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[TheoriaApophasis]

yes, the earth is flat, Apollo proof

[Hrothgar]

Ernst, I sooooo

envy you, you get to debate the "sanish" one.

[Ernst]

My goodness, what are you talking about Ernst? Aren't you aware how small value of 20 arcs of a second really is?

Guilty as charged! I have no idea. I do know "arcseconds" and "seconds of an arc", but I have no idea what "arcs of a second" are.
If you can manage, read this.

I am also quite surprised to see that even this is beyond you.
Let me show you.
The distance to Polaris is estimated at at least 325 light-years. (A)
The distance Earth-Sun is about 8 light-minutes. So the distance Earth-in-July - Earth-in-January is about 16 light-minutes (B).
There are 365.242 days in a year, so 325 light-years are 118703.65 light-days.
There are 1440 minutes in a day, so 118703.65 light-days are 1.70933 . 10⁸ light-minutes.
Calculate B/A, will give you 9.36037 .10⁻⁸, which is the tangent of an angle of 0.02 seconds of an arc. So if you meant arcseconds by "arcs of a seconds" then your value of 20 is still 1000x too large. You should have said "milli-arcseconds" or "mas".
Until you use a tube that disallows the yearly parallax, your argument is void.
The fact that you can not even figure this out, nor come up with correct numbers proves again that a discussion on facts is utterly useless, because you don't understand even the simplest math.

And of course, had you been able to offer plausible and reasonable answer to my very first challenge to you (in our untried serious discussion) you would have become more famous than Einstein, and you know it.

Proving that the sky is blue will not bring me fame, I am sure!

Goodby Ernst, and repent!

This is really odd in an scientific discussion based on scientific facts. But This explains it:

However, if FET ever turned up to be false then the Bible should be discarded as authentic Word of God.

I have enough courage to say that, and you won't find more than just a few Christians in the whole world who would have so much courage to assert what i just have asserted.

Am i fair enough, what do you think?

Yes, now you are fair enough. I thought this was a scientific discussion based on facts. But now I see it is a religious discussion based on faith (oops, perhaps I should not use that word).

Now, repent and redeem and revenge and deploy and rumble thee forth to the land of the unbelieving scum on the other side. 'Cause they don't go for what is in the Book and that makes them BAD. So verily we must choppeth them up and stompeth them down! Or rent a nice French bomb to poof them out of existence, while leaving their real estate just where we need it, to use again for temples in which to praise our God. 'Cause He can really take care of business!

(guess what the name of that song is)

One more thought to share: In your flat Earth model the Sun would never disappear below the horizon. (yeah, I know, 3rd rate evidence)

This terminates my confessions to you Father cikljamas!


Ernst.

[TheoriaApophasis]

You are talking about Faith as if it were a scale of validity of belief.

Ohhh my pathetic child.

You are talking about empirical senses as a SCALE of VALIDITY

Illusionists make their living off of suckers like you who trust their senses

Sick people taste sweet things as salty,....... some people with brain issues can actually SMELL COLORS (misfiring in the brain)


tell me WHICH ONE OF YOUR SENSES can 'sniff' out ETHER INERTIA

The most POWERFUL ENERGY in the universe, and your pathetic empirical senses are USELESS to detect it.

Psyche! "Face the facts the cat is dead"
.

Pathetic child, none of your senses can tell if any cat from afar is dead or alive.

The empirical constituents of a DEAD CAT are 100% the same as a LIVING one.

same weight,
same quanta. No difference.
Qualifications are trans-empirical, son.

Faith is a WORD son, drop the words and open your brain (if you have one, which i highly doubt).

What you call faith I call certainty,

There is no such thing as empirical certainty son. It cannot exist, it doesnt exist, it cannot definitionally exist.

Plato said this
Aristotle said this

All the wisest minds of history have declared this.


You, son, are NO PLATO





(Your 10 year old's avatar doesn't help your case any either).

