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[ethan]

Spherical

Wind resistance will alter the shape of any semi-liquid form being pulled by gravity.
Im sure nothing is actually spherical being dropped inside the atmosphere. Probably more oval.

....ok lets argue some of your "facts".....

If the Earth was rotating fast enough to complete 360 degrees every 24 hours, the atmosphere would long ago have been hurtled away.

If an object were dropped from the tip of the atmosphere, it would hit the ground within...lets say...a half hour.

60mi thick atmosphere
120mph terminal velocity

That means earth would basically have to rotate 360 degrees within 30 minutes for its centrifugal force to become stronger than gravity and "hurtle away" its own atmosphere.

Earths gravity = Centripetal Force....Is greater than....Earths rotation = Centrifugal Force

Earth Centrifugal Force is already extremely weak. Then take into consideration, your talking about its affects on the atmosphere (highly energetic gaseous molecules) which is rotating with earth due to viscous drag. Then take into account the mass of gaseous molecules is extremely small.

What you end up with are incorrect assumptions and calculations by Dr. Shaban

the angular velocity becomes greater at higher altitude

angular velocity is based on angular momentum which is based on....mass

the higher the atmosphere altitude the thinner is gets which means it has less mass...which reduces the angular velocity.

So at 500 km (about 311 miles above sea level) the pressure of the atmosphere (gas) would be greater than at sea level....The greatest pressure is at the farthest point from the center of the rotating body or part.

Unless that rotating body (atmosphere) is extremely light, exerting very little centrifugal force. Not to mention the higher the altitude, is the less amount of atmosphere above it, which reduces the pressure due to less atmospheric weight above it.

Heavier elements and molecules would be driven outward. That means there would be relatively more oxygen than hydrogen at high altitudes

No. Gravity is stronger than the centrifugal force. Gravity wins.
Oxygen is heavier and naturally settles lower.
Throw a water balloon onto a pile of empty balloons. The heavy one sinks.

Since we know that actual atmospheric pressure decreases with altitude instead, the Earth cannot be rotating and have the atmosphere we know.

Earth does rotate. Gravity produces a centripetal force which counteracts earths rotational centrifugal force. Its all relative to everything within the earth which makes its interaction hard to measure, even more so for gas particles which practically have no mass.

The atmosphere does rotate with the earth at the same speed due to viscous drag.
The atmosphere is a gas, which means it does not react to angular velocity, gravity, or centrifugal forces to the same degree as solid mass (like us, or centrifugal pumps) does.

"attraction of cohesion" (not "attraction of gravitation "), which is verylimited in its operation.
Its action is confined to small quantities of matter

Scale is relative. Larger scale would require more time to attract and cohere.
Larger molten shots, need to be dropped higher. Tropical storms rain too much water from too short a distance. ECT...

Earth...had millions of years to complete the semi-liquid cohesion.

...................................

OK im done with the "Flat Earth Theory". Its as real as the tooth fairy.

Answer these questions...
What happens when you get to the edge?
Why has no one ever seen the edge?
Why does the sun rotate like a sphere? Its equator does infact rotate faster than its poles (like a giant sphere)

[ethan]

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[cikljamas]

Spherical
....ok lets argue some of your "facts".....

Answer these questions...
What happens when you get to the edge?
Why has no one ever seen the edge?
Why does the sun rotate like a sphere? Its equator does infact rotate faster than its poles (like a giant sphere)

Well, first of all, you have to understand what you are talking about when you use exotic words like "gravity" is. Do you really think you have at least slightest idea of what gravity really represents and/or how it really works?

Well, maybe you should read this before you answer:
Read more: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...-mc-2-a-8.html

But even if you were right, your inescapable position would still be situated between these two equally lethal positions:

1.2. On the other hand, if the atmosphere doesn't move along with the spinning Earth or if it's properties were of a such kind that there would be no atmospheric resistance (in the air) for flying objects then you have to be able to explain away this issue:

The earth is not rotating - spinning.

and this:

THE EARTH NO AXIAL OR ORBITAL MOTION.

What happens when you get to the edge?

You have to come back if you want to stay alive.

Why has no one ever seen the edge?

Read more: http://www.energeticforum.com/254554-post297.html

Do not skip this: Eric Dollard: THE SUN IS TRANSFORMING FROM ANOTHER DIMENSION #1

In above post you have the answers to you third question too...

Read more: Airy's Failure Reconsidered

One can reconstruct the origin of these numbers by doing a little geometry, starting from a flat earth hypothesis. Remember the experiment of Eratosthenes, who measured the angular elevation of the sun at two latitudes in Egypt? He assumed that the sun was effectively infinitely far away (or at least so far compared to the earth's size that the actual distance didn't matter). Then he calculated the diameter of the earth using a second assumption: that the earth was spherical.

