Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera

[Ufopolitics]

--> Hanon, all

Thanks for reply. I Have more weird text, a new part arrived to my mind from patent 44267.

""the resistance makes the function of a distributor of the current because that current not going to excite some electromagnets excites others and so on;""

Hello Seaad,

It means that Current is always going to be utilized on either one primary or the other primary electromagnet.

When one electromagnet (primary speaking) is filling up with current, the other one is emptying out, and so on per each mating pairs (facing each others with Induced Coil inserted in between..

The above together with this; ""and always in contact with two of their contacts"", makes me think of another post from me in Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy februari.

That part of text refers to Commutator Elements, and it means that brush must be in contact always with Two Commutator Elements-Segments, and in order to achieve this, the brush must be wider than one commutator element, or close to be two elements in contact face width.

Pls see my pic. with fewer steps below (N.b. L+R is Inductance and coil resistanse )

It seems to me that the electromagnets are to be connected gradually!

Hanon can you check translation?

Arne

Negative, Each Set of Mating Electromagnets in Primaries receive the same currents disbursal, and the minus-plus/ plus-minus relation of currents relate per each pair (N-S).

You could also connect resistors and commutator like I am making it below:

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[seaad]

More wierd translation or text

--> Hanon, all

Thanks for reply. I Have more weird text, a new part arrived to my mind from patent 44267.

""the resistance makes the function of a distributor of the current because that current not going to excite some electromagnets excites others and so on;""

The above together with this; ""and always in contact with two of their contacts"", makes me think of another post from me in Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy februari.

Pls see my pic. with fewer steps below (N.b. L+R is Inductance and coil resistanse )

It seems to me that the electromagnets are to be connected gradually!

Hanon can you check translation?

Arne

[Netica]

Hi marathonman,

I have been thinking about something and wondering if you can help.

At the point that the brush makes contact with the G core windings, depending on the direction of the winding on the toroid the effect can be either N,N at the area of brush contact or S,S at the area of brush contact. I am wondering if it matters and if it should relate to the primaries where the primaries may be for example N,N.

[hanon1492]

HI MM,

Thanks for the reply. I was looking for the root source of the 14.8 lbs/kW. Where did you get that figure or how did you calculate/measure it?

References would help.

Thanks,

bi

The way to calculate it is with the equation: Power = Force • Velocity

Taking as velocity the movement of the magnetic lines back and forth cutting the induced coil wires. Yo can go into further detail in this old post link. I recalculated that value of 14.8 lb/KW and I think it is adjusted for an induced coil length of 2 inches and a frequency of 60 Hz. If you are good with english units please confirm if I did it well or not. Thanks

Ufo, Nice graph with the two signals generated in the commutator. I think we were talking about the same concept with two different explanations

Seead, I understand your concern about the translated "small line y" but in spanish is also a weird way to call it ("linea y"). It also crashed my mind to see such a poor explanation of such an important part just with that word, or just calling it "induced circuit". Maybe you can also translated as "row y" referencing to the patent drawing where the 7 induced as placed one after another. Anyway, not even a proper wy to call it. We can take help from the latest Buforn patents where he call it as "another electromagnet between both inducer electromagnets".

[Ufopolitics]

All the other points in between I am unsure and not about to attempt those calculations.

I see the same results looking at it another way using the flux to figure inductance. I mentioned this to you before. When you have half of the toroid mmf CW and the other half equal and CCW, resulting flux is zero and therefore the inductance of the coils on the toroid is zero. As the brush rotates around the toroid, the potential changes and mmf (Ampere-turns) are unlikely to be equal and opposite so there may be inductance in the coils and impedance causing unequal currents in primary N and primary S.

My take anyway,

bi

edit: Weird thought. What if you wound the left half of the toroid backwards from the right side half? Mutual inductance would add instead of subtract.

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Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Following the patent guidelines the commutator sweeps all contacts in ascending order (1 to 16). But as 9 is jumped with 8, 10 jumped with 7, 11 jumped with 6, 12 jumped with 5, 13 jumped with 4, 14 jumped with 3, 15 jumped with 2, and 16 jumped with 1, as the drawing shows ( Ufo, please see all rhese jumped in the drawing, not just the two jumped pairs you mentioned )then the resistance is sweep during half cycle
in this direction R1------> and the second half cycle in the way back <---------R2 to complete a whole turn of the brush. In half turn the brush(contact) is approaching the side tap of one set of electromagnets and later in the other direction it is approaching the side tap of the other set of electromagnets.

R1------------------------------------------------------------>
1___ 2____3____4____5____6____7____8
16__15 __14___13___12__11___10___9
<-------------------------------------------------------------R2

Hanon you can NOT show just one signal for both Primaries like You are doing above. Remember they are going at UNISON, which means within the same Space/Time.

