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[Ernst]

1. Should we consider "pendulum argument" a strongest heliocentric argument even today (45 years after supposed Moon landing)?

a - it does not proof anything about what would be the centre of the universe. As I told you before you can take any random chosen point in the entire universe and call it the centre and all laws of physics will still apply.
b - it does proof that the Earth rotates and that it is spherical. There are several museums/institutes all over the world where you can verify this experiment.
c - what Moon landing? Who landed on the Moon 45 years ago?

2. Should we consider UN a joke or a circus like organization (regarding their logo)?

a joke. And a rather BIG one!

3. Should we take as a fact that not even one heliocentrist is able to offer to us plausible answer to this question:

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Question no 1:

My question (unanswered by you) was very simple and clear. I repeat: Why would airliners fly from New Zealand to Brasil in wrong direction which means doubling millage, throwing away enormous sums of money and wasting passengers precious time?

Would you like me to believe that they are all out of their mind?

Flight Time Christchurch to Rio - Flat Earth proof (Deutsch)

a - what makes you think that no one CAN?
b - does it make any sense that Emirates (airlines) flights either start or end in Dubai?
c - they are not throwing away enormous sums of money, they are cashing in big time.
d - Do you really believe that Emirates cares about those few people that want to fly from NZ to B?
e - they are not out of their mind, what they do is perfectly logical, but if I were planning that trip I would look if there are other companies that offer a shorter flight (time).

There you go; 5 answers to your question!

Beer time! Oops, I mean time for some serious religious activities!



Ernst.

[cikljamas]

1. Should we consider "pendulum argument" a strongest heliocentric argument even today (45 years after supposed Moon landing)?

2. Should we consider UN a joke or a circus like organization (regarding their logo)?

3. Should we take as a fact that not even one heliocentrist is able to offer to us plausible answer to this question:

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Question no 1:

My question (unanswered by you) was very simple and clear. I repeat: Why would airliners fly from New Zealand to Brasil in wrong direction which means doubling millage, throwing away enormous sums of money and wasting passengers precious time?

Would you like me to believe that they are all out of their mind?

Flight Time Christchurch to Rio - Flat Earth proof (Deutsch)

[cikljamas]

You would wage war on all us unbelievers.

No, i would not, but

Ernst, had you really thought that i could ever be that kind of person you wouldn't even have addressed to me in the first place, let alone multiple posting your interesting anti religious posts in this thread, am i right?

Ernst, i am human being also

You say that if the Earth would be spherical we should ask ourselves if the Bible really is the Word of God. The Bible can still be right, but your interpretation could be wrong.

No, the Bible can't be right in that case, and that is why this inquiry is so important!

Hrothgar, thanks for your link, let's quote last passage from there:

The most important thing about all of this to remember is that the difference accumulates each day. It continues to accumulate until around April 2nd when at that time the speed of Earth "A" and Earth "B" are the same. At that time the position of the sun in the sky will have its maximum "offset" to the east. The time difference between the sun and your watch will be almost 8 minutes. From April 2nd until around July 3rd the sun will drift back toward the west. Then from July 3rd to October 2nd the sun continues to drift to the west until it reaches its maximum "offset" in the west. Then from October 2nd until January 2nd, the sun drifts back toward the east until it reaches its starting position on January 2nd.

Beautiful, you have just provided for us fantastically good description of heliocentric insanity. Now that we know that sometimes you can think logically, why don't you be sincere and admit that above quote from your link undoubtedly proves that it's utterly impossible to derive perfectly steady-even-precise-constant annual shift of all the stars on daily-hourly basis from such unsteady-uneven erratic orbital motion of the Earth?

1. The shapes of "constellations" don't change over thousands of years.

2. The position of the constellations above the Earth doesn't change year after year.

3.

The Moon crosses the sky very slightly faster than the Sun, because it orbits the Earth in prograde, that is, it's orbit is in the same direction as the Earth's rotation.

Does this make any sense?

