Just magnetic fields

[Hrothgar]

The push and the pull

Hey Barbosi,

I tried sliding a magnet down the side of large copper tube and seemed to give same effect, but I need a sheet of copper to really see if same effect happens. Not only does aluminum show a difference in direction as magnet slides down for each pole, confirming opposite curved lines, but the fact that one side sticks better also confirms that the electron fields in aluminum also are curved in a particular direction. Aluminum has one electron in it outer shell, it has spin(curve), it has to match the curve of the magnet pole, I believe.
I also noticed that the magnet seems to be trying to flip to the side that sticks, when it falls.

Machine

I see a magnet as I would a water pump in that on one end you have an increased pressure and on the intake side a vacuum trying to be filled. I have no expectation of a south having an symmetrical field as the north. The main reason I see for nice tight toroid representations is the high resistance of space and the close proximity of the intake. This suggests it's quite possible to have different reaction strengths depending on the pole involved.

[Cornboy 555]

The earth rotates in a magnetic field that is compressed on the sun side and expanded 180 degrees away. You've probably seem lots of pictures of the planet's magnetic "shield". Of course they are all 2 dimesional static illustrations. Take a lok at one and picture yourself fixed at a point on the planet rotating with it through that warped magnetic field.
File:Magnetosphere rendition.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now consider that the solar wind is not constant but pulses and has varying speed and density so that magnetic field is actually throbbing.
NOAA Solar Wind Prediction

Not sure about the universe but what you say is definitely true here on earth and "breathing" in and out magnetism and charged particles. The sun has magnetic and electric fields also besides the charge particles it emits.
Heliospheric current sheet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Note in that link the planets shown inside the current sheet.


Then of course we have interstellar and intergalactic magnetic fields and charged particles bombarding us from all directions all time time.

Some might wonder about the magnetic fields at those ranges but magnetism decreases as the cube root of the distance and that means it never really goes to zero no matter how far away the source is. We may not be able to measure it but it's still there.

I found an interesting correlation between Tesla's radiant energy receiver as shown in his patent and the solar wind. The readings from my device were inversely proportional to the solar wind density, i.e the solar wind was blocking whatever the elevated plate was receiving like a cloud going between the sun and a photovoltaic panel. But only in my daytime readings, i.e. when my position was on the sun side. Actually they were about an hour either side of sunrise and sunset.

Hello thx1138, what device are you refering to?

Regards Cornboy.

[tachyoncatcher]

Yes, this is precisely what I am saying. It's an effect of many inter-changing potentials.
It is my opinion that we should not ignore the presence of electric field which defines the plasma it self. There is no pure magnetic or pure electric fields. They not only the interact with each other but they are born one from the other. If there is a moment of pure magnetic field, I would compare that moment with the moment when the pendulum reaches its top position. Pure potential, speed zero.
The great wonder to me is that matter and fields/plasma are fooled the same way as the mind.

Again, great share and I thank you for that.

As I am no more unqualified to speak on this subject as the next guy, I will share my opinions of my observations while looking at the whole. The title of this thread "just magnetic fields" is an impossible topic. The dance between electro motive, electrostatic, and magnetic become quite apparent with any in-depth study of magnetism. If you look at any of the greats work, you will see they all moved from one discipline to next and back again. The homopolar dynamo of Maxwells was nothing more than the study of eddy currents. Tesla too, dove into this study to build on Maxwell's shared designs. Professor Laithwaite took it step further and showed us that you can actually move solid objects with just the "wind" of magnetism. Much like plasma particles are easily "pushed" by field/force of a magnet, so is aluminum. Why? To understand the nature of eddy currents and the associated magnetic fields will, in my opinion, give us much understanding in the fundamentals of magnetic flow, or as you put it barbosi, potentials. I think you are on your way to a understanding of the fundamentals of all. As someone who likes to master one thing before moving on to the next, I realized I would continue to struggle immensely without all the pieces to the puzzle. If you look close enough, you will see the three forces at work together in harmony. I think we have made it harder than it has to be by stubbornly trying to separate the three as individual forces to be reckoned with.

