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[Aaron]

sharp gradients

which sharp gradient is actually producing this effect?

Hi Elias,

I believe it is more than one. The main sharp gradient I think is the collapsing magnetic field in the coil.

Hitting a battery directly with that through the diode from the bottom of the coil (collector) may be another sharp gradient...maybe not as sharp as the collapsing field. Or if charging caps, the caps discharging to a battery could be considered a sharp gradient.

Sharp gradients seem to simply produce a much stronger potential difference getting a stronger influx of the virtual photon potential to move towards the different "poles."

Possibly every fast off/on in the transistor could be a sharp gradient...every off/on of a diode may be a sharp gradient...each and every single one probably collectively adds to the potential in the circuit.

[admin]

Hello Kevin Thanks for your motivation,

Since you have got it working on a good level, I wanted to know did you get overunity results with your first simple SG? What wire gauge did you use?

The Truth is that most people cannot get over 80 % from their SSG.
Thiere must be a trick to this, I certainly think that using multi coils will increase the output to the battery, because they generate electricity by using the magnets too. maybe the trick is this, like the self runner reported by Rick.

Some other people talk about impedance matching, since lower gauge wires have lower impedance they may charge batteries better.

Best Regards,

Hi Elias,

No I did not get a COP of greater than 1.0 at first.

There are a few things I did that brought me to a COP of greater than 1.0 (and from there I began experimenting and tuning).

1. I had to charge and discharge each of the batteries to "condition" them at least 30 times.

2. While I used only one coil/spool, with one trigger, there are 900 windings (yes, I counted them) of TWO wires. That means two circuits on one coil/spool.

3. The three wires are twisted, as uniformly as possible, BEFORE going on the spool. When wound onto the spool, they are as uniform (without crossing) as possible.

#20 Gauge wire was used.

All wires to each connection on each circuit are the same length and as short and straight as possible. (no bends, twists, turns or corners, nor do they cross over each other)

Also, as a side note, I have mentioned in another post, I had a setup where I captured some of the mechanical energy from the wheel, but was unsuccessful in achieving a net gain when doing that.

I also tried running larger gauge wires to the charging batteries, but that also resulted in a lower COP than using #20 Gauge throughout.

Everything is soldered except the connections to batteries. (although I did use a breadboard during experimentation with resistors and watching the different formations of the spikes on the scope)



Kevin

[Jetijs]

Hi Kevin,
Thanks for those good words
I don't exactly understand this:

One factor that I kept looking for in your report was how much work was expended in each "loading cycle". From what I can piece together it ranged between 1.92 amps and 2.88 amps. Is this correct?

Maybe my english is not so good. Did you mean watts? My battery analyzer loaded the battery with 0.1Amp load constantly, that is about 1.288 watts when the battery is fully charged and 1.05 watts when the battery is almost discharged.
I used standard ball bearings (two of them) nothing fancy. I would like to try ceramic bearings some day, because they are known to be the lowest friction bearings, this would give much longer rotor free spin, but they are not cheap.
I have not tried any other RPM's and other drive currents, because 160 mA is the lowest current that I can get at the fastest speed, that is my sweetspot and it is said that you get the best charging when you run your SSG like this.
Someone once said, that the Bedini systems will only give OU if the batteries in the system are conditioned. That's why I will add another trifilar coil to my setup and use those three strands as slave coils with a transistor and diode for each strand, that way I will have 5 power coils and faster charging. I will need a bigger wattage pot though. I will condition two sealed lead acid batteries (7Ah) and then see if I can run the setup with battery swapping. But then again John said, that a battery that has been charged by these radiant spikes wont do good if placed in front side as the primary battery, it will discharge fast because the radiant energy kinda does not like to be reused by the SSG. If you want to swap batteries, you need power an inverter with the primary battery and then use a stepdown transformer and rectifier to power the SSG. That is not a good idea because of the losses in the inverter and transformer. Or you can use the cap pulser setup, but then again it is said, that in that case the capacitor absorbs these spikes and turn them into "hot" energy before releasing them to the charging battery. But wont that be a bad thing to do to a conditioned battery? Because we all know, that all the good effects of a conditioned battery disappears when the battery is charged with a conventional charger.
Jetijs

[Shamus]

You know, I've been wondering the same things, vis-a-vis the cap charging and battery swapping on the original SSG. And people who ask such questions on a certain list that shall not be named are told that that list is not the place to ask such questions. All the while the list that you *might* be able to ask such questions is private. Am I frustrated? You might say that.