Of course it doesn't, the argument is completely wrong. If the Moon orbits the Earth in the same direction as the Earth rotates on it's axis then the 'apparent' velocity of Moon's motion should be slower across the sky than the 'apparent' motion of the Sun.

The problem is that the 'apparent' motion of the Moon is much faster than the 'apparent' motion of the Sun across the sky!

4. Same goes for the Sun. If the Earth moves faster in winter than the apparent velocity of Sun's motion in winter should be slower across the sky than the apparent velocity of Sun's motion in summer, and all that of course should be (reality) as i just described if we assumed that the apparent velocity of the Sun is primarily a consequence of Earth's (non-existent) rotation on it's non-existent axis which is allegedly tilted 23,5 degree and spatially Fixed with respect to Nothing at all!!!

" We declare that this motion is all mere ' bosh,' and that the arguments which uphold it are, when examined by an eye that seeks Truth, mere nonsense and childish absurdity."

Saros, this one is for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMcjv55VcJc

[Ernst]

I also kind of wonder why Cikljamas mentions the Bible while having a discussion with non-religious audience, but that is only his approach, it doesn't mean that if something is implied in the Bible it is wrong, does it? You're really that prejudiced?

However, if FET ever turned up to be false then the Bible should be discarded as authentic Word of God.

I have enough courage to say that, and you won't find more than just a few Christians in the whole world who would have so much courage to assert what i just have asserted.

Am i fair enough, what do you think?

Why don't you admit that the reason you believe the Earth is round is because you were told so by the great scientists? Actually, not even the scientists told you so but your kindergarten teachers

Again I could refer you to the Foucault Pendulum. Was he a kindergarten teacher?
Saros, you fit in well with the flat liners!

I have a dry throat. Where are you, Hrothgar? Time for your religion.



Ernst.

[Saros]

The thing is that there are many people out there who are not Christian or religious, but are still skeptical of the official model and might consider other scenarios as well, might doubt that NASA is being sincere, might believe that the satellites are fake or at least not what we're told they are and so on...So, the origin of these beliefs is not the bible, but human reasoning, and your unwillingness to think is only your problem. I also kind of wonder why Cikljamas mentions the Bible while having a discussion with non-religious audience, but that is only his approach, it doesn't mean that if something is implied in the Bible it is wrong, does it? You're really that prejudiced? Why don't you admit that the reason you believe the Earth is round is because you were told so by the great scientists? Actually, not even the scientists told you so but your kindergarten teachers

[Ernst]

I thought I said something similar

OK,... well let's go and get that beer then!

Ernst.

[Hrothgar]

cikljamas,

Why don't you come to the point and leave all your misinterpreted scientific nonsense aside.
The point is that you WANT to believe that the Earth is flat and that the entire universe revolves around it.
You WANT to believe that no matter what intelligent people can come up with.
You WANT to believe so because your interpretation of the Bible tells you so and you believe the Bible to be the Word of God.
So what are the real issues that you should address?
- Is your interpretation of the Bible the correct one. I have seen so many interpretations, many many Christian ones, some Jewish and one Islamic one. It seems that the Bible allows for many interpretations so why do you cling on to your flat Earth interpretation so much? You say that if the Earth would be spherical we should ask ourselves if the Bible really is the Word of God. The Bible can still be right, but your interpretation could be wrong. (exactly the same issue that you seem to have with science, logic and common sense)
- The Bible is a book written by many people and severely 'edited' by the Vatican. Could this not result in a distorted view on the true message therein?
- Who or what is God? The image that they taught me was that of a very old man sitting on a throne in heaven, being omnipotent and omniscient. If that picture turns out to be true, than god is worse than the devil. Because he knows all our suffering and he can change it with a wink of his eye. Yet he chooses not to do so. I can not believe this to be true, but if it is, he sure better let me live for all eternity, for as soon as I get there I will tear his place down. No, I can not believe in a God like that. How is this relevant, you may ask?
Well, just look at how fiery you defend your interpretation. You would wage war on all us unbelievers. Do you really think that that is your God given purpose in life?

