Free energy already exist

[truesearch]

@inventionmaster:

I hope you come through with "real" proof and information to share with us for duplication.

Too many of us have been burned with the likes of "Mylow", "Inventacom", etc, etc.

Some of us want to give you time to come up with solid "PROOF" but . . experience has already set the stage to look really close for "bad" indicators.

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[ewizard]

Well I didn't want to admit I was quite skeptical from the start but I was, especially since the last person who had a user name starting with 'invent' turned out to be a total bust. I spent days setting up a forum just for him and the group he wanted to share with. He actually had a similar deal - a self running motor. Battery --> runs 12 car radiator fan motor --> turns generator --> generator recharges battery and provides excess power. I do happen to believe something similar to this is possible as in Bedini's 'Watson' machine, Chas Campbell's flywheel motor gen, our UFOPolitics may be on his way to this and some others I've seen. Anyway I ended up after this guy 'Inventacom' disappeared tracked down his BS story after talking to his local police, some neighbors and even a local convenience store where I figured he had to be known. All confirmed his BS story (although I'll admit it is possible he was silenced by the PTB and created the BS story - a bad accident - to get out of things). So I was leary right from the start here but I don't want to chase off ANY possible inventor with a lot of negative skepticism because one of these times it might just be real. So trust me no one is fooling me but I like to keep it optimistic.

Now having said that Inventionmaster and now that I have a better idea of where you are going with this I'll say this. Maybe you are already somewhat aware of this but I doubt you are fully aware or you wouldn't have stated your plans they way you have. I've got 3 long documents of inventions that were very likely 'Free energy' devices but not a single one has made it to market. In every case the inventor was either bought out, killed, disappeared or in some other way suppressed. You really don't want any of those outcomes for your idea. IMO there is only ONE way anyone will ever get a free energy or self running generator into the hands of those who need it most. That way will be to put out detailed plans (whether you sell them using Bitcoins or give it away) on how to build it. Post it far and wide and you might even want to do that anonymously (long range Wifi through public open Wifi at a site far from home). It seems especially prevalent with motor generators that inventors mysteriously disappear. I suspect that is because once the 'secret' is known any back yard tinkerer can build such a device.

One thing I would like you to clarify please. It sounds like this is not currently self-running? If it puts out ~ 3500 watts and only needs 400 watts why is it not self running? I can understand needing a battery to start it but then it should self run it it is really overunity, COP >1 or free energy. Are you sure you actually have something that can power devices and power itself? If your proof will be a video please make sure you move your camera slowly around the device, have a wattmeter on input and outputs (only about $20 each) have no possiblity stray wires running out of the picture and make it so there is no doubt for trickery because I guarantee you some will claim you are faking things if you don't take care of all those details. That will leave you feeling you wasted your time here and others feeling you are just a con artist wanting attention. Most people here have been down this path many times and none yet have resulted in anyone here having a device to power their home for free after initial investment.

With all that out of the way I'll just say onward and upward

[Allcanadian]

@ewizard
Yes "almost" just doesn't cut it and "close" only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

There is a common theme that works and that is build it, test it, prove it beyond all shodow of doubt then replicate it.

The next step is no easier and I don't believe patenting/seeking investment has ever worked because no device in the last 200 years has ever made it to market. If we want proof this system doesn't work then this would be it and it is almost impossible to deny.

I'm 100% behind open source or crowd funding and it is about time we take matters into our own hands.

AC

[inventionmaster]

I've been lighting the weight of the generator even more today. It does seem to get a little hot so additional cooling will be required in the final build but I don't want to build it into a 25 watt refrigerator unit so I was thinking of maybe taking a propeller off of a fan and mounting it to the spindle which may work. Anyway my main focus for now will not be cooling but just proving that it works.

I'm thinking once I have it working on video that I just might be able to get a little funding so that I can research and develop adequate cooling. Heat is my only major concern but since there are only like so many ways to cool something I'll focus on that last.

This build version will just be the test build and will just show and prove that I know what I'm doing. Then after I receive funding I will build an actual prototype version that will last for a very long time while running continuously.

