This is why we don't have free energy

[Farmhand]

I'm sorry but I can't watch the video because it is just not true that we do not have "free energy".

John Bedini has been quite open and clearly has demonstrated a free energy device for many years.

You take one battery and you charge 4 or 10 or how many other batteries you want. Then you use those charged batteries to run your devices through a sine wave inverter. You also use that energy to charge back your charging battery. Then you just continue. Anyone who researched it could have a battery bank and run many needs for their home if not their entire house with this simple system.

Or you use one large bank to charge another, run your load and turn around and recharge that bank back again and just rinse and repeat. John also showed this in his videos for many years now.

John has demonstrated this system for many years. He has published the circuits and even explained the theory. So what excuse does ANYBODY have? None.

Who out there can say we do not have "free energy" devices or plans on the market?

The problem is that people want something "new" and they don't use what they have. THAT is the problem my fiends. It is not the secret "new world order" or anything else keeping anyone from having "free energy". It as with most things in our lives, it's the person we see looking at us in the mirror that is our greatest enemy.

The principle of these "free energy" devices also has been clearly explained and if you look at any such device, the principle is the same... from Stan Meier to Rossi to Bedini.... all the same principle. But who can see it? It's simple and clear. You get that, you get how it works. While I don't agree with all of Bearden's interpretations - he explains it best.

So no excuses guys, and no one is going to be able to stop you unless you waste your time spinning your wheels in useless directions.

If you guys really knew how short time is and what is really important - I promise that you wouldn't want to do anything but get to know Jesus in a very personal way. Because that is the only thing that will help you make it through what is to soon come.

http://www.energeticforum.com/john-b...cuum-20-a.html

Be wise with your time my friends.

This video shows that when motor coil is loaded the available energy to recover is reduced.

Coil Recovery - YouTube

Hence the mechanical energy is not free at all. There is energy imparted to
the rotor from the coils field, or some of the energy of the magnetic field is
dissipated from the field by the rotor magnets. That's how it looks to me.
Net result is less energy to be recovered when the coil is loaded.

My experiment was a bit rushed and rough but the main thing is I showed what I seen to be happening.

If you can show the recovery from a motor coil remain unchanged while the motor coil is under an increasing load, I might reconsider my findings.

I have evidence to show the energy available to recover is less from a motor
coil that is under more load than one that is under less load.

Where is the evidence to the contrary ?

What happened to science ?

Cheers

What say you SilverToGold ? Will you show evidence that the mechanical
output of a Bedini energizer is "free" ? Going by your reasoning all pulse motors
should get the mechanical energy for free. There is a reason the wheel slows
down when it's loaded. That is because the mechanical energy is not free.
Show evidence it is before going around spruiking free energy I say.

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[Hrothgar]

Coil recovery

Farmhand have you looked into solenoid attraction motors? The ones with no permanent magnets.

[Farmhand]

Farmhand have you looked into solenoid attraction motors? The ones with no permanent magnets.

Do you mean induction motors ? or something else ?

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[Hrothgar]

Actually no

Generally it's like a piston engine setup only the cylinder is a coil and the piston is a iron rod. There is no cemf, so half of the energy you would pump into a motor isn't lost by an evil twin. Without Cemf your power usage is based on the speed and tuning of the motor, properly tuned your draw goes down as speed increases. The ways to make them REALLY efficient are explained in Peter Lindemann's 'Electric Motor Secrets' lecture.

V8 solenoid engine - YouTube

[Farmhand]

Generally it's like a piston engine setup only the cylinder is a coil and the piston is a iron rod. There is no cemf, so half of the energy you would pump into a motor isn't lost by an evil twin. Without Cemf your power usage is based on the speed and tuning of the motor, properly tuned your draw goes down as speed increases. The ways to make them REALLY efficient are explained in Peter Lindemann's 'Electric Motor Secrets' lecture.

V8 solenoid engine - YouTube

But half of the energy we put into a motor is not consumed by an evil twin,
Counter emf does not consume power it only limits it. Just like counter emf limits the idle current in an efficient transformer.
Without the Counter emf full current would flow immediately with no load and the motor would destroy itself due to heat or an over speed condition.

Some induction motors are close to 90 % efficient at full load.

Counter emf is our friend, and without it life would be more difficult.
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[Hrothgar]

But half of the energy we put into a motor is not consumed by an evil twin,
Counter emf does not consume power it only limits it. Just like counter emf limits the idle current in an efficient transformer.
Without the Counter emf full current would flow immediately with no load and the motor would destroy itself due to heat or an over speed condition.

Some induction motors are close to 90 % efficient at full load.

Counter emf is our friend, and without it life would be more difficult.
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OK I misspoke, I'm not referring to winding reluctance. I am referring to the push of the emf against a permanent magnet. When a coil charges the iron piston is turned into a magnet and pulled to the center of the coil where the pull is the strongest. When the coil current is cut the field collapses and the iron piston looses magnetism and doesn't drag against the coil. The coil is only fired when the piston is two hairs below top dead center and the current is cut a hair after that. The faster the piston goes the shorter the pulse. When put under load it doesn't draw more power unless it slows the rotation of the engine.

[Ufopolitics]

Cemf...