@Kevin: On a side note, in that original thread you wrote about a simple modification to the original SSG that you got from the TRV data that Aaron knew about through Peter Lindemann. Is there any reason why you can't divulge the modification?

[elias]

I started conditioning thanks,

Thanks Kevin,

I am now starting to condition my batteries, wish me luck.

My SSG shown in the picture uses a hall effect sensor and mosfets for faster switching.
I have connected my SSG to a step down transformer to only start charging batteries. It is now running at about 1500 rpm @ 9 volts, 200mA. my spikes are little more than 200volts. I'll try faster mosfets to see if I could achieve higher spikes.

Again thanks,

[Jetijs]

elias,
why do you use stepdown transformer if you can put those spikes in a battery directly. Your setup is not exactly an SSG and may not have the effects described in this thread.

[Kevin]

oops! I asked my question wrong!

Hi Kevin,
Thanks for those good words
I don't exactly understand this:


Maybe my english is not so good. Did you mean watts? My battery analyzer loaded the battery with 0.1Amp load constantly, that is about 1.288 watts when the battery is fully charged and 1.05 watts when the battery is almost discharged.
I used standard ball bearings (two of them) nothing fancy. I would like to try ceramic bearings some day, because they are known to be the lowest friction bearings, this would give much longer rotor free spin, but they are not cheap.
I have not tried any other RPM's and other drive currents, because 160 mA is the lowest current that I can get at the fastest speed, that is my sweetspot and it is said that you get the best charging when you run your SSG like this.
Someone once said, that the Bedini systems will only give OU if the batteries in the system are conditioned. That's why I will add another trifilar coil to my setup and use those three strands as slave coils with a transistor and diode for each strand, that way I will have 5 power coils and faster charging. I will need a bigger wattage pot though. I will condition two sealed lead acid batteries (7Ah) and then see if I can run the setup with battery swapping. But then again John said, that a battery that has been charged by these radiant spikes wont do good if placed in front side as the primary battery, it will discharge fast because the radiant energy kinda does not like to be reused by the SSG. If you want to swap batteries, you need power an inverter with the primary battery and then use a stepdown transformer and rectifier to power the SSG. That is not a good idea because of the losses in the inverter and transformer. Or you can use the cap pulser setup, but then again it is said, that in that case the capacitor absorbs these spikes and turn them into "hot" energy before releasing them to the charging battery. But wont that be a bad thing to do to a conditioned battery? Because we all know, that all the good effects of a conditioned battery disappears when the battery is charged with a conventional charger.
Jetijs

Hi Jetijs,

I really made some mistakes in my question. I meant to ask about charging cycles, not loading cycle. Also meant amp hours, not amps.

Here is the correct question....One factor that I kept looking for in your report was how much work was expended in each "charging cycle". From what I can piece together it ranged between 1.92 amp hours and 2.88 amp hours. Is this correct?

Just like in your report it showed that the "Tested Capacity" ranged between 0.58 Ah (amp hours) and 0.87 Ah, I am wondering how many amp hours were expended to get that tested capacity.


I know you did not ask, but I found on my particular wheel (however, I know that every unit has to be "tuned" differently) that I actually got a better COP at lower than the top RPM. I discovered this simply by massive numbers of experiments at different RPM and current input settings.

Just as an example...if you were able to get your current input down to 80 mA, your RPM may be lower, and it may take longer to charge the battery, but you may also get better COP.

I must have missed the info on not using a SG charged battery as the primary, because that is what I did. It does not seem it would really matter how fast it discharged...you are controlling the current with your resistors and POT's, so you have total control of work expended.

I agree that an SG charged battery will lose its conditioning when charged conventionally, but it does not happen overnight. I had a truck battery that was completely dead...it would not hold a charge from a conventional battery charger more than 15 minutes before dropping below 10.5 volts. I conditioned it with the SG for 30+ days, and then put it back in the truck. It worked fine, and was still working when I sold the truck 10 months later.