While I am no fan of Boyd Bushman, I do agree with his assessment that we have 3-4 forces which we have not yet named, and are somehow related to the three above. The aether being the collection of many forces. Another conjecture, while I'm throwing opinions based on observational intuitions, is that magnetism is somehow involved in the cohesion of the universe of all things. If you observe Tesla's studies in chronological order, you will see that he had a purpose for everything he studied. One led to another and so on. Always with his eye on that final target of understanding the forces of nature that holds it all together.

Sorry for this long post. With all of that long winded conjecture, let me say again. Study the eddys. I believe they will tell the story of magnetism. Excellent thread barbosi. Thank you for asking the most fundamental question of all. What are we working with when building and testing AE devices.

Randy

[indio007]

Don't get hung up the theoretical quantum stuff. I simply wanted to add this phenomena to the mix. The effect is this. They stick ferromagnetic material inside a superconductor in a coaxial configuration. Then place a magnetic field at one end. The field comes out the other end or even multiple ends nearly lossless. Their quantum theory is inadequate. Im thinking they just threw that gibberish in there simply to get the phenomena published.

Anyhow the experiment is the important part.

In regards to the crt. I just don't know if the effect is a result of the electrons ,the screen coating, the lorentz force,the magnetic field or some combination of them.

[thx1138]

Breathing in and breathing out

Hey Machine, this effect of breathing in & out is definitaly, real, the earth breathes in from aprox, 3pm in the afternoon, till aprox 3 am.

The earth rotates in a magnetic field that is compressed on the sun side and expanded 180 degrees away. You've probably seem lots of pictures of the planet's magnetic "shield". Of course they are all 2 dimesional static illustrations. Take a lok at one and picture yourself fixed at a point on the planet rotating with it through that warped magnetic field.
File:Magnetosphere rendition.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now consider that the solar wind is not constant but pulses and has varying speed and density so that magnetic field is actually throbbing.
NOAA Solar Wind Prediction

Not sure about the universe but what you say is definitely true here on earth and "breathing" in and out magnetism and charged particles. The sun has magnetic and electric fields also besides the charge particles it emits.
Heliospheric current sheet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Note in that link the planets shown inside the current sheet.


Then of course we have interstellar and intergalactic magnetic fields and charged particles bombarding us from all directions all time time.

Some might wonder about the magnetic fields at those ranges but magnetism decreases as the cube root of the distance and that means it never really goes to zero no matter how far away the source is. We may not be able to measure it but it's still there.

I found an interesting correlation between Tesla's radiant energy receiver as shown in his patent and the solar wind. The readings from my device were inversely proportional to the solar wind density, i.e the solar wind was blocking whatever the elevated plate was receiving like a cloud going between the sun and a photovoltaic panel. But only in my daytime readings, i.e. when my position was on the sun side. Actually they were about an hour either side of sunrise and sunset.

[barbosi]

http://ia350627.us.archive.org/2/ite...00abbogoog.pdf

[barbosi]

I tried sliding a magnet down the side of large copper tube and seemed to give same effect, but I need a sheet of copper to really see if same effect happens. Not only does aluminum show a difference in direction as magnet slides down for each pole, confirming opposite curved lines, but the fact that one side sticks better also confirms that the electron fields in aluminum also are curved in a particular direction. Aluminum has one electron in it outer shell, it has spin(curve), it has to match the curve of the magnet pole, I believe.
I also noticed that the magnet seems to be trying to flip to the side that sticks, when it falls.

From a long time I got this sense that Aluminum has some remarkable properties. I'm not an expert in Walter Russell (and to be honest I don't think there are too many out there) but if you are familiar with his work, maybe the study of table of elements will give some answers. I have to have a look at it too.

I know a lot of people on YT have tried to reproduce Boyd Bushman's floating wire trick, seems people have a hard time with that, I thought of Laithwaite , as soon as I saw the Bushman.

Again bringing in information leading to new ideas. Never heard about this guy and although I don't really trust people coming from "organizations", I always keep my ear open to what it's been said or implied... Thank you, I have to spend some time with it as I couldn't find his experiment, just some other temptations to replicate it.

