Do-ability and the ethics of "free energy"

[Tarkus]

A brave new world, really

What about a 4th grade class given magnets to play and experiment with for a month, some what guided, not being told what they can't do, but rather asked what they thought they could do? I'd bet on some very interesting answers.
I think that when the widget comes into being, that shipping goods across oceans will become for the most part obsolete, and that China will help in that process. I also hold the hope that the new economy that will arise will value the human being above what he/she owns or has in the bank.
All of it though will hinge greatly, on shifting the thinking of people so that more will participate with this evolution. The only way I have to lead effectively, without hypocrisy, is by example, hence my lifestyle and what I devote what little spare time I have to. Sharing with anyone interested, encouraging what ever steps they may want to take in a similar direction.
Speak from your hearts, they'l hear you.
Just musing

[BroMikey]

Third world

I'm starting this thread for an number of reasons.
.................................................. .................................................. ............................................. probably won't be available to the masses ever, due to a few limiting factors.
Complicated, need for large scale manufacturing/infrastructure change over, rare or hard to come by materials, can't be spread fast enough, too easy to squash buy those who own the existing MS (malignant system)

Profits/ownership: I view the patent office as the greatest hindrance to our energy freedom (as well as other things) from the concept of "I'm going to save the world" but everyone has to pay me to do it?

will continue later slave master cracking whip. back to work

Hello Tarkus

Complicated and confusing is right. I think many poor people in poor countries feel this way but they don't see the complications in our country. They think the USA is just greedy and spoiled.

They are are, well many of them are compared to the next guy.

Equality is the issue. A fair shake is so often not possible in our system that the only people that can earn a living and actually pay for everything are the ones who have a 4 year degree. And even they have a hard time.

When we speak of FE or OU we are talking about freeing up the people from the bondage to petrol. Gas for your car gas for your furnace and so on.

Even in the event we did get free energy there would still always be inequality because of the desire of man to be the biggest and the baddest plus the riches not caring who else is out of money and can not buy very good food this week.

Inequality is what causes one man to get millions in one company while all of the workers are poor, having to live off beans and bread.

Of course the rational is "I am worth more than these stupid pee ons" and so forth

Mike

[barbosi]

And just to adds a little to Aaron's posts. .........
Aaron said in Post #7 that the real thing holding people back is the "ideo-motor trance." I totally agree.........

Dear Peter & Co.,
Here is in your own words, and it starts at minute 18:15 "radiant energy ....... was the terminology used at the time ........ for the last 10 years". Please allow me say it out loud, that was your commercially oriented terminology, not Tesla's.

It looks to me that at that time of Q&A session you were dropping the concept of "Tesla's radiant energy" as being "misunderstood" as it was a liability issue for y'all. Despite that, I have to remind you that you literally (and visually) have sold that idea for years and years to every new comers into the free energy arena. Even to this day, followers still believe in your "terminology used at the time" (please search for term "radiant" in recent topics on this forum).

Despite that, it sounded resonable at the time to call your products Tesla chargers "in memory of Tesla which we admire, but in fact [sorry] it has nothing to do with what Tesla was trying to teach us about radiant energy, however we respectfully use his name anyway because this is an ideo-motor trance that will help our business".

So you say, now you are in solar energy business as a new niche to be exploited? Are you pushing for a new ideo-motor trance? Chargers are dead already as your lifestyle maintainer? Or that is a new division of the business? Sun is radiant anyway, right?

Anyway, if you could accept my view, here is the way to go if you dare:


In the end please say "thank you" for the zest I put in the website with my posting, as it would pay you for each click.

Regards.

[Peter Lindemann]

Misunderstanding

Dear Peter & Co.,
Here is in your own words, and it starts at minute 18:15 "radiant energy ....... that was the terminology used at the time ........ for the last 10 years".

It looks to me that at the time of Q&A session you were dropping the concept of "Tesla's radiant energy" charging as being misunderstood as a liability issue for y'all. Despite that you literally have sold the idea that you know what were you talking about for years and years to every new comers into the free energy arena. Even to this day, followers still believe in your "terminology used at the time" (please search for term "radiant" in recent topics on this forum).

