Could this be what tesla was trying to do

[MonsieurM]

not sure what you are referring to?
carrier to me is a stable wave that could be either amplitude or frequency modulated and ping is term I do not recognize in this sense? You talking about using the TC fundamental as the carrier?

sorry just saw your reply ...

switch perspective , it would be easier to understand

imagine the waves on a beach and a surfer riding the wave .... the waves are your carrier ... and the ping is your surfer ... hope this helps

[Kokomoj0]

Good explanation, but unfortunately wrong.
A is the magnetic vector potential. So basically, the formula says that when you vary the electric field over time, you will induce magnetic effects. Very similar to the other way round, when you think of it.
I can not think of any reason why someone would induce magnetic effects in the Earth, which would take a considerable amount of energy

Ernst

Yeh that is a spice style model.
the power transferred by an electromagnetic wave diminishes by the square of the distance, using the earth as a point source at low frequencies eliminates that problem along with nodal brownouts creating a world wide near field since the maximum distance anyone would go from the transmitter source would be about 7 miles, (more reasonably 2 miles), and the use of low frequencies enables bringing the whole system into resonance creating one giant resonator.

Well my understanding is that tesla planned on lighting the oceans which gives me the impression he was talking about immense working power levels.

Not sure how one could demonstrate it on a small scale though?

[Kokomoj0]

sorry just saw your reply ...

switch perspective , it would be easier to understand

imagine the waves on a beach and a surfer riding the wave .... the waves are your carrier ... and the ping is your surfer ... hope this helps

ok so you are talking about modulating or putting information on the fundamental then, got it. yeh and with that much power could even do that on a harmonic I suppose.

[Bob Smith]

When you set a huge mass into resonance by building up momentum (like a giant joule ringer) taking a little power off of it would be unnoticeable in so far as shifting the resonance is concerned.

Wasn't this the point of the TMT? Using the resonance of the primary coil, to bring a secondary into sympathetic oscillation, and drawing off a (third)collector coil? The way I understand it, the primary would need to be a series-wound bifilar, in order to prevent reactive losses between the primary and secondary.

That said, I do agree that the resonant oscillation is going to decay, and this is why you need to keep "kicking" the primary to keep it ringing. What is the source of this "kick"?
Bob

[Ernst]

Yeh that is a spice style model.
the power transferred by an electromagnetic wave diminishes by the square of the distance, using the earth as a point source at low frequencies eliminates that problem along with nodal brownouts creating a world wide near field since the maximum distance anyone would go from the transmitter source would be about 7 miles, (more reasonably 2 miles), and the use of low frequencies enables bringing the whole system into resonance creating one giant resonator.

Well my understanding is that tesla planned on lighting the oceans which gives me the impression he was talking about immense working power levels.

Not sure how one could demonstrate it on a small scale though?

Lighting the oceans would not require so much energy. The way we light fluoro's is about the least efficient (energy-wise) and most wasteful (material-wise) way. Using HF-HV you an 18W tube starts to emit light at a micro Watt level. (not enough to read a book, but quite visible) Tesla was well aware of this and thought it could be done with even less power if you could create a high enough frequency. To light up the sky over the oceans may take a few Mega Watt, though.

The Earth has a number of unique properties owing to its size, which makes certain small scale demo's impossible.
Just yesterday I posted a related reply in my thread on Wardenclyffe.
This point is very interesting, it will shine a light on Tesla's view on electricity (which is probably the one and only correct view).

Ernst.