Back to the wave. So, you seem to like Russell's thinking , the universe breathes in and out, expands and contracts, a pulse and a breath, it's alive. This is Russell's Thinking, and others of course, its in this expansion and contraction, that gives rise to motion and the gyroscopic nature of the electric and magnetic fields, and the illusion of stability.

Hope this isn't too off topic.
Machine

Nothing is off topic as long as unifies ideas. Not even jokes if they make a point.
Thanks.

[Cornboy 555]

Hey Machine, this effect of breathing in & out is definitaly, real, the earth breathes in from aprox, 3pm in the afternoon, till aprox 3 am.

This is when you apply the Bio-Dynamic 500, spray preperation, that cost $1.50 per acre to keep your soil fertile, ( to enliven the army of nearly free, soil workers).

Sounds far fetched, but i have double cropped my grain paddocks, for 6 years, with no other fertiliser, and still get better than average yields.

i hope ther is no artificial fertiliser Company looking at this post, as most of their fertiliser, is derived from the petroleum industry, BI - PRODUCTS, ohh, no, i'm on their list too!.

Warm Regards Cornboy.

[machinealive]

Hey Barbosi,

I tried sliding a magnet down the side of large copper tube and seemed to give same effect, but I need a sheet of copper to really see if same effect happens. Not only does aluminum show a difference in direction as magnet slides down for each pole, confirming opposite curved lines, but the fact that one side sticks better also confirms that the electron fields in aluminum also are curved in a particular direction. Aluminum has one electron in it outer shell, it has spin(curve), it has to match the curve of the magnet pole, I believe.
I also noticed that the magnet seems to be trying to flip to the side that sticks, when it falls.

I know a lot of people on YT have tried to reproduce Boyd Bushman's floating wire trick, seems people have a hard time with that, I thought of Laithwaite , as soon as I saw the Bushman.

Back to the wave. So, you seem to like Russell's thinking , the universe breathes in and out, expands and contracts, a pulse and a breath, it's alive. This is Russell's Thinking, and others of course, its in this expansion and contraction, that gives rise to motion and the gyroscopic nature of the electric and magnetic fields, and the illusion of stability.

Hope this isn't too off topic.
Machine

[barbosi]

Hello Barbosi,

The magnetic river video was excellent, Laithwaite was quite the free thinker, I'm surprised his videos are even still available online.

Magnetism is such an understudied field, still so many things to learn.

Well, I'll add a few things since we are just sharing ideas. I know magnets tend to stick to Aluminum as either one is moved across the other. But is that always true.

Here is a vid I made showing that something is not correct. Maybe you've seen this effect before.

Aluminum and magnets - YouTube

Other people I showed didn't get the results which I did, so I searched and yes, someone else noticed it too. And it is a better vid.

magnetic field on aluminum - YouTube

Also, old HoJo would have liked fig 3a. Now, on whether the magnetic field actually spins. This was posted on another thread, The magnetic fields seems to be spinning at a very high rate of speed, at least in a plasma. JK plasma magnetics experiments. Strange this is not a visible effect on the CRT monitor.

JK Plasma Magnetics Experiment 1 - YouTube


Machine

Edit: I guess you would have to put the magnet into the screen, to get the full effect. The screen would be like holding magnet to the side of jar, and field looks to bend but not turn.

Exactly.

Edit2: If I understand, you are saying the wave isn't moving, the plasma is, its an effect of many changing potentials.? There is spinning effect, but the field is expanding and contracting, in and out, the spinning movement is an illusion?

Yes, this is precisely what I am saying. It's an effect of many inter-changing potentials.
It is my opinion that we should not ignore the presence of electric field which defines the plasma it self. There is no pure magnetic or pure electric fields. They not only the interact with each other but they are born one from the other. If there is a moment of pure magnetic field, I would compare that moment with the moment when the pendulum reaches its top position. Pure potential, speed zero.
The great wonder to me is that matter and fields/plasma are fooled the same way as the mind.

Again, great share and I thank you for that.