But suppose you abandon Eratosthenes' two assumptions, and adopt instead the assumption that the earth is flat. Then, triangulation from the same data gives the distance to the sun: 3000 miles! See how a simple change of assumptions can drastically alter the entire cosmos? However, the round earth was more than an arbitary assumption for Eratosthenes, for he and his contemporaries, had other very good reasons for knowing the earth was round. [Textbooks sometimes mislead by suggesting that his experiment was designed to prove the earth was a sphere. It was not, it was only intended to measure the size of the sphere.]

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Round earth theory debunked in less than 2 minutes - YouTube

Al

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[aljhoa]

Al-Al, you think you can race with me?

This is a preconceived notion.

Well, let me introduce myself to you: alal vera kako ga chera Did you notice that guy on a sagway? Were that you?...

A picture is worth a thousand words. Napoleon Bonaparte



@cikljamas, what do you see in the above photo?

Al

[cikljamas]

This is a preconceived notion.

Al, i didn't say that because i think i am very smart guy, i said that to challenge not just you but everyone who will ever read this thread. In other words i do not think i am very smart guy, i just know i am 100 % right!!!

My real hero is mr Samuel Birley Rowbotham a.k.a. Paralax. He dedicated his life to prove that the surface of the earth is flat, and he really proved that fact beyond any reasonable doubt! THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. ROWBOTHAM, YOU WERE ONE OF A KIND, NO, YOU ARE ONE OF A KIND, YOU ARE REAL SAINT MAN who will dwell in Heaven with your TRUE GOD forever and ever! Here is his picture:

@cikljamas, what do you see in the above photo?

In above photo i see below photo:



Learn Al, learn: EXAMINATION OF THE SO-CALLED "PROOFS" OF THE EARTH'S ROTUNDITY.--WHY A SHIP'S HULL DISAPPEARS BEFORE THE MAST-HEAD.

Al, what do you see in next photo:



Let me help you with this little clue: It is about "dipping needle" and my graphic interpretation of needle acting (decreasing/increasing needle angle at different degrees of latitudes) on supposed rotund Earth. Compare it with the diagram (fig. 87.) and related description in the first-opening post of this thread.

[cikljamas]

One more example of round-earther's inconsistency

DEFLECTION OF FALLING BODIES.

"The falling of bodies from high places is a further proof of the daily rotation of the earth. By this motion everything upon the earth describes a circle, which is larger in proportion as the object is raised above the surface; and as everything moves round in the same time, the greater the elevation of the object, the faster it will travel; so that the top of a house or hill moves faster than its base. It is found then that when a body descends from a high place, say a few hundred feet, it does not fall exactly beneath the spot it left, but a little to the east .of it. This could not happen unless the earth had a motion from west to east. Were the earth stationary the body would fall immediately under the place it left."

The above "argument" for the earth's daily motion ought to be anything but satisfactory, even to its propounders; because it is the reverse of another "argument"--advanced for the same purpose, see page 63; it is not supported by uniform experimental results; the greatest amount of deflection which has ever been observed is a mere trifle compared with that which ought to be found according to the theory of rotation; and, lastly, because special experiment gives evidence directly against the supposition of diurnal motion.

WHAT IS ON PAGE 63:

IF a ball is allowed to drop from the mast-head of a ship at rest, it will strike the deck at the foot of the mast. If the same experiment is tried with a ship in motion, the same result will follow; because, in the latter case, the ball is acted upon simultaneously by two forces at right angles to each other--one, the momentum given to it by the moving ship in the direction of its own motion; and the other, the force of gravity, the direction of which is at right angles to that of the momentum. The ball being acted upon by the two forces together, will not go in the direction of either, but will take a diagonal course, as shown in the following diagram, fig. 46.

It is argued by those who hold that the earth is a revolving globe, that if a ball is dropped from the mouth of a deep mine, it reaches the bottom in an apparently vertical direction, the same as it would if the earth were motionless. In the same way, and from the same cause, it is said that a ball allowed to drop from the top of a tower, will fall at the base. Admitting the fact that a ball dropped down a mine, or let fall from a high tower, reaches the bottom in a direction parallel to the side of either, it does not follow therefrom that the earth moves. It only follows that the earth might move, and yet allow of such a result. It is certain that such a result would occur on a stationary earth; and it is mathematically demonstrable that it would also occur on a revolving earth; but the question of motion or non-motion--of which is the fact it does not decide. It gives no proof that the ball falls in a vertical or in a diagonal direction. Hence, it is logically valueless. Page 63: Zetetic Astronomy, Earth Not A Globe: Chapter III. The Earth No Axial or Orbital Motion