It also seems to shake a little while running at full speed but that's just a balance issue with the main shaft but it does not seem to effect performance. I could easily fix it with some welding equipment which I can't afford but at least everyone will see that it works even though it shakes at full speed. Sorry with my OSD I like every thing to be perfect and the balance is not perfect.

[Ein~+ein]

@ Inventionmaster

Here's what you need to know about: The Art of Scamming

1: At least sound like you know what you're talking about.

2. Since extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, show what appears to be an actual working device...and call it something technical, not just 'free energy' generator. Carefully conceal any hidden power sources--drill a hole through a table if necessary. Search on YouTube for FE devices, you'll find half a million examples. You can easily appear far more credible than them if you attach expensive measurement instruments to said device--heck, you could even rig one to supply the hidden power while fixing the display to look like it's only measuring.

3. If you can't convince an engineer or expert (because they discovered your hidden power source), contact Sterling Allan.

[ewizard]

I'm sorry guys. When I give you such important hints like that I don't expect people to not see it. All of the other parts are useless because I'm replacing the engine with something else that is efficient enough to keep it spinning without burning any fuel ("eliminating the need for the engine"). This stuff is just so easy to me that I wind up expecting every one else to understand it the way I do. I apologize for the confusion.

How about a couple guesses of what is being used to run the generator.

1. An electric motor runs a flywheel of some sort with a belt or gears.
2. Flywheel runs the generator or possibly yet another flywheel which in turn runs the generator.

I still can't tell if you are saying you have not yet finished building this to where it runs as you expect or if you are just doing minor changes to what already has proven to provide more power out than in? Can you also clarify that?

[Turion]

The only post that anyone should be making here is that:

TALK IS CHEAP

A total lack of ANY information that allows anyone to replicate the device is what we have seen time after time after time. Soon will come some statement about "Not quite having finished it yet" and then we will discover that this is just a theory and he doesn't yet have a "working model", but as soon as he gets some "more money" he will be able to get it running. Blah, blah, blah

[boguslaw]

The only post that anyone should be making here is that:

TALK IS CHEAP

A total lack of ANY information that allows anyone to replicate the device is what we have seen time after time after time. Soon will come some statement about "Not quite having finished it yet" and then we will discover that this is just a theory and he doesn't yet have a "working model", but as soon as he gets some "more money" he will be able to get it running. Blah, blah, blah

There is always the reason why somebody is stating such extraordinary claim, and also a reason or many for further silence. Don't judge him before you come to the same situation. It's very sad how the money changed this world so everybody is keeping good information hidden for own profit or how many are threaten badly for releasing a bit of real concept. Only working together we can evolve as humanity.

[Allcanadian]

@boguslaw

It's very sad how the money changed this world so everybody is keeping good information hidden for own profit or how many are threaten badly for releasing a bit of real concept. Only working together we can evolve as humanity.

The process is always the same, first the technology is judged as to it's value then all involved sign NDA's. The NDA basically states that if we talk to anyone without permission we will be sued into oblivion. Next patents are filed and the technology is secured. By secured I mean all rights are transferred to a corporation and nobody can ever speak of it again outside the corporation.

It's funny that once the expectation of success is in the air there is no talk of how many people this could help, no talk of making the world a better place only of how much money they could make. At which point the true motivations are known and this process has nothing to do with helping people only secrecy and greed.

If you need a reason why the technology is not known it is secrecy and greed and I can tell you this as a fact from past experience. No offence to inventionmaster but from what I have heard he has no idea what he is doing, no game plan, nor what is in store for him if he has something. My guess is that there is a 99% chance he will sell his soul, be bound and gagged by a corporation and this technology will never see the light of day. I have seen it more times than I care to admit and will not participate in it again.

My honest advice to inventionmaster would be to disclose everything he has done and open source it to benefit mankind or keep his big mouth shut for his own good. Otherwise he will be just another person walking blindly into the vipers den only to be consumed by his own lack of foresight. Poor bugger.