At the time, it sounded like "we still call our products Tesla chargers in memory of Tesla which we admire, but [sorry] it has nothing to do with what Tesla was trying to teach us about radiant energy, however we respectfully use his name anyway because this is an ideo-motor trance that will help our business".

So, now you are in solar energy business as a new niche to be exploited? Are you pushing for a new ideo-motor trance? Chargers are dead already as your lifestyle maintainer?

Dear Barbosi,

I watched that clip you linked to and I think I gave an accurate, historically correct review of where the "Radiant Energy" chargers came from and how they developed into the technology that John's company is currently manufacturing. John's company does not sell to the public. They have always relied on independent distributors to handle order processing and customer service. Aaron and I started Tesla Chargers to provide those services to John's company and we currently account for a significant amount of their total sales. We simply sell the product line that John's company manufactures. If you believe it is important to criticize me for that in a public forum, then I believe you have projected your own misunderstandings on me.

Your post is really off topic here, as we were discussing free energy "do-ability and ethics". The fact that Aaron and I are involved in a company that sells electronic devices to people who want to buy them should not open us up to the sort of superficial evaluation and personal criticism you are posting here.

What you are missing is all of the history and context. Before Gerry Vassilatos starting publishing on "Radiant Energy" topics in 1996, nobody knew what Tesla was talking about. Later, I correlated that to the work of Ed Gray in 2001, which brought John Bedini and I together to work on his technology with the small, regenerative electric motors called the SG. Since the SG could charge a battery while running from a battery, that naturally lead to the technology being used for battery charging in a solid-state form and the rest has developed in public view since 2004.

Your penchant of taking small "sound bites" out of my post, without really caring what I was communicating, and twisting my words and spinning them back out in a way that is meant to convey to other readers here that you are somehow in possession of an important incite into my character that they are all to be alerted to is pure non-sense. It is nothing more than preposterous presumption on your part. You don't know me and you don't know anything about how hard I have worked over the last 40 years to understand FE technology and share those understandings with everyone, including you.

The informational content of everything I have published is now "open sourced" and in the public domain. Only the specific FORM of the publication, such as a "book" or "filmed lecture" is copyrighted and protected from copying. Anyone learning the material is free to do whatever they want with it for the rest of their lives. The only thing they CAN'T do is steal the book or lecture. That you feel the need to criticize me and imply that my character is somehow flawed because I have cared enough to educate others on these topics is ........ BIZARRE!

I wish you all of the LOVE and Spiritual LIGHT that the Infinite Being has Eternally planned to be yours. I also wish you Peace in your heart and Understanding in your mind. As we all move into the world where everyone knows how to have unlimited amounts of energy, the most important thing then will be how well we all cooperate and get along.

Sincerely,
Peter

[Peter Lindemann]

Back On Topic

Hi Folks,

OK, is Free Energy Do-able? Absolutely YES. Are we all "free" to implement it in our lives? Absolutely, YES. Does that mean we can, or even need to, build a "self-running machine"? Not from my point of view.

Free Energy is any energy that is freely provided by the Natural World. We can tap into these environmental energy sources in dozens of ways, so in order to USE Free Energy from the environment, a certain amount of ingenuity is required on our part. The first thing to straighten out is our own "mind-set."

In my lecture titled Open System Thermodynamics I go into this in detail, but the general "punchline" of the talk is this.

We are taught by the supposed Laws of Thermodynamics that all energy follows a behavior that allows us to recover less than what WE put into the system. The obvious lie here is that we are told that the INPUT of the machine is limited to the energy that we have to purchase from the energy monopolies, but the OUTPUT of the machine is ALWAYS open for its losses to dissipate into the environment.


Then, they grudgingly admit that if there is an ENVIRONMENTAL input, like in a Heap Pump system, the total useful energy output CAN exceed the input. Then energy can follow THIS basic behavior, like our kitchen refrigerators. Here only about 1/3rd of the energy required to pump heat out of the refrigerator is supplied by the electrical energy purchased to run it, creating a machine with a COP>2.


