The Principle--most controveral movie of science of this century?

[indio007]

The MM experiment is a pretty good experiment, it has been repeated many times with better and still better apparatus. I believe that only Dayton Miller was convinced that there actually was a detectable fringe shift.

Every MM experiment detects a fringe shift.
It's shrinks proportionally to the light path. This is interpreted in the main stream as a reduction of the shift proportional to the test's accuracy.



I don't have a problem with the experiment per se. I have a problem with the conclusions of what the results of the experiment mean.

Resonators versions have similar but different issues.

[indio007]

In any case the people who worship logic don't have any more real answers than anyone else which by their own logic should have been the first indication that they may be doing something wrong.

I love this!

it reminds me of Occam's Razor.

Everyone believes that it is a useful tool but the actual evidence of that it is wrong.
http://homes.cs.washington.edu/~pedrod/papers/dmkd99.pdf

If science invariably applied Occam's razor the simple solution is that all science is wrong!

[wayne.ct]

Logic

Every field of human action, thoughts, words and behavior is steeped in its own jargon, terminology, words and concepts. By intentionally and purposefully ignoring and twisting the tools of communications anyone that wants to do so can make anything mean anything. This relates to the notion of semiotics and semiotics is the work of Pierce, referred to above. This is a subfield in the field of philosophy but is intimately connected to communication and LOGIC.

Talking, or in this case writing, in ignorance of the usage and context is not productive. On the other hand, it seems very few participants in this forum seem interested in greater productivity. I keep hoping to find some useful information and ideas related to energy and related notions. It is of interest to me. However, the various lines of thought continue to be more divergent than convergent.

It seems we will need a greater measure of good luck to produce something useful in this environment than I at first estimated. Still, it does make for interesting reading and in some cases viewing. I found Keshe interesting but not particularly informative. Same with Rodin. I think I am developing the same feeling toward TA.

About logic, if a thing does not make logical sense to me then my first cut at an assessment of a statement is that it is not logical. I may then take a few more "cuts" at the reading to see if I can make logical sense of a thing. If an experiment suggests itself as a means to test an idea, I consider the cost and feasibility of performing a test.

In summary, if a thing cannot be reduced or related to something testable it needs to be held in reserve as something unproved. Things that are unproved may still be discussed, weighed and evaluated but only in the context of the related field. To drift or vary from that field is to reduce any valid or valuable so called conclusion to nothing more than an unproven claim. To base a conclusion on meaningless words is not merely error prone it is practically guaranteed to be erroneous.

[TheoriaApophasis]

About logic, if a thing does not make logical sense to me then my first cut at an assessment of a statement is that it is not logical.

that internalization, personalization is a fallacious premise to begin an investigation with.


Most peoples denotative idea of "logic" TURNS OUT to be merely connotative and utterly PERSONAL


and that "aint good"



True investigation requires one divest themselves of any and all personal investment in a formerly held position or positions.


One must adjust to both what is provable, and if not empirically provable, then what must be necessitated to be so from all known deductive and retroductive conclusions which are devoid of any counter-intuitive ad hoc speculations or hyperbolic pontifications which have no basis in reason or are naturally obtusely complex or convoluted and therefore to be rejected.

[wayne.ct]

Complexity

it reminds me of Occam's Razor.

The statement of Occam's razor in the pdf seems pertinent. The theory or explanation should not be more complicated than NECESSARY. It seems obvious to me that some complexity is going to be necessary.

[TheoriaApophasis]

The statement of Occam's razor .

Ockham's razor, the Absolute, and the search for supreme truth
copyright 4-2010 TheoriaApophasis

William of Ockham, famous for a take upon his statement that one should not multiply entities beyond necessity