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[aljhoa]

διαίρει καὶ βασίλευε

NOBODY is buying the flat earth stuff.

Then, what is the following "flat earth" doing?







Conclusion[edit]

Shaykh Abdul-Aziz Ibn Baaz, the former supreme religious authority of Saudi Arabia, believed the earth is flat,[10][11] and
so does Muslim Researcher on Astronomy Fadhel Al-Sa'd, who declared in a televised debate aired on Iraqi Al-Fayhaa TV (October 31, 2007)
that the Earth is flat as evidenced by Qur'anic verses and that the sun is much smaller than the Earth and revolves around it.[12]

As devout Muslims, they have good reason to conclude the Earth is flat; the Qur'anic verses 15:19, 20:53, 43:10, 50:7, 51:48, 71:19, 78:6,
79:30, 88:20 and 91:6 all clearly state this and not a single verse in the Qur'an hint to a spherical earth.
Flat Earth and the Qur'an - WikiIslam

Al

[TheoriaApophasis]

your endless posts are a desperate attempt to CONVINCE YOURSELF



NOBODY is buying the flat earth stuff.



Most would sooner believe that a blue skinned alien was living in their backyards than this flat earth nonsense.

[cikljamas]

" The nearer the Sun gets to the Pole star, the earlier it rises, the higher it reaches at noon, and the later it sets. This apparenl independent motion of the Sun, therefore, seems to account for longer and shorter days, and the whole phenomena of the seasons, but why the Sun lags as described, or why it moves northerly and southerly at alternate periods, there ii no apparent evidence. On the supposition that the world is a globe rotating against the Sun, and revolving round that luminary, it is impossible to account for what Mr. Russell calls the lagging movement of the Sun. But, on a flat surface, like the world is known to be, there is no assumption needed to account for it. As I have shown the Earth is a stretched-out structure, which diverges from the Central north in all directions toward the south. The Equator, being mid-way between the north centre and the southern circumference, divides the course of the Sun into north and south declinations. The longest circle round the world which the Sun makes, is when it has reached its greatest southern declination. Gradually going northward the circle is contracted. In about three months after the southern extremity of its path has been reached, the Sun makes a circle round the Equator. Still pursuing a northerly course as it goes round and above the world, in another three months the greatest northern declination is reached, when the Sun again begins to go towards the south. In northern latitudes when the Sun is going north, it rises earlier each day, is higher at noon, and sets later; while in southern latitudes, at the same time, the Sun, as a matter of course, rises later; reaches a lesser altitude at noon and sets earlier. In northern latitudes during the southern summer, say from September to December, the Sun rises later each day, is lower at noon, and sets earlier; while in the south he rises earlier, reaches a higher altitude at noon, and sets later each day. This movement round the Earth daily is the cause of the alternation of day and night; while his northern and southern courses produce the Seasons. When the Sun is south of the Equator it is summer in the south and winter in the north, and vice-versa. The fact of the alternation of the Seasons flatly contradicts the Newtonian delusion that the Earth revolves in an orbit round the Sun. It 'is said that summer is caused by the Earth being nearer the Sun, and winter by its being farthest from the Sun. But, if the reader will follow the argument in any text-book, he will see that according to the theory, when the Earth is nearest the Sun there must be summer in both northern and southern latitudes; and in like manner when it is farthest from the Sun it must be winter all over the Earth at the same time, because the whole of the globe-earth would be farthest from the Sun ! ! ! In short it is impossible to account for the recurrence of the Seasons on the assumption that the Earth is globular, and that it revolves in an orbit round the Sun."

In Winter the Northern Centre is darkened, and continues so for some months till the Sun returns again in Summer, and illumines it with its brightness. We have then the phenomenon of " The Midnight Sun," the following vivid account of which appeared in " The Brighton Examiner" of July, 1870. The party referred to consisted of Mr. Campbell, the United States' Minister for Norway, and some other gentlemen who ascended a cliff 1,000 feet high, overlooking the Arctic Ocean -



What a splendid visible proof is the above description of the Sun revolving round a stationary Earth! There, in that high Norwegian latitude, these travellers saw from a lofty cliff, the Sun at Midnight passing in his journey, without having set at all, from one day into another, and proclaiming with effulgent brightness the grand beneficence of God. Thus, as the Poet sings

" Th' unwearied Sun from day to day,
Doth its Creator's power display.
And publishes in every land
The work of His Almighty hand."

Had poor Proctor been there I think he would never have written his " Pretty proof of the Earth's rotundity." Facts, such as those above narrated, are too strong to be resisted even by scientific prejudice. It would doubtless teach a useful lesson, as also afford a pleasant holiday, to some of our Astronomic friends, were they to take a trip to " The Land of the Midnight Sun " in one of the steamers advertized for that voyage in the newspapers. I think that they would return wiser than before they went, with less admiration for the hypothesis of Copernicus, with more reverence for the Word of God, and with more respect for common sense.

[cikljamas]

Al, where do you keep your brain, in the hydrocloric acid?