Finally, true Open System Thermodynamics recognizes that energy can not only be provided by the USER and the ENVIRONMENT, but it can also be recovered by the system, re-cycled and USED AGAIN! Taking advantage of both environmental inputs and energy re-cycling, machines with COP>5 are easily attainable.


Systems that recycle mechanical energy, electrical energy, and heat have been demonstrated repeatedly in the patent records and in this forum.

So, the efficient use of energy can provide hundreds of machine designs that provide more useful energy than we have to supply or purchase from anyone else. The ethics of implementing this understanding into all engineering disciplines seems imperative.

Here is an example of a water distiller that recycles the "heat of condensation" to preheat the next incoming water to be boiled. By recycling 95% of the heat needed to boil the water, the cost of running a water purifying system from waste water or even sea water is dropped to 5% of what most people think. When that last, small amount of energy is supplied by solar heat, the cost of unlimited amounts of fresh water drops to nearly nothing.


I believe that by implementing dozens of these partial solutions throughout the general energy use field, we can drastically lower the monetary and environmental cost of using energy, and transform our civilization. I also believe that this "middle step" will pave the way for the fully self-running machines to be used safely by a population that isn't so focused on self-gratification.

This is what I have been working toward for 40 years.

Peter

[barbosi]

Your post is really off topic here, as we were discussing free energy "do-ability and ethics".

Dear Peter,
You reached this false conclusion I think from my lack of clarity, so I'll go punctual.

1. Do-ability.2. Ethics

[Farmhand]

Well solar energy in all it's forms is radiant energy. I would like to see a counter
argument to that. I would like to think that if Nikola was to come back to life
and check out a solar panel he would be well pleased and would declare that it
was the natural progression from his radiant energy collector work, I have no
doubt if he had lived another 50 years he would have got to inventing the PV module.

Tesla cars have nothing much to do with Tesla either.

As far as radiant energy in relation to Bedini energizers and such devices I don't
get it the devices radiate losses themselves but I do not see any evidence that
they harness any radiant energy from anywhere including their own radiations.

In actuality if a device was to create a sink which drew in energy from
outside the system from all directions then it would be a device collecting
gravitating energy as opposed to "gravitation" per se.

A radiant energy collector simply sits in the path of radiating energy and
collects some as the radiated energy interacts with the collecting element.

I think it would be more beneficial if some of the participants in the forum
concentrated on designing do-able energy collection and utilization equipment according to
their own abilities and needs while sharing solid info.

Anything less than O.U. isn't wanted by most is how it seems, free energy is not
good enough, everyone wants a machine that can output 5 or 10 kW with a
few hundred watts input or less. Even free energy devices that are not considered O.U.
get the cold shoulder. Why ! Because the promises of such a machine keep
coming. They get tied to Tesla's name and there seems to be a misconception
that Tesla invented a multitude of O.U. devices, he did invent/develop ways
to harness environmental energy, but as for autonomous self powering
devices not consuming themselves while radiating losses (heat) and powering
external loads there is a marked lack of evidence any existed.

...

Examples of such promises are,

1) UFO's motor-generstors
2) The QEG
and ect. ect.

People seem to be able to make any claim they want and anyone who
questions gets abused. This is a moderation issue and the only ones who set
the tone of the forum are the moderators.

I would ask the moderators to consider a policy of allowing people to question
claimants without being attacked and abused. Personally I'm shocked at some
of the personal abuse that is allowed from some.

..

[Peter Lindemann]

Still OFF TOPIC

Dear Peter,
You reached this false conclusion I think from my lack of clarity, so I'll go punctual.

1. Do-ability.2. Ethics

Barbosi,

So, your big beef here is that I use the word TESLA in the name of one of my businesses, and that none of my current business activities involve physical products that utilize "Radiant Energy"; therefore I am unethical and need to recant some statement that you invent. What a crock of BS!

No one who actually reads or studies my published work is confused in the way you seem to be. Oh, and just because you can subtly nuance your personal attack on me doesn't mean its not off topic here.