[Hrothgar]

[TheoriaApophasis]

Faith is accepting that fiction is fact.

that statement proves how pathetically delusional you are .

Ive already warned you there are 2 modalities of FAITH, nonsense and logical varieties.

I mind remind your myopic and delusional fanny that any pathetic human who relies on the defectual empirical senses as a point of verity is ignorant in the hyperbolic.

Illusionists make their money and bread off such deluded minds.

[Hrothgar]

blah blah blah

I work on simple dichotomy to compare to make distinction to facilitate communication which requires multiple participants and not one person having oratory sex with dead languages.

fact vs. fiction Fact is established (what you might considered founded faith), Fiction is a preconceived of the imagination. over the past century a good bit of fictional speculation has been turned into fact.

Faith is accepting that fiction is fact. Once it is established by repeatable proof it is fact. Fact cannot be fiction as it no longer fits the criteria to those who have seen the proof. Grounded faith as you call it is fact.

spiritualism= Buddha = building your house without a blueprint

religion = blueprint with no measurements = how get to the here after, But you can only do it with faith as fact would tell you to go home and not deal with these losers.

[cikljamas]

@ Al, few pages back, i have shown you (considering "Southern Cross case") why i suspect on the authenticity of these "South Pole" photographs...

If these photographs turned out to be authentic then it would present serious problem for FET, although even then it wouldn't cause automatic rejection of the whole FET, and it wouldn't cause any problem at all for geocentrism as such.

However, if FET ever turned up to be false then the Bible should be discarded as authentic Word of God.

I have enough courage to say that, and you won't find more than just a few Christians in the whole world who would have so much courage to assert what i just have asserted.

Am i fair enough, what do you think?

[aljhoa]

"Star Trails over Ilha Grande" (DreamView)

Ilha Grande is located off the coast of Rio de Janeiro state and it is largely preserved and noted for its scenic beauty. The island is one of the most pristine remnants of Brazil's Atlantic rainforest and one of the richest ecosystems in the world.

The above Star-Trails showing the South Pole are from Rio de Janeiro state ,
Master @cikljamas do you agree?


Al

[cikljamas]

My goodness, what are you talking about Ernst? Aren't you aware how small value of 20 arcs of a second really is?

And of course, had you been able to offer plausible and reasonable answer to my very first challenge to you (in our untried serious discussion) you would have become more famous than Einstein, and you know it.

So, since you are not stupid person, your only possible reasonable choice (respond to my challenge to you) was to completely evade this untried serious discussion and escape to your heliocentric dream.

Now, maybe we should recall your own very recent words that you wrote this morning:

Where does morality enter this game?

Do I miss something here? What makes you think I am pissed off? Trust me on this, I'm cool!

This conversation is getting a little bit weird-ish!
What thoughts are you talking about?
Why on Earth (flat or not) should I repent????

What is happening here, cikljamas?
You have completely lost me!

Ernst.

[Ernst]

cikljamas,

You have not answered any of my questions.

O.K., if you are so perfectly relaxed then i would infer that it means that you are ready to examine my arguments one by one...

No. Being perfectly relaxed is not the same thing as being totally at your service.

So, this is first argument that you have to answer to Ernst if you are so relaxed and ready for serious discussion!!!

I can handle a serious discussion, so much is true, but as we agreed (I repeat it for the 3rd time now) there is no basis for a serious discussion here and I have also explained why I think so.

As for your argument: Please look up the distance Sun-Polaris, call this A. Next look-up the distance Earth-in-July - Earth-in-January call this B.
Calculate B/A.
Make a tube of diameter D and length L such that D/L < B/A.
Use this tube in your experiment and see it fail.

Now, it was a real pleasure, cikljamas. Enjoy your discussion with the others here.

Ernst.

[cikljamas]

Really??? What fact did I distort?

Where does morality enter this game?

Do I miss something here? What makes you think I am pissed off? Trust me on this, I'm cool!

