, kick it, it wont move dam**t

thats dielectric inertia (like found in Bismuth, or in a supercooled yttrium barium copper oxide disk).








stone is heavy, its comprised of a dielectric condensate created in enormous power centers like galactic jets.


dielectricity is CENTRIPETAL , INERTIAL, COUNTERSPATIAL, is seeking itself out for the smallest possible space

this is why "magnets" come together ,or "attract", magnetic attraction DOES NOT EXIST, it is all controlled by dielectric voidance, a move towards counterspace.

this is why magnets self-fold.

this is why a flat hard drive magnet, if you keep smashing it will eventually form the SMALLEST space possible, a tiny sharp and jagged little SPHERE

always.


rock falls off the cliff attracted to the enormous centripetal dielectricity contained of the earth and its countless atoms, we call it gravity.

rock crushes you . LOL









turning your radio, it draws current,.....thats like letting open a trap door of a box containing a pile of rock to loose their inertia in one direction, at the radio to power it and produce a signal


recharging the battery, using OTHER inertia from ANOTHER source to fill the box back up with a pile of rocks to be let loose again.





That rock in your face, thats the Ether.......no electrons required.

[holtage]

Seems very long

It takes time for me to digest what you reply. Tesla is everything. He must be correct. **** those Edison and the government, JP morgan. I reply to let you know I had read it.......Yes, electrons may be not exist.

[TheoriaApophasis]

..Yes, electrons may be not exist.

[Allcanadian]

@TA
That was once again a very nice post however I am very biased in this respect as my primary area of research has always been electrostatics. I should also mention I dislike the term electrostatics which is absurd once it is actually understood.

As such my perception and understanding has always been very much different that the "electricians" of today. So I would agree the common perception of electricity is a fabrication, a prostitution of the facts taught by misguided people and outdated textbooks.

What I find hard to understand is how so many can claim to be an expert in the field of "electricity" and yet not see that the whole of the premise is riddled with inconsistencies that cannot be resolved. Thus it requires a certain degree of faith that someone somewhere must know what their talking about. They must buy into it without question because when we do start asking the right questions it implodes in on itself before our very eyes.

I have read a few more of your posts and have come to believe we may be seeing the same picture. Different terminology, a slightly different perspective but the theme is consistent. Exciting times and I have found there is hardly a need to connect the dots as they just seem to fall into place all on their own.

Keep up the good work.

AC

[TheoriaApophasis]

@TA
That was once again a very nice post however I am very biased in this respect as my primary area of research has always been electrostatics. I should also mention I dislike the term electrostatics which is absurd once it is actually understood.
AC

electrostatics is an absurd term, agreed.

Pure Ether-inertia however even that is insufficient.

I know the curve dielectricity follows, its 1/Phi^-3


Dielectricity is the power/charge the 'pedal to the metal'

magnetism is the air resistance in that inertia
likewise the friction between rubber and road
likewise the 'exhaust' (spatial vectorization)


Never is there one without the other.

how to get dielectricity? Focused torque by application of another field(s) to cause its appearance.


The Ether posits itself by itself of itself as necessitated attribute of/consubstantial to its Principle just as Light posits itself in and by illumination, a necessitated attribute indifferentiate from its Principle..... but HUMANS can only cause it to be posited by USING an ALREADY PRESENT Ether modality to cause it to appear or focus its perturbation.

What I find hard to understand is how so many can claim to be an expert in the field of "electricity"AC

Id call a 80 year old coot electrician an "expert in electricity"

however 99.9999% of the time such a person is a TOTAL IDIOT in what IT "is", .......the theory etc. etc. etc.


such a person is just a moron, an ape who is skilled at:

1. not getting electrocuted
2. running wires like a monkey.