[Jetijs]

Kevin,
My charging times were very random. Usually it took 14-18 hours to charge the battery up to 14V. If the current draw from the primary battery is 160mA, that means 2,24 to 2,88 Amphours were used to charge the battery. COP is about 0.30
My goal with this standard SSG was only to prove that the capacity of the charging battery goes up in time while the capacity of a conventionally charged battery goes down. After all the goal of the bedini_monopole3 list is only to see the two energies and learn how they act. I done my load tests just to get into advanced yahoo groups where I could learn more about some selfrunner setups. Building a selfrunner was my goal all along to prove perpetual motion. I have not continued to condition that battery, that I used for tests. But I will now try some different rotor speeds, to see if I can get a better charging time, like you said. As for he battery swapping, in the bedini_monopole3 list there is said, that the batteries are not rotated in that basic setup (I mean not swapped around) and If you want to swap them around, you need a cap pulser setup.
Kevin, have you tried the superpole setup? I mean when there are two magnets glued together N side facing the other N side? That is what John Bedini uses in his setups. This config is supposed to increase the efficiency

[Kevin]

@Kevin: On a side note, in that original thread you wrote about a simple modification to the original SSG that you got from the TRV data that Aaron knew about through Peter Lindemann. Is there any reason why you can't divulge the modification?

Hi Shamus,

A few years ago when we TRV'd how to improve the particular SG unit that I built we got some interesting data. When I shared it with Aaron he talked to John and/or Peter and they said they already knew this information, but would I please refrain from publishing it. I agreed. (this is my best recollection...hopefully Aaron can provide more details in a post here)

Anyway, I just spoke with Aaron and asked if it was ok to share it now.

It may be old news to some of you, because Aaron says that there have been references to it recently on some boards.

I first went out with a volt meter set at 20 volts DC. I stuck both ends in the ground in hundreds of locations, looking for the highest voltage reading near me.

(btw, before posting this I took my volt meter and stuck it in the ground around my current location about a dozen times and got readings ranging from 1/4 of a volt all the way as high as 3.3 volts----I live out in the country and there are no underground cables in our area)

I then took a rod (steel, I believe) and put it into the ground 4 feet. I connected a wire to the rod and ran it up to the battery being Charged and connected it to the Positive terminal with a diode which prevented any flow going from the battery to the ground.

Before I did this I was already at a COP of above 1.0. However, this did increase my COP.

As I have mentioned previously, I do not spend much time understanding how all this works, but spend most of my time just making it work. Soooo, I may be butchering the following...Aaron can come in behind me and clean it up.

What I believe is happening is that when the spike collapses it creates a sort of vacuum in the battery being charged and that vacuum literally sucks energy from the earth.

Anyway, I am not too comfortable trying to explain the "whys". But I am completely comfortable saying that if you put a rod as deep as you can into the earth and run a wire from that rod to the positive terminal (with an inline diode) on the battery being charged, you will see an increase in your COP.

[Jetijs]

Thanks Kevin
That is a great tip. I did not know this

[Shamus]

Thanks Kevin!

I remember reading about Stubblefield on John's site, and this sounds similar to Stubblefield's 'earth battery'. Very interesting stuff!

[elias]

The input not the output :-)

elias,
why do you use stepdown transformer if you can put those spikes in a battery directly. Your setup is not exactly an SSG and may not have the effects described in this thread.

I certainly did not want to get rid of the spikes I need them to charge the battery. I connected the input of my SSG to the mains to be able to charge batteries without using batteries! The only major difference my setup has with the SSG is the hall effect sensor and the mosfet instead of the transistor. because I was told that sharper the pulses better the Radiant, So I decided to use this setup (Like Bedini's Monopole) and with a rotor with 8 magnets.

Thanks for pointing that out.

[Shamus]

@Kevin: I've been meaning to ask: Is your setup the one that uses capacitors for charging on the back end, and are you able to swap batteries from the back end to the front end if it isn't (i.e., more or less stock SSG)?

[Jetijs]

Sorry Elias,
I understood, that you drive the spices through the stepdown transformer, now I know, that the transformer is just to power the whole thing instead of the primary battery. Maybe you can post schematic of your setup?

[elias]

Sorry Elias,
I understood, that you drive the spices through the stepdown transformer, now I know, that the transformer is just to power the whole thing instead of the primary battery. Maybe you can post schematic of your setup?

No problem,
Well I certainly think that I am finding something else in the Battery which has been charging since last night. Thanks Kevin for the conditioning comment. I really am starting to believe that the Battery must be prepared for this type of charging and the more it takes the spikes the faster it charges, really interesting.

You can see my H wave out put here:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/364-bedini-sg-2.html#post10447

I will post my schematic later.

Elias