All personal attacks are off topic in this entire forum. Farmhand has stated and I also see that some people get a pass on this, but they shouldn't and it is never OK with me when it happens.

If you, Barbosi, would consider leaving me alone, you would be FREE to actually enter into this thread's real conversation and tell us why you are interested in Free Energy technology and what you see as this field of research moves forward. I'm sure everyone would be more interested in that.

Peter

[Aaron]

radiant energy

Dear Peter & Co.,
Here is in your own words, and it starts at minute 18:15 "radiant energy ....... was the terminology used at the time ........ for the last 10 years". Please allow me say it out loud, that was your commercially oriented terminology, not Tesla's.

It looks to me that at that time of Q&A session you were dropping the concept of "Tesla's radiant energy" as being "misunderstood" as it was a liability issue for y'all. Despite that, I have to remind you that you literally (and visually) have sold that idea for years and years to every new comers into the free energy arena. Even to this day, followers still believe in your "terminology used at the time" (please search for term "radiant" in recent topics on this forum).

Despite that, it sounded resonable at the time to call your products Tesla chargers "in memory of Tesla which we admire, but in fact [sorry] it has nothing to do with what Tesla was trying to teach us about radiant energy, however we respectfully use his name anyway because this is an ideo-motor trance that will help our business".

So you say, now you are in solar energy business as a new niche to be exploited? Are you pushing for a new ideo-motor trance? Chargers are dead already as your lifestyle maintainer? Or that is a new division of the business? Sun is radiant anyway, right?

Barbosi, you should study what the ideo-motor trance is before using it incorrectly.

The name Tesla Chargers was my idea because it IS related to Telsa, whether you understand it or not.

John Bedini's SG are miniaturized Tesla technology. Charge inductor, discharge spike to cap, discharge cap to low impedance load (battery)... that is Tesla's "method of conversion" and it is indisputable.

The charger line started with some of these methods in solid state form so the line of chargers at Tesla Chargers DID start with Tesla technology. It wasn't just a tribute to Tesla's name.

What other companies using Tesla's name can make the same claim that they actually used Tesla's methods?

Also, Peter isn't using "radiant" vocabulary for "commercial" purposes - that is completely twisting the facts - and he isn't the only one using the "radiant energy" terminology.

The Energy Pages Have

That is John's old site: "Potential Radiant Charge" - that is "radiant energy" and it is used properly by both of them as it is by Tom Bearden.

"I have been working in the energy field for over 30 years, I have come to the conclusion that their is no "FreeElectricity". Their is only a potential radiant charge that makes up a dipole.



This energy makes up everything we touch and use in our electrical circuits as we know them. The electrical circuits as we know them are flawed, meaning they burn up the dipole that is free in nature.

If you kill the dipole you loose the energy. The dipole killer is the electron current in the circuit. So therefore the term free electricity only applies to those that have done away with the current or have figured a way to block it from completing it's path through the circuit. Their are no meters to measure this radiant current, and when you catch it, it has the power of the universe and beyond. Good luck in your research . Their is only energy from the vacuum, known as radiant energy. to find out more about this you need to read Tom Bearden's book. To go to my pages go to the bottom of the page."

@ Farmhand,

The SG does use radiant energy. Gravitational potential is radiant energy because it is the aether or vacuum "energy".

When the electromagnet collapses, it pulls in some of the organized potential flowing around the permanent magnet with it and that adds to the spike - then the magnet is instantly filled back up to equilibrium from environmental source potential (vacuum energy, organized gravitational potential, polarized aether).

And when there is a discharge to the battery such as in the Tesla method of conversion, that cap IMPULSE to the battery creates a very sharp gradient situation at the terminals of the battery being charged, which pulls in more organized aether (source potential) into the circuit, which is another gain mechanism.

These are Tesla's radiant energy methods and using Tesla's name together with all these processes are again, not just a tribute to him, it is technically correct because that is what it is - Tesla technology whether anyone wants to believe it or not.

A bit off topic above, but had to comment.