AC

[Ein~+ein]

How about a couple guesses of what is being used to run the generator.

What difference does it make? As Inventormaster describes it, it's a perpetual motion device, the existence of which would violate the known laws of physics--you can't argue with Wikipedia's classification. (Free Energy' redirects to 'Perpetual Motion' on Wikipedia.) Why is it that people think they can break natural laws as easily as societal ones?

A few months ago, I questioned Thane Heins on his use of the term perpetual motion (without quote marks) to describe his ReGenX. It seemed he was reclaiming the term, perhaps defiantly. Years ago it upset him greatly that the mainstream media used that term as he obviously felt it discredited him. He responded to my query by deleting both his post and my response.

[ewizard]

What difference does it make? As Inventormaster describes it, it's a perpetual motion device, the existence of which would violate the known laws of physics--you can't argue with Wikipedia's classification. (Free Energy' redirects to 'Perpetual Motion' on Wikipedia.) Why is it that people think they can break natural laws as easily as societal ones?

A few months ago, I questioned Thane Heins on his use of the term perpetual motion (without quote marks) to describe his ReGenX. It seemed he was reclaiming the term, perhaps defiantly. Years ago it upset him greatly that the mainstream media used that term as he obviously felt it discredited him. He responded to my query by deleting both his post and my response.

If I have to explain this then I will assume you are stuck in traditional mainstream science and there will not likely be much I can do to help you get unstuck. First it would NOT be perpetual motion. Crying 'perpetual motion' is the first sign I see from those who are still thinking inside the box. It would simply mean it is getting energy from an unseen source. Just like a solar cell 100 years ago would seem like perpetual motion or magic as they would not have known that simple sunlight was the source of the electricity. At least not until nightfall Many of the 'laws' of physics are flawed. The 2nd law of Thermodynamics (LOT) has been proven wrong a number of times both through experiment and proven wrong mathematically. It works for most situations but not all. The 'laws' are just theories that fit most situations. I can't argue with Wikipedia? ROTFLOL ! There are many falsehoods on Wikipedia. I've seen the TRUTH censored from Wikipedia - they would not even allow people to change it anymore on a particular subject. The PTB won out. Most of the time anyone can change the Wikipedia. Just making that statement about Wikipedia shows your lack of knowledge. BTW I won't continue to discuss this further with you. So you can bash on if you want but I won't waste my time beyond one response on anyone stuck in the matrix.

[inventionmaster]

Yesterday I was wanting to take a picture of the motor shaft I was talking about and why it shakes at max speed but my Tenergy battery charger stopped working a few days ago . No need to worry though I've got another one on the way but it will take until late next week for it to get in from amazon. I use rechargeable batteries as a way to save money and I'm always recharging them when the charger works. The light on the charger started flashing and it gets super hot followed by a burning smell.

I normally use a camera while dissembling machines so that when I go to put it back together I can verify where anything goes by looking at pictures. That being said I was unable to take pictures of the motor as I was dissembling it but it does not really matter since the motor will never be used again. There is only like a million screws and nuts.

Anyway I'm building a mount with a little wood that should help with the shaking. It's not shaking super bad but it would be ideal for it to run as smoothly as possible.

Other thoughts about the heating problem:
Apparently after some research about the stuff I'm using it is normal for stuff to get hot. The only problem is that I don't know how hot is too hot but I guess time will tell. I'll just be careful to not burn anything out at least not before I get a chance to show everyone the machine while its working.

Other personal thoughts:
"I believe that people are way to quick to decide whats possible and whats not. With all the material and different planets in this universe it is possible to build or invent anything. You just have to have the know how and tools to do so."

BTW
My machine does not work against the laws of physics and it is not truly perpetual motion. What I'm doing is manipulating the force that drives the generator in order to provide and excess amount of left over energy that can be used to power itself and have more power left for TV's, Appliances, Computers, etc.

A little bit more specific: I first feed force into the machine first in the form of electricity and then that force is converted into physical rotational force and that rotational force is then converted back into so much more electricity that I'm able to have more than enough power to continue the rotation without needing the original source of the force that was used to start the machine because the machine is then able to feed off its own excessive force.