Look at me Al, look how strong and skilled i am: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubQ0id2FvCo

Croatian president plays Pinokio-Heliocentric instrument just for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruYCl0cJ2wU

Our president is a great composer also, just listen one of his insane composition : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS7ZuH6dQ88

Here is another one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0oOwPNO8jY

Regarding your state of mind i am sure you are going to like them...

Al, stand still, president Clinton is speaking

[aljhoa]

thanks for caring.

Here is his motivation http://www.energeticforum.com/z/cikljamas/

Here is useful "divide and conquer" psychopath in "pee-jamas" receiving his remuneration.

Al

[cikljamas]

@ Ernst, you are the most immoral liar and a coward that i have ever met (or heard of) in my whole life, you should candidate for the director of CIA.

Should i cry or should i laugh? Reading your last post was like watching the best moments of the "One flew over the cuckoo's nest" movie....

Too much beer doesn't do much good to you, didn't you know that when you drink so much you don't become any smarter, just drunker. How come you haven't built that kind of awareness up until now?

Let's get to the point:

Alleged rotational velocity of the Earth:

At North Pole = 0
At Oslo = 834 km/h
On the Equator = 1670 km/h

Alleged orbital velocity of the Earth = 108 000 km/h

Since the Earth (allegedly) rotates in the same direction in which she (allegedly) revolves around the Sun, greater orbital velocity means slower apparent motion of the Sun across the sky.

At North Pole we would observe great apparent motion of the Sun IN STRAIGHT LINE- EXCLUSIVELY (from RIGHT to LEFT)

At latitudes of Oslo we would witness moderate (speed) apparent (circular) motion of the Sun (from RIGHT TO LEFT) DUE TO ROTATIONAL VELOCITY. GREAT APPARENT MOTION OF THE SUN DUE TO EARTH'S ALLEGED ORBITAL MOTION WOULD BE SOMEWHAT NEUTRALIZED (OPTICAL EFFECT DUE REVOLUTION WOULD BE OVERPOWERED BY ROTATION OF THE EARTH) TO CERTAIN EXTENT WITH RESPECT TO THE OBSERVATIONAL POINT AT NORTH POLE.

On the Equator we should be able to observe TWICE faster (than at the latitudes of Oslo) apparent motion of the Sun (from RIGHT TO LEFT) DUE TO GREATER ROTATIONAL VELOCITY OF THE EARTH (then at the latitudes of Oslo).

BUT, IN ADDITION TO ABOVE DIFFERENCIES DUE TO DIFFERENT ROTATIONAL VELOCITIES (AT OSLO AND ON THE EQUATOR), WE WOULD HAVE COUNTER EFFECT AT BOTH LATITUDES DUE TO DIFFERENT (SEASONAL) ORBITAL VELOCITIES:

Due to alleged faster orbital motion of the Earth in winter (north "hemisphere") we would observe slower apparent motion of the Sun and vice versa, in summer (north "hemisphere) we would observe faster apparent motion of the Sun which would be contrary to what we can constantly observe in the sky.

At the North Pole we would observe much SLOWER apparent motion (IN STRAIGHT LINE (from right to left) EXCLUSIVELY) of the Sun (in July), and at the South Pole we would observe much FASTER apparent motion (IN STRAIGHT LINE (FROM LEFT TO RIGHT) EXCLUSIVELY) of the Sun in January!!!

BTW, IN WHAT DIRECTION YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT, LET'S SAY IN AUSTRALIA IN ORDER TO SEE SUN RISING FROM THE EAST???


As for the motion of the stars:

24 (hours) * 60 (minutes) = 1440 minutes
360 (degrees) / 1440 = 0,25 (degrees)
Daily orbital motion ( speed) of the stars = 0,25 degrees per minute = 15 degrees per hour

360/365 = (0.986 degrees)
Annual orbital motion (speed) of the stars = 0.986 degrees per day

IT is found by observation that the stars come to the meridian about four minutes earlier every twenty-four hours than the sun, taking the solar time as the standard.


The Sun's ("apparent") daily motion across the sky IS NOT a constant!!! Ernst, don't lie, shame on you!!!

Annual motion of all the stars above the Earth IS a constant!!! So, annual motion of all the stars above the Earth IS possible to observe. (in one way or another, doesn't really matter) Ernst, don't lie, shame on you!!![/quote]

If the Earth could speak, what do you think she would say to you?

GET OFF ME!

So long as our Astronomers are abetted by the Government, so long I fear, they will utter their discordant notes, and flaunt their rags of false science before the gaping multitude with a pride "that might make angels weep"!!!

[Hrothgar]

Formal apology

Sir, I formally apologize for my comments in post #466 I should have read the statement thoroughly. I have inserted the relevant response, Good day sir.

[TheoriaApophasis]

Since you have no arguments whatsoever, and you hate the truth

Yes, I have no proof the Earth is a sphere and not really a flat pancake.





This is one funny thread indeed

[Ernst]

cikljamas, I must admit that I interpreted your post about Sun-Earth-stars movement in a slightly different manner. But, having said that, you are still a liar.
There may be things that you do not understand, misinterpret, or simply do not know, but I have found a couple of occasions now, where you clearly understand a fact using it in an attempt to support your cause, and denying it when it undermines your cause. That is lying, knowingly present a distorted view of reality, and that is what you are doing.