[Hrothgar]

to clarify

Electron flow of capacitor (Note:it is ELECTROLYTIC capacitor)
1. Discharging capacitor
a) Electron flows from - to + outward/along the circuit
b) Electrons flows from + to - outward/along the circuit

2. Charging capacitor
a) Electrons flows from + to - outward/along the circuit
b) Electron flows from - to + outward/along the circuit

3. Is electron flow the opposite of current flow? (I am not sure although books states that it does, I don't believe in books but EXPERIMENT RESULTS, I have no safety in believing theory)

4. Is thinking in terms of current/electron flow is wrong, instead I should think in charge carrier/charge? (I... I... even don't know what I am asking, this shows that I am severely confused)

Comments of old hand in electronics urgently needed!

To keep the wordy narcissists at bay I'll simply describe what a capacitor this way. It stores pressure much like a balloon does. in electrical systems a regulated and consistent flow is desired. Work is gained by controlled release of the pressure and capacitors can act as temporary storehouses for that pressure so that negative consequences of pressure shortages or spikes can be avoided (or for extra stored power as in the case of the capacitor in your washing machine). Now to answer your specific question about flow routing. If you take a balloon and stuff it through its open end you can still blow it up even though it is inside-out. The same goes for the capacitor, you can charge it in either direction. Capacitors can also be used as heat free resistors in AC circuits due to impedance factors but that is another story.

Think of wattage as a bolt/screw, the angle of the thread is the voltage and turning the head of the bolt is current. If the angle of your thread is steep you loose tork but you travel a greater distance per turn. Pure current with no voltage can be imagined as a nail, turning it will not push it forward, but turning it will meet with no resistance.

The whole current vs electron thing is trash, Just remember that as backward as it seems - goes to + and relegate current to meaning amperage.


I hope this has cleared the waters per say.

[Allcanadian]

@Hrothgar

The whole current vs electron thing is trash, Just remember that as backward as it seems - goes to + and relegate current to meaning amperage.

The analogy I use is that the negative (-) terminal has a high charge density and the positive(+) terminal a low charge density. Equal and opposite, the high does not move towards low but ambient conditions. The negative above ambient the positive below ambient centered around the zero point(ambient) which is neither high nor low.

As such I see nothing backwards about it, however thinking electrons must magically flow from positive into negative is of course the most absurd thing I have ever heard.

AC

[TheoriaApophasis]

@Hrothgar
As such I see nothing backwards about it, however thinking electrons must magically flow from positive into negative is of course the most absurd thing I have ever heard.
AC

positive and negative have no meaning. All works by pressure mediation like fluid dynamics

One couples off concentrated inertia in a battery or as created by moving field(s) just like a transmission couples out power.

Charge is either lost in the null fulcrum of its creation or lost in mechanical or other forms of work.

One might incorrectly assert that houses and trees which are being sucked into the cone of a tornado are attracted by the air itself, the wind, rather than by the motion of the wind.

There are no negative charges or "discharges" only directed or forced pressure mediations one couples out of or thru.



the opposite of inertia isnt rest, .....its movement


we think the opposite of MOVEMENT as per a human is obviously rest, but as per dielectricity, the opposite of dielectric inertia is MOVEMENT, WORK, ACTION.


As per the dielectric, the Ether, its innate unperturbed (usually) inertia IN TERMINATION is movement, is WORK, is ACTION, is POLARIZATION (= action/ movement).



unlike empirical objects moving we declare they "have inertia" and "RESIST REST".... the dielectric inertia of the Ether IS REST, ...to couple INTO or OUT of that is WORK, is ACTION, is MOTION, is MOVEMENT etc etc.

any examples? One can imagine a stretched rubber band, a membrane of the Ether, at rest, cutting it creates movement, action, work.


How simplex, but nobody grasps it.


Just as Tesla said that ENERGY from matter was BS, he was right. ALL components of an atomic bomb are still present AFTER the explosion. Some inertia is lost in beta and gamma, however the entire blast is nothing more than taking a trillion trillion trillion tightly wound pocket-watches and smashing them and letting their "springs" fly loose creating hell and havoc.

There is NO matter to energy conversion, only a loss of the stable inertial in and of the atoms themselves.

[Allcanadian]

@TA
I didn't think you would let that one slide through,lol, and after I thought to state this is just a rough analogy. We have to learn how to walk before we can run and I think many are looking for very simple examples they can relate to. That's my theory anyways.

AC