Newman Motor Finally Explained?

[BroMikey]

Miller has worked on mechanical ventures for decades and
his photo gallery shows wind turbine work among other.

Here is his site. http://energybat.com/

[BroMikey]

Geoffery has some really big builds at his shop. Check out his site, might be in the photo gallery.

I do want to build the 150 pounds of magnets 200 pounds of
wire Newman Motor .......................

............my scotch yoke motor that I want to take to completion.

I see. Wouldn't it be something if someone got inspired to make kits
available for a practical motor?

[Aaron]

which one

Just knowing that someone who has been involved for years has a
working OVERUNITY Joe Newman motor is a big plus, helps all of our
confidence.

If anyone can direct me to a youtube of this working OU motor I would
be grateful. I mean I am assuming he claims he has such a unit?

If anyone went to the conference knows the answer to my question
plz feel free to butt in at anytime.

@Aaron

Are you going to build it (The small one)????? Sounds promising. I know
you built the SSG, so do you think, knowing what you know, that you
should build one?

Geoffery has some really big builds at his shop. Check out his site, might be in the photo gallery.

I do want to build the 150 pounds of magnets 200 pounds of wire Newman Motor but it's not priority.

For motors, there is my scotch yoke motor that I want to take to completion. Simulations are run on the magnetics and I'm waiting to see the optimum outcome. The yoke will remain unchanged, but it is the reciprocating rods and their relation to the coil that can take one of many variations.

[BroMikey]

I would recommend people replicate a small bench top model like the
one Geoffrey showed at the conference

Just knowing that someone who has been involved for years has a
working OVERUNITY Joe Newman motor is a big plus, helps all of our
confidence.

If anyone can direct me to a youtube of this working OU motor I would
be grateful. I mean I am assuming he claims he has such a unit?

If anyone went to the conference knows the answer to my question
plz feel free to butt in at anytime.

@Aaron

Are you going to build it (The small one)????? Sounds promising. I know
you built the SSG, so do you think, knowing what you know, that you
should build one?

[Aaron]

replication and principles

Upon re-reading the newman PDF.

I saw this Underlined statement,

"I consider the Technical Process to be 10,000 times more important than the primitive working prototypes."

I think people shouldn't rush into "Big Replications" not only because its not practical, but also believe that the current design is just to show the effect.

I am actually trying to learn what he is trying to teach, I did an experiment by just shorting for a second and breaking the switch of 2 different set of coils, same amount of turns, but different wire gauge #28 & #21.
I did notice that the spark of the #28 was blue/white and the #21 was orange/red.

based from my observations, thin Blue/White means HV and low current, whilst Orange/Red means High Current.

If the material contains and details this "Technical Process" Newman was talking about.. I think Its worth more than the knowledge of "How to build the Newman Machine". as you can make your own design from it, It might even be a small table top device.

I agree with just about all of that.

Understanding the principles allows one to build something from scratch without needing someone's schematic. We've tried to push that point for years.

There is benefit to building something exact though - even if a small bench top model because getting the kinesthetic feedback from the experience gives something imagination alone cannot.

I would recommend people replicate a small bench top model like the one Geoffrey showed at the conference and bathe in the essence of it for a while, then make it bigger or apply the principles to something different.

The white color is purer "radiant" - that's for sure.

[ricards]

Technical process

Upon re-reading the newman PDF.

I saw this Underlined statement,

"I consider the Technical Process to be 10,000 times more important than the primitive working prototypes."

I think people shouldn't rush into "Big Replications" not only because its not practical, but also believe that the current design is just to show the effect.

I am actually trying to learn what he is trying to teach, I did an experiment by just shorting for a second and breaking the switch of 2 different set of coils, same amount of turns, but different wire gauge #28 & #21.
I did notice that the spark of the #28 was blue/white and the #21 was orange/red.

based from my observations, thin Blue/White means HV and low current, whilst Orange/Red means High Current.

If the material contains and details this "Technical Process" Newman was talking about.. I think Its worth more than the knowledge of "How to build the Newman Machine". as you can make your own design from it, It might even be a small table top device.

[Aaron]

table top model

Photo below is from: http://www.energeticforum.com/303099-post303.html



Hi Aaron,

Is the photo on the cover (shown above) the Newman motor that you want to build with 350 lbs of magnet and copper? It looks pretty rough to put it mildly. I've seen much more robust and quality apparatus from forum member builds of various motors and generators. Good luck with your build.