It has been argued already (see above quote from the page 63) that a body let fall down a coal pit, or from a high tower, does not deflect, but falls parallel to the side of the pit or tower, on account of the conjoint action of the earth's centrifugal force, and the force of gravity. It is said that at the moment it is liberated, and begins to fall by gravity, it receives an impulse at right angles to gravity, and therefore really falls in a diagonal direction. Thus what is affirmed in one place is contradicted in another! Inconsistency is ever the companion of falsehood. Again, when experiments have been tried, it has been found that a body has sometimes been out of the vertical a little to the east, sometimes to the west and north and south, and sometimes not at all. The amount, when it has been observed, has been very small, very far less than it ought to have been if it had resulted from the earth's rotation.

Thus it is admitted that deflection from a height of 300 feet "is so small as to be practically inappreciable;" that "great heights are necessary for giving only a deviation of one-tenth part of an inch;" that when this amount was observed, "at the same time deviation to the south was given, which was not in accordance with the mathematical calculations;" that "the experiments have considerable discrepancies among themselves;" that "the experiments differed very much;" that "after all there can be no doubt that our knowledge on this subject is imperfect;" that on repeating the experiments with the utmost possible care down a shaft of 1320 feet in depth, the bullets did not fall easterly at all from the plummets, "but from 10 to 20 inches south of the plumb-line," and out of forty-eight bullets, forty-four fell "on the south side of the shaft, in situations which precluded exact measurements of the distances being taken;" and, finally, that puzzled mathematicians, with their ever ready ingenuity to make facts agree with the wildest of theories, even with those of a directly opposite character, conclude that "falling bodies may have either north, south, east, or west deflection from the plumb-line." What value can such uncertain and conflicting evidence possess in the minds of reasoning men? They are shameless logicians, indeed, who contend that, from such results, the earth is proved to have a diurnal rotation! Read more: Zetetic Astronomy, Earth Not A Globe: Chapter XIV. Examination of the So-Called ''Proofs'' of the Earth's Rotundity: Deflection of Falling Bodies

Any comment is superfluous!!!

[aljhoa]

, i just know i am 100 % right!!!

You did not describe the posted photo
showing vertical (i.e. perpendicular)
chemical trail of a "racket" flying towards ground,
prove that my version is wrong.

Al

[cikljamas]

You did not describe the posted photo
showing vertical (i.e. perpendicular)
chemical trail of a "racket" flying towards ground,
prove that my version is wrong.

Al

Well, it seems to me we just do not understand each other

Al, i know: perpendicular = vertical, but you didn't get the point...

If the needle is in a horizontal position (since "dipping needle" instrument is kind of a vertical compass) it means that the needle is in a perpendicular or vertical position on it's axis (on it's vertical line).

Since the needle is in a horizontal position in "dipping needle" instrument while we are on the equator it seems that the needle points to sky (see figure 87. in the first post), and not towards north magnetic pole.

In my diagram you can see where (at what latitude) we should expect needle to be in a horizontal position (perpendicular to the vertical line of a "dipping needle" instrument). Somewhere in north Canada or north Sweden or north Russia, but not on the equator (as it is in reality).

In addition, on a globe acting of a "dipping needle" instrument would be in chaotic manner (increasing-decreasing-increasing etc...), but on the flat Earth we would expect linear-gradual-steady-continuous decreasing of the angle (of the needle) as we go away farther from north magnetic pole to south, and vice versa. And that is exactly how dipping needle instrument works. So, where are we? On a globe, or on a plane surface of the Earth?

[cikljamas]

ARCS OF THE MERIDIAN.

The discrepancies and anomalies so often observed in pendulum experiments, have led the followers of Newton to seek the desired evidence in measurements of arcs of the meridian; but here again they are even more unfortunate than in their efforts with the pendulum. It is certain that the question when attempted to be answered by such measurements, is less satisfactory than was expected, and in many respects the results are contradictory.

How strange it appears, that one of the most ingenious mathematicians the world ever produced, assumed for certain purposes that the earth was a globe, that it revolved, that its revolutions caused the fluid and plastic matter of its substance to determine towards the equator--causing it to "bulge out" to a greater extent than the diameter in the direction of the axis, and therefore the circumference at the equator must be greater than the circumference at right angles, or in the direction of latitude; or, in other words, that the degrees of latitude must diminish towards the poles, and yet "men of the greatest skill," with "instruments of the most perfect construction," having availed themselves of "all that science can do," have succeeded in making measurements the most exact "ever made on the face of the earth," have found results the very reverse of all that the Newtonian theory deemed essential to its consistency and perfection! Instead of the degrees diminishing towards the pole they were found to increase; as if the earth were egg-shaped or prolonged through its axis, and not, like an orange, flattened at the sides--"as if;" to use more scientific language, "the earth were an oblong instead of an oblate spheroid."