[machinealive]

Hello Barbosi,

The magnetic river video was excellent, Laithwaite was quite the free thinker, I'm surprised his videos are even still available online.

Magnetism is such an understudied field, still so many things to learn.

Well, I'll add a few things since we are just sharing ideas. I know magnets tend to stick to Aluminum as either one is moved across the other. But is that always true.

Here is a vid I made showing that something is not correct. Maybe you've seen this effect before.

Aluminum and magnets - YouTube

Other people I showed didn't get the results which I did, so I searched and yes, someone else noticed it too. And it is a better vid.

magnetic field on aluminum - YouTube

Also, old HoJo would have liked fig 3a. Now, on whether the magnetic field actually spins. This was posted on another thread, The magnetic fields seems to be spinning at a very high rate of speed, at least in a plasma. JK plasma magnetics experiments. Strange this is not a visible effect on the CRT monitor.

JK Plasma Magnetics Experiment 1 - YouTube
Edit: I guess you would have to put the magnet into the screen, to get the full effect. The screen would be like holding magnet to the side of jar, and field looks to bend but not turn.
Edit2: If I understand, you are saying the wave isn't moving, the plasma is, its an effect of many changing potentials.? There is spinning effect, but the field is expanding and contracting, in and out, the spinning movement is an illusion?

Machine

[barbosi]

From an unpublished article called Man's Greatest Achievement Tesla said:
"There manifests itself in the fully developed being, Man, a desire mysterious, inscrutable and irresistible: to imitate nature, to create, to work himself the wonders he perceives.... Long ago he recognized that all perceptible matter comes from a primary substance, or tenuity beyond conception, filling all space, the Akasha or luminiferous ether, that is acted upon by the life giving Prana or creative force, calling into existence, in never ending cycles all things and phenomena. The primary substance, thrown into infinitesimal whirls of prodigious velocity, becomes gross matter; the force subsiding, the motion ceases and matter disappears, reverting to the primary substance.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RSsoTJA6cA

Some will see it spin clock-wise others anti clock-wise, and yet some will be able to make it change the direction.

[barbosi]

Note

In addition Tesla increased the diameter of magnets compared to the disc diameter, in this way he ensured the magnetic field lines present a maximum twist (which is present towards the center of the magnet).

The disc or cylinder D is supposed to be arranged to rotate between the two poles N and S of a magnet, which completely cover it on both sides, the contours of the disc and poles being represented by the circles d and d' respectively, the upper pole being omitted for the sake of clearness.

[barbosi]

From Faraday's homopolar generator is just a small step further to look if there were some others researchers interested in the phenomena. With no surprise we find the Titan of electrical engineering: Nikola Tesla.

In 1891 (almost 125 years) Nik published in The Electrical Engineer an article discussing methods to improve the homopolar (unipolar) generator. As we cannot know for sure what was his line of thought, we certainly can notice similarities (the spiral shape which is opposite from one side of disk to the other):

Figure 18.



From the article (NOTES ON AN UNIPOLAR DYNAMO) we read the reasons of choosing the disc subdivisions:

The difference of potential between a point on the shaft and a point on the periphery wilt remain unchanged, in sign as well as in amount. The only difference will be that the resistance of the disc will be augmented and that there will be a greater fall of potential from a point on the shaft to a point on the periphery when the same current is traversing the external circuit. But since the current is forced to follow the lines of subdivision, we see that it will tend either to energize or de-energize the field, and this will depend, other things being equal, upon the direction of the Lines of subdivision.

From nowadays norms we are thought that a potential (voltage) source needs to have a low internal resistance. It appears Nik would be willing to sacrifice that for augmenting the generated potential.

Many speculations can be made, but to me it looks that he knew about the shape of magnetic field lines generated by magnet bars. Function of the direction of the segments and the polarity of the magnet facing the disc, he could increase or decrease the relative speed between the magnets and disc.

As a visual effect, the closest I could explain the phenomena is by showing the following optical illusion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5xtRdLOopU

[barbosi]

Note

Please be aware that in the second post I added a new picture (Figure 3a) representing a side view of a bar magnet.