This conversation is getting a little bit weird-ish!
What thoughts are you talking about?
Why on Earth (flat or not) should I repent????

What is happening here, cikljamas?
You have completely lost me!


Ernst.

O.K., if you are so perfectly relaxed then i would infer that it means that you are ready to examine my arguments one by one...

So, how about this argument:

Not only that nobody is (and never will be) able to answer to this question: What could be the possible cause for fixed spatial orientation of the Earth's axis?...but "fixed spatial orientation of the Earth's axis" is also the ultimate flaw in heliocentric theory, and now i am going to show you HOW and WHY:

Now, in which direction the Earth's axis is oriented at July 3th comparing it with January 3th? It's oriented in the same direction isn't it? You have to be aware that the so called celestial equator presents the same plane which cuts the Earth's "equator". That is to say that the Earth is really the center of the Stellatum. All stars are centered to the Earth, there is no doubt about that.

What we have to determine is HOW and WHY all stars shifts 180 degree at January 3th with respect to their position above the Earth at July 3th.

Heliocentrists assert that the 180 degree shift of all the stars with respect to the Earth happens due to for 180 degree (also) changed position of the Earth with respect to the Sun.

Now, we just don't care about the position of the Sun, because when we look up to the sky at midnight January 3th we see 180 degrees shifted stars with respect to their position which had been at midnight July 3th.

The Earth still stays in exactly the same geometrical position with respect to the allegedly fixed stars, the only difference is that the Earth has been moved straight forward (from the geometrical point of view) for certain amount of miles (negligible regarding position of practically endlessly distant stars (according to heliocentrist's dreams)) after she had allegedly bypassed the Sun making half a circle around it.

So, the Earth is in exactly the same geometrical position at midnight January 3th as it was at the midnight July 3th.

In order to be shifted for any degree with respect to the Earth (which is still in exactly the same geometrical position after alleged 6 month revolution around the Sun), all the stars have to turn around the fixed Earth.
So, this is first argument that you have to answer to Ernst if you are so relaxed and ready for serious discussion!!!

[TheoriaApophasis]

Theoria, your mental illness

talk of flat earth and talking snakes.


Yes, you're the sane one here



Seriously. Take whatever meds it is you stopped taking.

[cikljamas]

Theoria, your mental illness perfectly fits demands for joining ISIL, why don't you join to those bastards so that you can abuse whoever cross your path???

Come on, get out from here, and ask for help urgently, you are seriously mentally sick person!!!

[Ernst]

You know Ernst, given your ability of reasonable thinking i could say that you are the only one person who came by to this thread (beside/after Saros) so far, with who i could seriously discuss,....

I'm flattered, but didn't we just both agree that there was no basis for a serious discussion?

... but what is so terribly ironic and tragic is your relentless readiness to absolutely distort facts, and to "scientifically" forge whole reality....

Really??? What fact did I distort?

...Thus you are perfect example of typical contemporary - utterly immoral scientist!..

Where does morality enter this game?

... I have presented you whole bunch of very simple and very irrefutable evidence, but the simplicity and obviousness of these simple arguments is what makes you (and your immoral friends) so nervous for numerous reasons....

What makes you think I'm nervous? I feel so extremely relaxed...
And why should I be nervous? For what reason?
The only reason I can think of right now is the simplicity of your errors and the fact that there are actually people who fall for this. Yet, it is also this simplicity that gives me faith that you will one day put all this behind you. As I said, these ideas are incompatible with intelligence, and I do not believe you are devoid of intelligence. So I see no reason for excitement of whatever kind.

... Which one among numerous reasons is the one that piss you off the most? ...

Do I miss something here? What makes you think I am pissed off? Trust me on this, I'm cool!

... Share your thoughts with me Ernst and repent....

This conversation is getting a little bit weird-ish!
What thoughts are you talking about?
Why on Earth (flat or not) should I repent????

What is happening here, cikljamas?
You have completely lost me!


Ernst.