But half of the energy we put into a motor is not consumed by an evil twin,
Counter emf does not consume power it only limits it. Just like counter emf limits the idle current in an efficient transformer.
Without the Counter emf full current would flow immediately with no load and the motor would destroy itself due to heat or an over speed condition.

Some induction motors are close to 90 % efficient at full load.

Counter emf is our friend, and without it life would be more difficult.
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[Farmhand]

UFO in my opinion you are mistaken, Counter emf happens in the coil at the
same time the applied emf happens. Counter emf is the same thing as back emf, as far as I am concerned.

Counter emf does not consume power, it limits it.

The discharge of energy from the coil happens after the applied emf is removed.
It is the release of the stored energy in the coil. A coil discharge is not counter emf.

The discharge of energy from the coil is the coil discharge or the inductive energy release

EDIT: to clarify
(Back emf is a terrible term for a coil discharge, returned emf would be a better term.)
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I refuse to engage you in pointless argument again.

Just to get it straight. Are you claiming counter emf consumes power ?

Cheers

P.S. People often consider counter emf to be back emf and then counter emf
gets confused with the discharge of energy from a switched coil.

Hence returned emf is a valid term for the discharge of energy from a switched coil.

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[Farmhand]

Here here's another one. Go to 7:25 in the video to see the discharge from the
"series" charging coil increase when it is unloaded and decrease when it is
loaded. The yellow trace is the voltage on the capacitor that the "series"
charging coil discharges into, The charging coil is part of a resonant charging
circuit but is used to aid the rotor to turn as well as boost the voltage into the
cap for the main motor coil.

Two Phase From One Pulse Motor (optical sensor triggered) - YouTube

Clear practical evidence that loading the magnetic field of a coil reduces the
stored energy in the field. People can do this themselves and see, no one needs believe me.

Side Note: When the correct speed is reached (frequency) both coils become resonant
and have sine waves on them.

Cheers

[Ufopolitics]

UFO in my opinion you are mistaken, Counter emf happens in the coil at the
same time the applied emf happens. Counter emf is the same thing as back emf, as far as I am concerned.

Counter emf does not consume power, it limits it.

The discharge of energy from the coil happens after the applied emf is removed.
It is the release of the stored energy in the coil. A coil discharge is not counter emf.

The discharge of energy from the coil is the coil discharge or the inductive energy release

EDIT: to clarify
(Back emf is a terrible term for a coil discharge, returned emf would be a better term.)
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I refuse to engage you in pointless argument again.

Just to get it straight. Are you claiming counter emf consumes power ?

Cheers

Farmhand, I know there is a CEMF when a Coil is turned on...

about CEMF consuming power?...maybe am wrong...maybe Peter Lindemann is also wrong...and I do not know if you have seen his video where he cites an old book from the U.S Navy...to go over the whole CEMF/BEMF process, sorry, I look for link but could not find it, or directions to that DVD.

P.S. People often consider counter emf to be back emf and then counter emf
gets confused with the discharge of energy from a switched coil.

Hence returned emf is a valid term for the discharge of energy from a switched coil.

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I was referring to the way Symmetric Brushed or Brushless Motors work...they never switch off coils...working 24/7 or 100%...therefore, there is never a discharge from their coils...


Take care


Ufopolitics

[BroMikey]

Do you mean induction motors ? or something else ?

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Hello Farmhand

I see some of your great work with so many projects. Excellent Sir.

I see this video from you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxTjHk9LEwU

Did you hear (I know you must have) that the Tesla coil like you have can work in reverse if you get that halo up in the air say 100 feet?

I wondered what you thought about the whole idea of using it in reverse.

Mikey

[Farmhand]

Hi BroMikey, They work well in reverse, may i suggest you look into the "Crystal Radio Initiative" thread in the Eric Dollard section I think.

My concern with using one with an elevated terminal is not so much if lightning struck the terminal,
because as with the lightning arrestor chokes for the electric fence the self inductance
of the coils should redirect the current through a special tuned width "large" safety spark gap to ground.
And the Toroid should resist attracting lightning anyway, but if far enough up in
the air it would likely take hits here, we get serious electrical storms here.

The setup would also need to be protected from a close ground strike, (such as those that kill livestock on four feet),
when the lightning strikes the ground it produces a radiating ground wave and due to the large potential difference
between two points on the ground the animal can present a current path of lesser resistance than the ground ect.
Anyway my concern would be that a close ground strike could excite the coil very strongly from the ground stake
and cause the coil to emit a "break out" somewhere on the coil inside the experiment hut which could kill me
and at the very least destroy anything connected to the output coil (primary on a powered coil).

I'm fairly sure a close ground strike can damage things in normal household situation, but there are safety features applied to the grid supply wiring system.

A ground strike would radiate a ground wave in a similar way to a powered transmitter.

Experimenting with the more intense forces of nature should not be taken lightly.

Cheers

[vidbid]

Free Energy - From Suppression To Manifestation? - Mark Passio @ Tesla Memorial Conf.

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2X6aPPoB9s[/VIDEO]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2X6aPPoB9s

Free Energy - From Suppression To Manifestation? - Mark Passio @ Tesla Memorial Conference - 11/1/14 - YouTube

I think this also applies.