Ernst.

I thought I said something similar

[TheoriaApophasis]

Elliptical Orbit Effect

Really tho, who can hermaphrodites marry?

I think the bible says all genetic deformities are due to the parents living in sin.

or some such nonsense.
Were you expecting a logical response out of the Dept. of Religion?






Everything is "Gods will", even when 20 people are praying in church and a tornado comes along and drops the roof on their heads and kills them.

Gods will

[Ernst]

cikljamas,

Why don't you come to the point and leave all your misinterpreted scientific nonsense aside.
The point is that you WANT to believe that the Earth is flat and that the entire universe revolves around it.
You WANT to believe that no matter what intelligent people can come up with.
You WANT to believe so because your interpretation of the Bible tells you so and you believe the Bible to be the Word of God.
So what are the real issues that you should address?
- Is your interpretation of the Bible the correct one. I have seen so many interpretations, many many Christian ones, some Jewish and one Islamic one. It seems that the Bible allows for many interpretations so why do you cling on to your flat Earth interpretation so much? You say that if the Earth would be spherical we should ask ourselves if the Bible really is the Word of God. The Bible can still be right, but your interpretation could be wrong. (exactly the same issue that you seem to have with science, logic and common sense)
- The Bible is a book written by many people and severely 'edited' by the Vatican. Could this not result in a distorted view on the true message therein?
- Who or what is God? The image that they taught me was that of a very old man sitting on a throne in heaven, being omnipotent and omniscient. If that picture turns out to be true, than god is worse than the devil. Because he knows all our suffering and he can change it with a wink of his eye. Yet he chooses not to do so. I can not believe this to be true, but if it is, he sure better let me live for all eternity, for as soon as I get there I will tear his place down. No, I can not believe in a God like that. How is this relevant, you may ask?
Well, just look at how fiery you defend your interpretation. You would wage war on all us unbelievers. Do you really think that that is your God given purpose in life?

Ernst.

[Hrothgar]

Phhhft!

Hrothgar, it is really pathetic to give a lesson to anyone about how not to lie since you are heliocentrist and heliocentrism is a paradigm of utter lying and ultimate arrogance. Just stick with the topic and answer to this: If orbital velocity of the Earth is not a constant how then daily rate of annual rotation of the stars can be constant due to variable Earth's orbital velocity which Earth performs traveling in it's eccentric path around the Sun?

Elliptical Orbit Effect

Really tho, who can hermaphrodites marry?

[TheoriaApophasis]

Flat Head, Brat Pitt has a question for you

for you, son

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMfYIplR3x8

Flat Earth Society Lunatics Says Round Planet, Gravity Are Fake

[cikljamas]

Flat Head, Brat Pitt has a question for you

[TheoriaApophasis]

since you are heliocentrist

This thread is hilarious, it makes snake handlers look VERY SANE by comparison.

[cikljamas]

Hrothgar, it is really pathetic to give a lesson to anyone about how not to lie since you are heliocentrist and heliocentrism is a paradigm of utter lying and ultimate arrogance. Just stick with the topic and answer to this: If orbital velocity of the Earth is not a constant how then daily rate of annual rotation of the stars can be constant due to variable Earth's orbital velocity which Earth performs traveling in it's eccentric path around the Sun?

[aljhoa]

1. Fixed spatial orientation of the Earth's axis is unexplainable because there is nothing (no force, no real reason at all) why would spatial orientation of the Earth's axis be Fixed ( Earth's axis is spatially fixed with respect to what? ; What kind of force keeps it fixed like that?)

Earth's axis is spatially fixed with respect to what?
The 360 South Pole celestial points visible on the star trails,
taken at all latitudes near the ice barrier show that flat earth North Pole celestial axis is fixed;
this is irrefutable proof the flat earth does not rotate.

What kind of force keeps it fixed like that?
The 361 star trails (one North and 360 South) show that stars rotate above the flat earth and
all pictures somehow don't overlap, therefore this must be a miracle.

Al