Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera

[Matu]

[Ufopolitics]

Resistors and Diodes Test Video...

Hello to All,

And like I have promised before the short video on the testing...

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P51Pi-VTlfA&feature=youtu.be[/VIDEO]

RESISTORS TEST WITH DIODES

[Ufopolitics]

[hanon1492]

Feynman speaking about two different phenomena in induction. Pay attention to the linked video.

One is manifested in transformers (flux changes: emf = A•dB/dt ) and other is manifested in generators (circuit moves: emf = v•B )

Feynman about two different phenomena in induction on Vimeotwo different phenomena. Usually such a beautiful generalization is found to stem from a single deep underlying principle. Nevertheless, in this case there does not appear to be any such profound implication. We have to understand the “rule” as the combined effects of two quite separate phenomena."


And now my view: In transformers Lenz is manifested as an opposed field to the inducer field. In generators Lenz is manifested, not as an opposed field to the inducer electromagnets, but as a dragging in the moving armature which has to be overcomed with more mechanical energy. If nothing moves...

[Ufopolitics]

The Same, Exact Thing...different "Colors"...

Feynman speaking about two different phenomena in inductionFeynman about two different phenomena in induction on Vimeo

Do not agree with the above AT ALL!!...:

NOT TWO DIFFERENT "PHENOMENA"...BUT JUST THE SAME, EXACT EFFECT!!

There are absolutely NOT TWO different phenomena there at all...BUT JUST ONE!!...BOTH, bolts down to the same, identical effect.

In BOTH there is a CONSTANT, COMMON FACTOR which is simply DEFINED AS: FIELD CHANGES, as stated in Faraday First Law to obtain an Induced EMF.

And so, WHATEVER MEANS we use to generate A FIELD CHANGE will produce an EMF.

We can generate FIELD CHANGES by variations from its source, like a Transformer which works only on AC Source, since AC is ALWAYS CHANGING.

OR, Like Figuera...Who discovered a NEW way to CHANGE FIELD by developing a NEW CHANGING SOURCE derived from a DC SUPPLY...


We can generate FIELD CHANGES by variations through SPACE/TIME like Generator does.


And there should be MANY OTHER WAYS to achieve a CHANGING FIELD...which We still have no idea could be possible...just because We have not discover them yet..

And by FRAGMENTING this SINGLE PHENOMENA into TWO...AS considering BOTH ARE DIFFERENT...ALL We are doing is LIMITING OURSELVES for ACCEPTING other new forms which could be discovered.

And now my view: In transformers Lenz is manifested as an opposed field to the inducer field. In generators Lenz is manifested, not as an opposed field to the inducer electromagnets, but as a dragging in the moving armature which has to be overcomed with more mechanical energy. If nothing moves...

Your "view" above is just a CONSEQUENCE from the first statement you posted, and obviously agree with..."Two Different Things"...when BOTH are EXACTLY THE SAME DEAL...WITH DIFFERENT "COLORS".

In transformers Lenz is manifested as an opposed field to the inducer field.

Then You write:

If nothing moves...

In Transforner "nothing moves"...In Figuera "nothing moves"...then what makes you think that in Figuera, Lenz would not be manifested as it does in Transformers??!!

Then You write:

In generators Lenz is manifested, not as an opposed field to the inducer electromagnets, but as a dragging in the moving armature...

Your above statement is completely DEAD WRONG!!

In Generator Lenz IS manifested EXACTLY as TWO OPPOSED FIELDS, which CAUSES/RESULTS AS A Magnetic-Mechanical DRAG...

1- When Field Rotor (Inducer) IS MOVING AWAY from Induced Field, Lenz creates an OPPOSED MAGNETIC ATTRACTION, which opposes to the Rotor Movement.

2- When Field Rotor (Inducer) is APPROACHING to Induced Field , Lenz generates a MAGNETIC REPULSION FIELD, which OPPOSES to Rotor approaching movement.

In Generators, Lenz becomes TWO OPPOSED FIELDS/FORCES which Oppose to Rotor Mechanical Spin...

This is SO SIMPLE...BUT You COMPLICATE IT so much, just because of your completely OFF, then WRONG Conclusions...

BUT DO NOT FEEL BAD...THIS IS THE WAY IT HAS BEEN DONE FOR MORE THAN A CENTURY...

BOTH EFFECTS ARE IDENTICAL, SAME NATURE...SAME ORIGINS...JUST DIFFERENT MANIFESTATIONS THROUGH DIFFERENT PARAMETERS.

AND SO, OF COURSE, SINCE DIFFERENT PARAMETERS ARE INVOLVED, THEN DIFFERENT MATHEMATICAL EQUATIONS MUST BE APPLIED...TO CALCULATE THE SAME EXACT EFFECT...A FIELD CHANGE TO OBTAIN AN EMF...SIMPLE.



Ufopolitics

[bistander]

Fields

G'morning Ufo,

If they are the same thing, why then is maximun induced voltage seen with primary field-secondary field alignment in a transformer and maximun generated voltage seen when main field-armature field is in quadrature in the generator?

Motion is the difference.

bi

[Ufopolitics]

G'morning Ufo,

If they are the same thing, why then is maximun induced voltage seen with primary field-secondary field alignment in a transformer and maximun generated voltage seen when main field-armature field is in quadrature in the generator?