[BroMikey]

Your post is really off topic here, as we were discussing free energy "do-ability and ethics".

I wish you all of the LOVE and Spiritual LIGHT that the Infinite Being has Eternally planned to be yours. I also wish you Peace in your heart and Understanding in your mind. As we all move into the world where everyone knows how to have unlimited amounts of energy, the most important thing then will be how well we all cooperate and get along.

Sincerely,
Peter

Hello Peter L.

I would like to personally thank you for your years of unselfish giving to help people get on focus learning about the hidden history of energy control.

Your work has inspired millions over the long years.

I will make this short as I have alot to learn about being a diplomat. You on the other hand are teaching me to handling criticisms more proper.

Either way it is hard to over come jealousy and prejudiced with people who are young and needed instructions in their early years and didn't yet it.

Let me end, God Bless.

Michael Rowland (Central Kansas) Ps this gentlemen has posted some vulgar things and he is in need of a cleansing.

[Tarkus]

"No Free lunch"

The entire energy of creation may sit suspended in front of you, yet if you don't take an action to tap, harness or utilize it in some way, it may as well not exist. The "Free energy" is a myth, not because the energy isn't there, but because it requires an action to access it, and "free" just went out the window.
Develop and build the widget, sell the widget to those who can't, let others build the widget and spread it, there really is enough to go around.
In all things there is exchange, usually based on equilibrium and balance, the out of balance condition in some cases causes flow, work, change i.e. electrical current, in others catastrophe, destruction and mayhem i.e. electrical current (lightning).
Perspective is key to much of it, positive/negative either or, to quote P.I.E. Bonawitts (spelling may be off) "We live in a universe comprised of energy, we being conscious beings of energy, have the ability to effect all energies around us", and I would add wether we know it or not.

P.S.
Peter it is always a pleasure to talk with you, and your posts, information and perspective's are always appreciated.

[barbosi]

All personal attacks are off topic in this entire forum.
..........
If you, Barbosi, would consider leaving me alone, you would be FREE to actually enter into this thread's real conversation and tell us why you are interested in Free Energy technology and what you see as this field of research moves forward.

Dear Peter,
There is no personal attack, is just that there are accumulations of facts that do not make any sense to me. And to prove my point before I tell my reasons about my interest in free energy, I'll have to ask you one simple question:

In your lecture "Tesla's radiant energy" at ExtraOrdinary Technology Conference in 2006, distributed by Clear Tech, Inc. you made reference to a book "Tesla's Vocabulary For Dummies" by Doug Low. Can you please have a look and tell me the ISBN number?

Regards.

[Cadman]

will succeed in building a real life self sustaining generator and I will file for a patent and I will post detailed blueprints and schematics complete with material lists and suppliers so anyone may build one, license and royalty free.

Mark my words

[BroMikey]

Burning water

Believe me, once you and your family have come close to freezing to death in a protracted winter power outage you will feel the same way. I had a generator too and guess what... they run out of fuel.

Engines can run on water. This is a very old practice. Or at least start out with this.

Use a water cooled 40hp engine use high compression and barely run the engine like I do on 3.5LPM of propane.

Right there you have extra energy compared to everyone with a conventional genset.

I do not want to high jack this thread.

Mike

[Tarkus]

No flying saucer's

Thank you Cadman, another angle on the why's of it. Most of us are not striving to build a starship or flying saucer (yes I know there are a few) but rather to free ourselves from the vagrancies of the dependance on the "Grid", wether it's the profiteering companies, or the technology failure, having the thing(energy) we base our lifestyle and survival on yanked away for any reason beyond our (individual) control is unacceptable to many of us. Realizing that natural disaster or economic collapse and price manipulation are real possibilities in todays world, our survival could truly be on the line at times.
As for the personal survival methodology, there are many proven ways to divest your self from the grid, and in comfort. i.e. RMH rocket mass heaters
I have built 5 of them and have one as back up for cooking and as main heating
can also be modified to run a small boiler/turbine, steam engine.
Maybe start a thread to explore and share things of this nature???