I'll explain the Sun-Earth-stars movement issue, just to support your "monument of truth".
The Earth moves around the Sun (360 deg) in 365.2524 days, and around its axis (360 deg) in 1 day; the difference being 1/365.2425. Taken on a daily basis that amounts to 24 hours / 365.2425 = 3.942586 minutes. So the apparent movement of the Sun causes a delay of 3.942586 minutes with respect to the stars (that the Earth does NOT circle around).
No magic here.
Next, according to Keppler both the Earth's angular speed and the orbital velocity are not constant over a year. Both are higher (faster) when the Earth is nearer to the Sun. Thus the 3.942586 minutes are an average of a slightly varying difference. The variation however is very small.
Again, no magic.
Any, that is correct, ANY translatory movement of the Earth affects the 'virtual' location of the stars. The yearly parallax is the most well known and causes virtual movements of the stars in the order of a few micro seconds of an arc (remember?). What you are saying is that this minute movement is not a constant (sinusoid) movement, and you are right; it obviously isn't. But how are you going to verify this velocity of a few micro seconds of an arc per half a year? You KNOW it can not be done, you are not fooling anyone.

As you are so anxious to get rid of opposing thoughts in your thread, I will go too. I should have done so earlier but for a moment I really thought you were honestly trying to find the truth. You are not. You are using this ludicrous idea mainly to get attention and if you could "convert" someone that would be a huge bonus. Look at the score: you have to talk to yourself in order to get any "support" at all.

I have added quite a bit of info to your "monument of truth" which you have not yet answered to. So have a few others, including Hrothgar, whether you like it or not.
I will give you one more for the road:
Since you are so good with timetables from airliners, check this:
1 - flight time/distance Darwin-Melbourne (4:15)
2 - flight time/distance Brisbane-Perth (5:55)
Try to match that data with your flat Earth map.

Enjoy your thread.

Ernst.

[cikljamas]

that pretty much says it all. How "kind" of you.

I didn't mean literally, of course, what i really meant was: could you please stay away from this thread at least now after you refused to answer to the very same appeal that i have been repeating to you from the very first moment you (Flat Fish) and he (Hrothgar) came here with one and only mission: to provoke and harass members of this forum who are willing to stick to the subject of this thread?

Even now, after Admin's appeal to you, you still refuse to stay away from this thread, and that pretty much says it all. How "kind" of you.

You are not just incorrigible liars, you are either very evil persons, or utterly insane guys. Whether you are evil or just insane i can't help you, so once again: Would you be so kind and stay away from this thread??? Is it so hard for you to answer this simple and honest appeal?

Since you have no arguments whatsoever, and you hate the truth, all that you can do to ease your anger is to continue to provoke and harass all those who don't agree with your false heliocentric religion.

It is obvious what drives you and what is your motivation. Just leave this thread and it's sincere participants alone, just go, and don't came back any more!

Even a poo flinging chimp would understand and willingly answer to this appeal, isn't it shame for you to be intelectually lower than a retarded flinging chimp?

[Hrothgar]

Aww, Thanks for caring

Queen - Don't Try Suicide (LYRICS/HQ) - YouTube


Al

thanks for caring.

Here is his motivation http://www.energeticforum.com/z/cikljamas/

[aljhoa]

"suggesting" that I take my own life.

Queen - Don't Try Suicide (LYRICS/HQ) - YouTube


Al

[Hrothgar]

again topsy turvy

@ Hrothgar, why don't you just kill yourself, you would make a big favor to the world...

@ Aaron, i wonder how long are you going to tolerate this kind of trolling, spamming, roughly insulting other people, etc... before you decide to restrict access to this thread to certain kind of obviously terribly sick people?

Thanks!

While I am sure that you had the candor to ask yourself before you posted (as I often do) WWJDW "Who Would Jesus Death Wish." Unlike you I've never been able to come up with an acceptable instance to do so. I simply hope that I can inspire individuals that I encounter to expand their point of view.

That said, you violate one of the very restrictions in the same post, calling to the mediator that you want in-forced by wishing me dead ie "suggesting" that I take my own life. Going further down the rabbit hole you, in the very sentence to the mediator describe us "obviously terribly sick people"

You state "The truth will prevail!!!" and you have made it known on more than one occasion that you base your belief on biblical sources. That said, is it even appropriate that this thread is in an energy forum? Would this not be more your territory if it were in the Psychic & Paranormal or General Discussion forums? After all those forums may be more open to your style of factual substitution. In fact you might find a substantial increase of supporters in those forums as there would be no need of the standard hassles of repeatable or verifiable data or scientific process. I am sorry you couldn't be bothered to answer my simple question that once answered could help keep thousands on the path to truth.

[TheoriaApophasis]

@ Hrothgar, why don't you just kill yourself,
Thanks!

that pretty much says it all. How "kind" of you.

[cikljamas]

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