Motion is the difference.

bi

Good Morning Bistander,

Well, like I wrote before in my last statement on my last post...:

BOTH EFFECTS ARE IDENTICAL, SAME NATURE...SAME ORIGINS...JUST DIFFERENT MANIFESTATIONS THROUGH DIFFERENT PARAMETERS.

AND SO, OF COURSE, SINCE DIFFERENT PARAMETERS ARE INVOLVED, THEN DIFFERENT MATHEMATICAL EQUATIONS MUST BE APPLIED...TO CALCULATE THE SAME EXACT EFFECT...A FIELD CHANGE TO OBTAIN AN EMF...SIMPLE.

Meaning FIELD CHANGES are simply originated by different Factors in your both cited examples above...and so, they Generate differently the resulting EMF.

Motion is the difference.

Of course...and "Motion" means a Variation through Space/Time...which are different Parameters as the ones involved in Transformers.

However, this is an "apparent" difference...since in Transformers, the Time Parameter is dictated by a fixed frequency from the AC sine E.G: Sixty (60) cycles per second.

While in a Generator, the "right motion" is only achieved when rotor reaches a specific speed...3600 RPM's which derives in exactly same given example as above...60 Cycles per second.

What we are changing are the Parameters to obtain the same thing...the Field Change, which in turns generates the EMF...and so, different parameters to Change Field will result in different forms of EMF manifestations.

When I was carefully observing the waves obtained by my Figuera Set up on my Scope...I realized that the Signal obtained at output is just a "Mixed Result" from both simultaneously signals generated by both Primaries Inductors...and so, this output signal is completely different from the one generated by either an AC Transformer or an Electric Generator....that we could "smooth" it out and make it "appear" just like both devices mentioned?...of course we could...You and I know very well we could "modify" signal and make them all look the same way.

Let me try to put it in a more simple way...

The Field Changes or Field Variations (no matter the source is producing it) establish a Pattern, which Pattern in turn is "reproduced" on the Induced or Secondaries just like an "Echo"...or a Magnetic Resonance, which produces an EMF we can work with directly...meaning it is the "tangible" result...from an "Intangible Pattern" which is derived from the varying-changing magnetic field...

Hope it is better explained now...

Regards


Ufopolitics

[bistander]

Fields

Ufo,

You put forth an argument but appear to agree. The motion generated voltage needs to be treated differently than the stationary induced emf. I agree both use a magnetic field and result in an emf.

Thought we tabled this.

bi

[Ufopolitics]

Let's start opening Horizons...

Ufo,

You put forth an argument but appear to agree. The motion generated voltage needs to be treated differently than the stationary induced emf. I agree both use a magnetic field and result in an emf.

Thought we tabled this.

bi

Great Bistander!!

So, let's "Table" this for real...glad we reach an agreement!!

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By the way...I should have called the Graph above not "Simplify" but "Generalize" the Induced EMF Process...

And of course, we could "complicate" the above graph...by adding Parameters Involved, Math Formulas, etc,etc..However, it will not change the Main View Order.

And please...if you do not agree with something on the above Graphic...even the colors...please let me know and I -for sure- will change it...


Regards



Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

New Simplified Table

Change "Rotary" to motion. There are linear generators (and motors).

Agree...done deal!!

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I also changed the title...just a bit.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[hanon1492]

The magic of the Figuera generator is that makes possible to convert two variable magnetic fields in time in the electromagnets (dB/dt) into a variable magnetic field in space

[Cadman]

Not very impressive

Two 1-1/2" dia x 4" coils with 1-1/2" dia x 2" induced core between them.
Coils have 248 turns each. Permeability set to SI steel.
North poles opposing.




1 amp in left coil, 2 amp in right coil.




2 amps in each coil.



2 amps in left coil, 1 amp in right coil.


Cheers
Cadman

[Ufopolitics]

Two 1-1/2" dia x 4" coils with 1-1/2" dia x 2" induced core between them.
Coils have 248 turns each. Permeability set to SI steel.
North poles opposing.




1 amp in left coil, 2 amp in right coil.




2 amps in each coil.



2 amps in left coil, 1 amp in right coil.


Cheers
Cadman

Hey Cadman!!

Fields look pretty well, sweeping length is perfect!!


Is that based on your real set up?...or just a simulation?

I am testing right now a very similar spec set, primaries are identical and secondary is just 1/2 inch longer...what voltage are you using with those amps?

And are U using Part G?

Could you please give some info?


Thanks Friend!!


Ufopolitics

[Cadman]

Hi Ufo

It's a simulation I ran to test the idea of the induced core swapping polarities, which this confirms.

The software uses amp turns only. V=I*R and I=V/R you know.

Yes I am using part G in real life.

However you might be surprised to know this sim convinced me to NOT build this set up! The flux strength put through center core is rather pathetic due to excessive reluctance in the air path, and this is what I expected to see. Unless you or MM or someone shows otherwise I consider this set up to be a dead end.

Don't misunderstand, I am still continuing with my build.

Regards,
Cadman

[bistander]

Two 1-1/2" dia x 4" coils with 1-1/2" dia x 2" induced core between them.
Coils have 248 turns each. Permeability set to SI steel.
North poles opposing.




1 amp in left coil, 2 amp in right coil.




2 amps in each coil.



2 amps in left coil, 1 amp in right coil.


Cheers
Cadman

Very nice CM. Well done.

bi