Just please don't ask me to repeat that 10 times really fast. Sometimes I have a hard time trying to explain to people what I'm doing because I tend to think differently than everyone else.

Most of the time when I try to tell people about some of my advanced inventions that has never been built yet this is the only reaction I ever get . Most people just can't comprehend what I try to explain. I'm not talking about this generator but I'm referring to far more advance things. As I have stated before whenever I learn how something works I begin to see many other possibilities for far more advanced devices or machines.

As a kid growing up I would always have dreams that anything in my mind could become a reality. When I got my first car a few years ago it quickly became a toy to me as I learned more and more about it. It became a toy to me because after I began to understand most of the technology behind it I began to see something that would redefine vehicles as we know it but the only bad thing is that it would never ever require any form of fuel.

As I have stated before I've spent most of my life advancing free energy theories and within days after getting my first generator I was able to get it to run by itself with almost no effort. This is proof that free energy has always existed and been suppressed so that the power companies can continue to make their billions a year and so that all governments can continue to collect their billions of taxes from it every year. This is why I don't feel completely safe bringing my machine to light but I also wonder if those who tried really could not do it but those who have seemingly been able to do it have mysteriously disappeared or so I have read.

These thoughts leave me with theories that implies that as long as we humans are filled with so much greed (not all of us) we will continue to not have the best possible tech that could be available to us all. I'm also aware that some people are actually against all forms of technology.

Anyway I've been contemplating on allot of this stuff my whole life and I do believe that only by actually working together can we achieve the most advanced tech. I'm not talking about these primitive computers but far more advanced things. We're so busy killing each other to protect our multi billion dollar oil and fuel companies that earth is still the only planet we live on and I blame that on greed of the green dollar bill. Look at the sky at night, wouldn't you love to visit another planet or space at least once in your life? Space is nothing but a gap between other stars and planets that we could all be living on if we can quit killing all of the smart people there are always more ways then oil, gas, fuel, and electricity to make money.

Thoughts of some people who controls what information is available in schools "we will teach them a little about electricity and even how to make just a little bit of it but we won't tech them how to make enough to power their home or how to make their own fuel for their cars, that would be a big no no because then the government would loose billions and billions per year".

BTW: I don't hate any government agencies.

[Turion]

You SAY you have a setup that works, but you aren't sharing it forothersto replicate. In my mind this is no different than those who have silenced previous inventors. In BOTH cases the end result us exactly the same....information that we desperately need to make significant changes on this planet is being kept from the people who need it.

[inventionmaster]

You SAY you have a setup that works, but you aren't sharing it forothersto replicate. In my mind this is no different than those who have silenced previous inventors. In BOTH cases the end result us exactly the same....information that we desperately need to make significant changes on this planet is being kept from the people who need it.

Even though my setup works I'm still in the beginning stages and still making modifications to get the absolutely best performance that I can afford to achieve. The only reason why I chose to build this thing now instead of later is to beat the summer electric bills. As I was browsing generators on-line I just happens to come across one that had an output big enough to make a difference.

Sometimes I test things I'm building before I'm completely finished with it so that I'll know that I'm not waisting my time. When I built an extremely simple version of the machine it worked and now I'm in the process of completing this particular build. Once it's complete I plan to share allot more info. I would also like to come up with a much safer way to build it and I will. If anything is done wrong it can prove to be lethal because this kind of power is dangerous. Even as careful as I'm being I wouldn't be surprised if it was to somehow electrocute me and if that happens then I could be killed by my own machine and I certainly would not be the first inventor killed by his own machine.

I no longer wire houses and I'm glad. Even though I know what I'm doing (mostly) I still fear electricity because of how dangerous it is and I think that its this fear that causes me to always be careful around it.

[Cornboy 555]

Gutsy.

Hello Inventionmaster, just a sugestion, maybe you could post a pic of all the guts you took out of your standard generator, to make it OU, because it would take a Super Genius to work out how your invention works, just by looking at the GUTS.

Regards Cornboy.