Why we fail to replicate OU devices?

[Haffalump]

Hello all and Happy new year.

For all who believe on ou devices like Late Don.L.Smith, Terial Kapandaze etc are welcome to share there thought regarding failure of these replications.
What the basic thing we miss?
I believe we need only the correct theory.
Hope we learn from our failures.

Regards,

[Gdez]

Great question!

I think that most of us here on this and other forums are feeling this way. So many good ideas and so few real solutions.
Maybe the problem is that we are all looking for the "holy grail" of free energy.
It could be that it will take a combination of ideas and devices to make a real difference. It seems that everybody, (including myself), haven't figured a way to make many of our ideas work together-- maybe that is the key.
just a thought
greg

[velacreations]

personally, I think it is because the originals were flawed, especially when it comes to their measurements and data collection. They think they have free energy, and so their results represent their bias. It doesn't mean they really do.

[Michelinho]

The $5.00 question...

Hi Haffalump,

There could be many reasons for the failure in replicating OU devices:

The replicator lacks information to build an exact duplicate.
The replicator does not try to use or make the exact reproduction of the OU device.
The inventor(s) withhold information to prevent duplication for a Patent application.
The inventor(s) withhold information to make money selling books or appearing in conferences.
OR all of the above.

Take care,

Michel

[Ufopolitics]

Great Thread...long answers...

Hello Haffalump,

You have written a short Thread, a short question...that has many answers, long ones, as many reasons why...OU is not replicated properly or fails to...

First You cited two guys...D. L Smith...and Tariel Kapanadze...two different "scenarios"...however, in both cases, applies what Michelino wrote...

Not Complete and Enough Information to Replicate

The first one (D.Smith) did not reveal the whole thing...trying to "protect his Art"...
The second (Kapanadze)...fall in a trap by the Investors...by signing an NDA to them...which was completely stupid , due to lack of Law counseling...
At the end both Individuals are silenced...and only guessing...we will may find how they did it...


Michelino has briefly resumed most of the main issues here.

But I will add to them...

The OU Shop...

1-Replications does not maintain within EXACT spec's...just because the replicator "thinks, assumes" He/She could do it "better"...then starts a series of "Improving" without making it like is supposed to be.
2-Replicators, without reading properly, without acquiring the proper "data"...without making the proper steps...try to Jump To Final Stage...maybe thinking "He is great and could do it"...then it is a complete failure...then they say "it does not works"...Typical behavior.
3- Not everyone is capable/trained/expertise in some of the required fields to build an OU Device. And this is a big draw back...

To be able to build a complex device is not all that is required...but also its "surroundings", the controllers, the peripherals around them...then some "believe" they could just go out "shopping" to the next mall and buy everything ready to "Plug and Play"...NOPE...doesn't not work that way either...

To be able to make an OU Device...where there are absolutely no books about them...no data at all...We need to become everything required to build it there...the Math Calculators...the Lathe Guy...the Coil Winder...the Welder...the Designer...the Electronics guy...the craftsman and handy man...everything in just one person...
And IF you are dependent upon just one single person to "do it for you"...you are simply F***ED

The Politics behind...

Then I need to add the "Conspiracy" behind OU Devices...
And whoever, does not look/believe at OU as something that DO EXISTS...will tell you that "Conspiracy is a deviation...a waste of time here"...
Conspiracy has been around since Maxwell...passing through Tesla...and everyone else that you could cite related to this fields.
Conspiracy has been the one that has been in charge to "erase all data" up to now...based on Patents...on Protections...based on "Investors"...etc,etc
Conspiracy has locked in time Obsolete Models...because they are Inferior...and that makes oil still prevails.
Conspiracy has taught a completely WRONG and Missing Data Science...

And last...The Skeptics...The "Conservatives Parties"...

This are like an Army...defending the obsolete Sciences...maybe because that is the only way they see it...others because it WILL influence their life's negatively to simply accept an OU Device...it simply ...will become "annoying" to be that way...

Then whenever one person says, writes...I have got OU!...They fly like flies to sugar candy...to start inquiring...when they have not done absolutely no replications on spoken/related device(s)...just to brutally and ruthlessly inquire...to demand measurements...to criticize and try to minimize claims...some cases they even try to set the claimer into an ignorant and lack of scientific approach...

Simply...They will recur to ANYTHING they could...in order not to allow it to happen...


All this...and then some more...are reasons why...to "start" answering your question.

It is the World we all live in...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[velacreations]

people are making the assumption that the original device achieved OU in the first place.

And it is not wrong to ask for verification of such an extraordinary claim, like measurements, data, etc. That is good science.

Bad science is blaming shortcomings on critics/conspiracies, instead of the experiment/theory itself. Bad science is making wild claims without data to back it up.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

[mbrownn]

it will take a combination of ideas and devices to make a real difference.

correct

The replicator lacks information to build an exact duplicate.
The replicator does not try to use or make the exact reproduction of the OU device.
The inventor(s) withhold information to prevent duplication for a Patent application.
The inventor(s) withhold information to make money selling books or appearing in conferences.
OR all of the above.

