Perpetual Motion again

[veproject1]

How these machines work in the mind of Inventors

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KqOwJKWIAw

[Ufopolitics]

Motion Perpetual...Overunity...

Nice Video,

Motion Perpetual exists...

Overunity exists...

All are Real...and very possible to be replicated...

We have been "doped" by "Classic Physics" for more than 130 years...


We have in front of our eyes working perpetual motion devices for decades...and THEY have told Us that "only work with Fuel Explosions" as Initial Power...not real...not true...they could work with Gravity...they could work with magnetism...Unbalanced Forces of different Vectors, different movements combined, like linear with rotary...or else... Asymmetrical Structured Mechanisms...are endless.

We just "establish" our own limits...


Regards to All


Ufopolitics

[Peter Lindemann]

What is the point of your Project?

How these machines work in the mind of Inventors

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KqOwJKWIAw

Dear VE,

Obviously, neither of these machines run by themselves. What is the point of spending all of this money and time in creating these beautiful machines to repeatedly create the illusion that all of them work? Who's money are you spending? This can't simply be an ART project.

Are you interested in understanding how to let the Natural World energize our machines, or are you only interested in producing artful illusions?

Peter

[jdodson]

Visual Education Project

We have worked very hard to bring our exhibitions and workshops to students in Ontario. All of our machines and models were built in our spare time, without any financial support. We plan to relocate models and workshops to a permanent museum facility, but such expansion of our project will require financial aid.

Visual Education Project has received funding from The Trillium Foundation to develop a business plan. We also plan to federally incorporate in order to attract staff and museum grants in the future.

@Peter Lindemann

They don't believe in perpetual motion. They've gotten several million views on youtube which i think could have generated several thousand dollars if they are youtube partners, they are also directing every viewer to donate on their website. Plus the funding from the fundation and considering its a team of several people, that would explain why they have such nice models.

The models do look great but implying they work by themselves is not right.

[veproject1]

@Peter Lindemann

They don't believe in perpetual motion. They've gotten several million views on youtube which i think could have generated several thousand dollars if they are youtube partners, they are also directing every viewer to donate on their website. Plus the funding from the fundation and considering its a team of several people, that would explain why they have such nice models.

The models do look great but implying they work by themselves is not right.

So, you are going to count the others money? Shame on you. As a non profit organisation I have rights to except donation. From over seven M visitors one lady only from Italy donate us $15. Great. The others do not like "Free Energy"
They like "Energy for free" and they are happy to share something with others. The truth does not matter. Can you count my money I spent for hundreds of free presentations for students? Do I believe in PM? I'm the only one who made 15 practical models and discussion on my site is biggest on the Web. My answer: I'd like to believe.

[jdodson]

That's great that you like to believe...yet your intention appears to be, to deceive people with trickery to gain publicity. Illusions are fine as long as you tell people its an illusion.

I applaud you for the models you built and did not mean to offend you. I would support your efforts if you would simply disclose in your presentations that what you have is not self running.

Its nice to see models and to know those designs don't work. People can then spend time and focus on alternate designs that may work.

[Ein~+ein]

YouTube's become the world's stage... for acts of illusion, comedy, drama, sheer stupidity, you name it!

[Farmhand]

Do I believe in PM? I'm the only one who made 15 practical models and discussion on my site is biggest on the Web. My answer: I'd like to believe.

In other words. No you don't believe. Is it so painful to answer a question
directly and clearly.

You don't believe in man made Perpetual Motion, and yet you make models
that appear to work, you use text which could be unclear to some and imply that
the machines are workable, in the context people assume workable as
perpetual motion machines and you encourage people build the machines to
find out. Some are thinking they will be building perpetual motion machines.

People link the video's as examples of perpetual motion machines, so some are
obviously being misled by you.

My opinion is, you do and say whatever you like and so will others.

I think you do way more harm than good with these video's, mainly because of
the lack of a clear statement they do not work as perpetual motion machines. I think it's wrong.

Lectures to students is different, it's not public.

Anyway good luck to you in whatever it is you are trying to achieve.

No need to reply, no hard feelings, just my opinion. Feel welcome to try to change it.

Cheers

As far as Non-Profit goes, you could all take a wage and call it administration
costs, non-profit means very little, all you have to do is make the
wages/costs exceed the donations/income and kapow non-profit organisation.

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[veproject1]

Curious visitors can go to Online Engineering Museum to read a "clear statement".

[ewizard]

Since the veproject vid's have come up a number of times from new people asking if they are real the first time I saw one I just dug around a little - "Google is your friend" .... very little trouble to see they clearly state they are to stimulate the imagination of students in science. Am I not correct veproject1? I don't see any problem with what veproject is doing. I think it's a good thing. I think they actually get a lot of people to end up here or other energy forums looking for answers and I think that's a good thing. But the one thing I would like to see change on the veproject web site is to eliminate the statement that PM is not possible. Quite the opposite. All things are in perpetual motion from the smallest electrons to galaxies and planets. At least 13 Billion years is close enough to perpetual for me.

[veproject1]

Since the veproject vid's have come up a number of times from new people asking if they are real the first time I saw one I just dug around a little - "Google is your friend" .... very little trouble to see they clearly state they are to stimulate the imagination of students in science. Am I not correct veproject1? I don't see any problem with what veproject is doing. I think it's a good thing. I think they actually get a lot of people to end up here or other energy forums looking for answers and I think that's a good thing. But the one thing I would like to see change on the veproject web site is to eliminate the statement that PM is not possible. Quite the opposite. All things are in perpetual motion from the smallest electrons to galaxies and planets. At least 13 Billion years is close enough to perpetual for me.

"I would like to see change on the veproject web site is to eliminate the statement that PM is not possible". Accepted.
Probably you are right. Would you like to participate in creation of a new statement? Other members are welcome.

Thank you

[ewizard]

[veproject1]

"Such a device or system would be in violation of the law of Conservation of Energy, which states that energy can never be created or destroyed, and is therefore deemed impossible by the laws of physics. Our working models assist us to better explain the impossibility of Perpetual Motion"
Probably you have seen it here: Online Engineering Museum

Thank you for the comment

Val

[soundiceuk]

Hi all!

veproject1 I love your models.

Here is the best example I can provide:

The energy comes from a very clever combination; gravity, centrifugal force, pendulum effect but with one way bearings making the pendulum positive + inertia and this is what allows this device to run.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6l1cojripb9pmrm/Inertia%20deflects.mp4

This continued to run, snapped the chain to the motor/generator, then ran for 15 minutes before inventor got bored waiting before having to manually stop it running.

There is 192 kg of weights.

A very small version would need much less weight to prove it.

I welcome your opinion.

All the best,

Paul

[john_g]

Hi all!

veproject1 I love your models.

Here is the best example I can provide:

The energy comes from a very clever combination; gravity, centrifugal force, pendulum effect but with one way bearings making the pendulum positive + inertia and this is what allows this device to run.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6l1cojripb9pmrm/Inertia%20deflects.mp4

This continued to run, snapped the chain to the motor/generator, then ran for 15 minutes before inventor got bored waiting before having to manually stop it running.

There is 192 kg of weights.

A very small version would need much less weight to prove it.

I welcome your opinion.

All the best,

Paul

Hi Paul

That's looking quite promising.

@veproject1

I like your site and models. The law of conservation of energy can
be stated:

'The energy of an isolated system is constant'

Therefore in a non isolated system the energy is not constant? I believe that Paul's project is non isolated.

Regards

John