Regards,

bi

That's a very small table top model. I thought I mentioned it's just to show the mechanics of how it should be built. That whole thing probably weights 10-15 pounds total.

[bistander]

Cover photo

150 pounds of magnets and 200 pounds of wire is about the size that I want to build according to one recommendation.

Photo below is from: http://www.energeticforum.com/303099-post303.html



Hi Aaron,

Is the photo on the cover (shown above) the Newman motor that you want to build with 350 lbs of magnet and copper? It looks pretty rough to put it mildly. I've seen much more robust and quality apparatus from forum member builds of various motors and generators. Good luck with your build.

Regards,

bi

[BroMikey]

150 pounds of magnets and 200 pounds of wire.......

With this 3:4 ratio

Good luck to any that can afford that size replication.

I walk into farmers barns all of the time to see a v8 motor tied to
a pump and for decades Newman promised them a pump for water
in the fields. It is nothing to spend $5000 for a single hole pumping
station for farms. Some I know have 6 of them because they can
not get a power pole that far out.

350 pound of wire magnets is small, like a small engine block, so if it
pumps the water it would be worth it to some people. It may not be
a tabletop experiment that you would become involved with just
goofing around but some have given a large portion of their time to
getting this thing out in the fields.

It would be nice if all of those people who had the huge setup could get
some water moved with it. Money is no object to them, they spend
$15,000 per hole for electricity and more for natural gas V8 pumps.

Maybe we will finally get word after 50 years that water is moving
in the field on a Joe pump. I know guys who would love to get
anything practical to replace oil and gas, nope, nobody knows.

Still runnin on crude 130 years.

[wantomake]

Turion,
I got that truth from watching the presentation and hearing what Geoffrey said.

But I asked out loud anyway. I've had a smaller version on my table for some time now. It's a learning tool for me. And now I can expand on this machine to learn more.

Good luck to any that can afford that size replication. I believe it does what Mr. Newman said it does.

wantomake

[wantomake]

Ratio

150 pounds of magnets and 200 pounds of wire is about the size that I want to build according to one recommendation.

I agree with Turion, I think.

Can that "effect" mentioned by Geoffrey be created without 150 pounds of magnets and 200 pounds of wire?'

With this 3:4 ratio, could the "effect" be created in a smaller size replication? He did emphasize loudly that "size matters".

Please don't suggest I build and answer my own question.

wantomake

[BroMikey]

150 pounds of magnets and 200 pounds of wire is about the size that I want to build according to one recommendation.

Yeah that sounds much better, I think people will try it if that is the case.
You got to figure even the home based 3battery generation coil
sets need around, what is it? 60 pounds worth of copper?

Not bad on the Joe one where people need huge torque? Yeah torque
like out of this world with all of the weight, better invest in some
monstrous bearings but after that you maybe could run a water
pump in the field. It is gonna be a heavy dog. That may have it's
place.

$37 bucks to find out a few extra details? Okay I'll go along with that.
The missing link so to speak. Yeah good deal.

[Aaron]

size

150 pounds of magnets and 200 pounds of wire is about the size that I want to build according to one recommendation.

[wantomake]

Record set straight

Yes.
I agree for once with Bromikey.

I can't afford that amount of wire. Or the large neo's for the rotor. But I got all the value of both from the Conference presentation Miller gave.

Mostly I wanted the truth be told about the last of the "film" made about Newman. Loved the documentary but hated the bad feeling from the ending where Newman is being interviewed by that crew in his home.

Thanks Geoffrey Miller for telling the truth.

To finish, I did build a smaller desk top version, as we all do, to learn from. But that replication was wrong and incomplete. Now I want to learn from the corrected version so that one day I could afford the full size to run my shop and teach others about the passionate man that invented this great machine.

Thanks Aaron for your hard work and FE heart,
wantomake

[BroMikey]

$37 of course is the info but you really need to focus on a large build go get the real benefits. Newman and Miller have both built big ones that get the "Newman Effect". Small bench models only demonstrate the mechanics of how it runs.

A good question for Geoffrey, what is the smallest one Newman built that is overunity.

Good idea, ask if a regular guy could afford one. That 20,000 lbs of wire
is out of my ball field. But who knows maybe some guys who have the
bigger builds and can't quite get them to work will now get their wish.

Thanks Aaron for all of your hard work presenting materials.