Also correct as is UFO but there is a device that is small, simple and relatively easy to build. The Bedini (Imhotep) fan.

Once you have it up and running and you test it it does show overunity, OK I cant run a house with it but it does prove a point. Thanks JB

I have been working on the Lockridge device for what must be about 6 years now and because there is no real information about it I have had to work it all out myself learning as I go. No I don't have all the answers but I can say this:-

In appearance the unit JB has is correct

It incorporates many principals talked about such as transformer effects, inductive kickback, recycling, asymmetry etc.

It would appear to be able to power 3 100w 110v bulbs in parallel.

The problem has been that every time I think I have figured it out, the device throws up something that prevents it from working. now I have been down all these wrong paths it seams like the device is giving me clues in the right direction.

We have to listen (metaphorically) to the devices we are using. Look for the unusual, the things we normally dismiss and try to eliminate, learn how to exploit them. Not directly as an output but feed them back into the machine.

The biggest problem is we don't see what what the devices are telling us.

The crazy thing is I stopped trying to make it work like a motor, in fact I did the opposite and tried to stop it from working as a motor and what did it do? It accelerated under load and it does not do it in the way others talk about.

Listen to your devices, they are speaking to you.

[mbrownn]

people are making the assumption that the original device achieved OU in the first place.

And it is not wrong to ask for verification of such an extraordinary claim, like measurements, data, etc. That is good science.

Bad science is blaming shortcomings on critics/conspiracies, instead of the experiment/theory itself. Bad science is making wild claims without data to back it up.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I am with you on this, the fans overunity is an anomalous battery effect. It is only anomalous because we don't understand the battery.

[velacreations]

I am with you on this, the fans overunity is an anomalous battery effect. It is only anomalous because we don't understand the battery.

do you have a link with replications/descriptions, etc?

[Ufopolitics]

The "Simplicity" of OU...

people are making the assumption that the original device achieved OU in the first place.

And it is not wrong to ask for verification of such an extraordinary claim, like measurements, data, etc. That is good science.

Bad science is blaming shortcomings on critics/conspiracies, instead of the experiment/theory itself. Bad science is making wild claims without data to back it up.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Sorry Velacreations, but disagree with you there on both statements...

It is so simple...to check out any device to confirm it outputs more than it takes in...that even an Elementary Student could that "Math"...if we could call "Math"...to add, subtract, multiply and divide...

When it gets to Motors...it becomes a bit more complex to do this operations...cause of the Torque Measurements...and that is completely output, mechanical, but output. And I am not referring to "Math Involved"...which is also Elementary School degree...but to build from a scratch a Dynamometer to verify results...basically on small scale motors....find the right scales...the right instruments like a suitable power source...besides having the time and $$ to make it happen.


My Five Pole Radio Shack Motor Conversion is an Over Unity device, simple as that...it has three to five times the speed and torque of original...PLUS it returns Energy through its Output...wait a minute?...a Motor that "returns Energy Back? with a "return gate"?...

That is Over Unity along...
How many have been able to test the Real Torque it has...no one...Now...the fact no one, because of incapability to make it happen...or means, like time, money etc,etc...That right there is NOT any proof it is not OU...

"Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence"


Now, related to Conspiracy...

I have been working on development of Motors/Generators since 1989...and it was after I read Lt Colonel Tom Bearden Books, Articles...and Videos...as also Vladimir Utkin...till I realized My Machines were All Asymmetrical...therefore...I DO Like anything related to Conspiracies...they reveal what Classic Science do NOT want to...period

If I get chosen for a Nobel Prize...and at same exact time I get cited to attend a Conference about denouncing the Conspiracy behind ALL this...Guess where I am gonna go First?!

To that Conference of course!!...You bet your most precious asset I will!

Now that does NOT "automatically" set me into the "Bad Science"??!!...where did you pull that idea from?
It is obvious you have not read many, many people here and out there about OU, FE and Conspiracies...including Mr Peter Lindemann...or Tom Bearden...now, you mean to tell me they all preach wrong and bad Sciences ?!

You are the one who's got it completely wrong Velacreations...


Sorry but that is my opinion.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Hello Mr Brownn

correct



Also correct as is UFO but there is a device that is small, simple and relatively easy to build. The Bedini (Imhotep) fan.

Once you have it up and running and you test it it does show overunity, OK I cant run a house with it but it does prove a point. Thanks JB

Hello and Happy New Year MBrownn,

Yes, that is correct...just to cite one simple...OU Device...small but is there.

Remember Tom Bearden words...

"It only takes to find just One White Crow...to say that Not all Crows are Black..."


Regards


Ufopolitics

[velacreations]

That is Over Unity along...
How many have been able to test the Real Torque it has...no one...Now...the fact no one, because of incapability to make it happen...or means, like time, money etc,etc...That right there is NOT any proof it is not OU...

"Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence"

The burden of proof is on those making extraordinary claims. We don't have to prove them wrong, they have to prove themselves right. That's how science works, data/measurements that support claims.

If they don't have the equipment to properly test a device to bring supporting evidence or data to the table, then they have no place making extraordinary claims of OU. Any claim of OU can only be logically made after significant data and evidence to support that claim is presented.

Using your logic, I can say that I am a time traveler, and since you can't prove me wrong, it makes my statement true. Sorry, that's not how science works.

Now that does NOT "automatically" set me into the "Bad Science"??!!...where did you pull that idea from?
It is obvious you have not read many, many people here and out there about OU, FE and Conspiracies...including Mr Peter Lindemann...or Tom Bearden...now, you mean to tell me they all preach wrong and bad Sciences ?!

If you are claiming the reason your device doesn't work is because of a conspiracy, then that is bad science. If you are claiming that your device doesn't work because people criticize it, then that is bad science. If you are claiming that your device works, because no one can prove you wrong, then that is bad science. That is what I am saying.

Are there conspiracies in the world? yes.
Are they responsible for all failed replications? absolutely not.

Blaming failures on conspiracies, critics, or gnomes is just plain bad science. The failure is a result of a mistake by the operator or of the theory behind the device.

There is a lot of bad science in the OU/FE world. If someone criticizes a method/device, they are attacked. That's not science, that's a cult following.

And that's the main reason main stream science does not take the OU/FE community seriously. Because it is filled with baseless claims, failed replications, and cult followings, instead of good scientific methods. It's not a conspiracy against the OU/FE community, it is a lack of supporting data, proper measurements, and coherence to the scientific method.

[wayne.ct]

the basic thing

What the basic thing we miss?

Very few highly curious and motivated experimenters and researchers have the means and mental fortitude to both think through every aspect and also build the necessary devices to test for REAL results. I know I don't. This is the basic missing thing, in my view. Real life demands that we create enough income to meet the demands of the significant people in our lives. Don Smith and Tariel Kapanadze obviously had/have the financial means and personal attributes to support their lifestyle AND research. The same can be said for Tesla, Edison, Westinghouse and many other individuals. Foster Gamble, for example, has travelled the globe to view inventions and interview inventors and even he makes no claims that what he has seen is the REAL DEAL though I admit he makes it sound real.

As long as people have remnants of greed and megalomanic ambition they will NOT tell you or me ANYTHING. We just have to accept that, unfortunate as that may be. The clues are freely available, but people want to live. Few can do this and give it away. If they were to start they would soon be disposed of by the "powers that be". Look at what happened to Keshe in the last few years. He has the money, he has the audience and he has technology that people believe in. You still can't get squat from him. But, you can buy his books!

I am trying to build a persuasive argument here. If someone wants to be part of the solution to the "energy" problem, or whatever, the choice is clear. You must be willing to share information in the most discreet and cautious way possible. The best way seems to be books and construction plans where the "get something for free" crowd is excluded. However, if you REALLY want to get information out in the hands of the most people, build a prototype or replication and publish an anonymous video on one of the many video hosting sites. Then, come to this forum and post a link.

My point? Very few people will actually DO this work, even though the risk is tiny and the benefit to humanity will be unlimited. You, on the other hand, must spend many hours to become knowledgeable so you can detect fraud and deception. And, believe-you-me, I will lurk on the sidelines and keep my mouth shut. I truly believe the general population is ignorant of the TRUTH and that includes many energy "secrets".

If the trolls and disinformation agents would stay away, this forum would be much more useful. (Are you one?) Since you seem to want to know, I suggest you focus on magnetism and gyroscopic mechanics. Joseph Newman has been talking about this for decades and his demos are about as REAL as you can get. And, by the way, you can't ignore the effect of resonance. If you are serious, these are the most basic technologies to focus on. GOOD LUCK.

[velacreations]

Here's a really good example of what I am talking about:

My Five Pole Radio Shack Motor Conversion is an Over Unity device, simple as that...it has three to five times the speed and torque of original...PLUS it returns Energy through its Output...wait a minute?...a Motor that "returns Energy Back? with a "return gate"?...

That is Over Unity along...
How many have been able to test the Real Torque it has...no one

You make a claim that it has more torque, and then you state that no one has tested the torque.

You cannot claim something if you don't have the evidence to support it!

Well, you obviously can (you just did), but no one should take that claim seriously, until there is evidence to support it. That is what I am talking about. Claims without support make for bad science.

[Farmhand]

A regular induction motor has the ability to return unused energy to the supply,
it's called reactive power. It's been going on since they were invented.
The energy stored in the coils which is not output as shaft power is returned to
the source or to a PFC device instead to be reused. And as well as that the
counter emf created when there is reduced load restricts the input to make the
motor automatically more efficient at all loads. They do have pitfalls as
does everything that is not perfect. Nothing is perfect.

Cheers