The fallacy involved in all the attempts to prove the oblate spheroidal form of the earth, is, that the earth is first assumed to be a globe, the celestial surface above it to be concave, and the plumb-lines to be radii. If this were the true condition of things, then all the degrees of latitude would be the same in length; and if the earth were really "flattened at the poles," the degrees would certainly shorten in going from the equator towards the north. If, however, the celestial surface is not concave, but horizontal, two plumb-lines suspended north and south of each other would be parallel, and would indicate equal length in all the degrees of latitude, thereby spewing the earth to be parallel with the celestial surface, and therefore a plane. The differences required by a globe are not found in practice, but such as a plane would produce are invariably found. Hence the failure of geodesy becomes evidence against rotundity, but demonstrating that the earth is parallel to the horizontal heavens, and therefore of mathematical and logical necessity A PLANE. It is ever the case, when falsehood is tested in the crucible of experiment, that its value is diminished or destroyed, whilst the contrary is the case with truth, which, like gold, the more intense the fire of criticism the more brilliant it appears.

Read more: ARCS OF THE MERIDIAN

[aljhoa]

Well, it seems to me we just do not understand each other

In my diagram you can see where (at what latitude) we should expect needle to be in a horizontal position (perpendicular to the vertical line of a "dipping needle" instrument). Somewhere in north Canada or north Sweden or north Russia, but not on the equator (as it is in reality).

The altitude of the North Star, which is not visible below the equator (i.e. an "end"/"edge" of the Northern Hemisphere ),
changes with the latitude of the observer therefore, this proves that the Earth is almost spherical.



Timelapse labels. IRIS - Proyecto Daedalus - 04 - YouTube



Al

[cikljamas]

The altitude of the North Star, which is not visible below the equator (i.e. an "end"/"edge" of the Northern Hemisphere ),
changes with the latitude of the observer therefore, this proves that the Earth is almost spherical.



Timelapse labels. IRIS - Proyecto Daedalus - 04 - YouTube

Al

The North Star IS visible below the equator, but it shouldn't be and it couldn't be visible if the Earth were spherical!!! Do you read what i write and quote here (at all)? http://www.energeticforum.com/255804-post2.html

We are in 2014., remember, so where is your (at least one) solid proofs of the Earth's rotundity???

You can not have any proof such that, because you should first disprove 1000 irrefutable proofs of the Earth's flatness!

I haven't seen any disproof such that, until now.

Become famous, and show us your rotund proofs, but reasonable one, not stupid one, that's all i ask of you rotund guys!

Is it too much for you? If the answer is "yes" then stay rotund and happy!

And, don't worry, nobody will notice that there is no wind on the surface of the Earth that constantly blows 1600 km/h...

[cikljamas]

Why?

By now, you surely have already asked yourself: WHY?

1. SECRET SPACE PROGRAM

2. The True History and Purpose of NASA

3. ADMIRAL BIRD - OPERATION HIGH-JUMP:

We are abandoning the region after making important geographical discoveries.

4.







The Children of the DevilHe was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him.That's why!!!

[aljhoa]

The North Star IS visible below the equator,

We are in 2014., remember, so where is your (at least one) solid proofs of the Earth's rotundity???

Polaris is not visible about 1+23.5degrees below the "edge" of the NH where the "son" points North (bin there done that).



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Al

[cikljamas]

JEBIGA, promaklo!


I will translate it later...

[aljhoa]

All Sky from Both Hemispheres

The two all-sky views compared how the sky looks in a winter night of Turkey in northern hemisphere (left)
and in a similar winter night of New Zealand in the southern hemisphere (right).
Click on the constellation icon above the image to see all the labels and constellation lines.
At left the Milky Way and the zodiacal light are captured from Sinekci Pass in Toros Mountains of southern Turkey, on the way to Kas by the Mediterranean coast.
The right side image is made from Tongariro National Park, the oldest protected area in New Zealand and also a UNESCO World Heritage Site.
At a dark site over Lake Rotoaira just south of greater Lake Taupo on New Zealand's North Island, the Milky Way bridges across the southern sky in its all beauty.
Our galactic neighbors the Large and Small Magellanic Clouds stands above the southern horizon.
Bright stars of Alpha and Beta Centauri are at the lower right, near the Southern Cross. Tunc Tezel
"All Sky from Both Hemispheres" by Tunc Tezel (TWAN)

http://twanight.org/newTWAN/photos/3002865-g.jpg

Al