Like below:

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Now that Signal is fine (Original)...not just a single one!!

Take a look again at Figuera Image below:

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[bistander]

14.8

yes for every kilowatt produced 14.8 lbs pressure is needed to produce it. why do you think generators bog down, because of extreme attraction forces, many, many lbs force. in the Figuera device it is opposite, repelling forces.

MM

HI MM,

Thanks for the reply. I was looking for the root source of the 14.8 lbs/kW. Where did you get that figure or how did you calculate/measure it?

References would help.

Thanks,

bi

[seaad]

-->MM and All
MM Thank you for your ansvers. You always seem to be so unshakable and confident in your answers.

Now a story;
"Two younger Scouts was to learn about to cook porridge and they asked their master/senior Scout how much of water and rolled oats they should take. The senior Scout didn't have a clue of how to cook porridge but as their master he must give a straight answer. - Take halv of each! he said quickly...."
Anybody who knows how to make porridge?

Comments:

But the patent says: ""always in contact with more than one contact, rotates a brush..."" I have seen that make before breake before and that is good itself but I'm still not completely convinced (my gut feeling). ALWAYS with more than...

""Small line Y is messed up wording for secondary."" Are our Spanish and English talking friends here happy with that? Line = row of something? Perpendicular?

MM you are talking about pressure, heavy pressure that can ""KILL YOU DEAD!""
But but many talks wery much of NN or SS here, "" meaning NORTH Y NORTH"". Isn't that the opposite? Tear apart. I've probably misunderstood that.

""Take patent and translate to native language for better understanding.""
If I were to do that with help from the Web, it would just become gibberish!

MM
Arne

[bistander]

Pressure

...

finally, Figuera chose smaller core because of the potential pressure between the primaries. if it was one large core the pressure between then is quite large as in 222 lbs pressure for 15 kilowatt. this my friend is a lot of pressure and has the potential to KILL YOU DEAD. so Figuera broke it down to be safer and easier to handle.

example; suppose i chose 8 core sets, take 222 divided by 8 = 27.75 lbs pressure between the primaries. this is way easier to secure then the 222 lbs pressure would be. each primary is accountable for half that pressure so 27.75 lbs divided by two is 13.875 lbs pressure for each primary.

it takes 14.8 lbs pressure for every kilowatt of power so everyone needs to be VERY CAREFUL when building this device.

Hi MM,

Please explain pressure. Pressure on what? What causes the pressure? What is the relationship of pressure to power (kW)?

Thanks,

bi

[seaad]

TWO of their contacts etc.

Some questions HELP please! :

Quote from patent 44267:
""and always in contact with two of their contacts.""

--> BRUSH singularis = one brush

--> ALWAYS w. TWO contacts, How? Always = constantly?
. . . Connected to what and that? Is it the jumper between connectors 2 -15 etc.?

--> it has been said, Some beginning of a hearsay, / fairy tail?



Quote from patent 44267:

Suppose that electromagnets are represented by rectangles N and S. Between their poles is located the induced circuit represented by the line y (small).

--> LINE ?? What?

--> SMALL ?? Small y coil(s) as in my first presented experiment from February? . . . . See my post above

And finally: Why so many sets of S,N,y? A must to get OU?

Arne

[hanon1492]

Following the patent guidelines the commutator sweeps all contacts in ascending order (1 to 16). But as 9 is jumped with 8, 10 jumped with 7, 11 jumped with 6, 12 jumped with 5, 13 jumped with 4, 14 jumped with 3, 15 jumped with 2, and 16 jumped with 1, as the drawing shows ( Ufo, please see all rhese jumped in the drawing, not just the two jumped pairs you mentioned )then the resistance is sweep during half cycle
in this direction R1------> and the second half cycle in the way back <---------R2 to complete a whole turn of the brush. In half turn the brush(contact) is approaching the side tap of one set of electromagnets and later in the other direction it is approaching the side tap of the other set of electromagnets.

R1------------------------------------------------------------>
1___ 2____3____4____5____6____7____8
16__15 __14___13___12__11___10___9
<-------------------------------------------------------------R2

All in the same direction "R":

R>->->->->->->R

[wantomake]

Part G

MM,
I have a 5.2 x 2.3 inch toroid from another project and was thinking to build Part G with it. Not sure the specs of it. Will get the square or round magnet wire, which is better? Not trying to slow this thread or be a pain. Will refer to previous post as needed.

Thanks for sharing,
wantomake

[Ufopolitics]

Just time to upload this image...


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Later


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

UFO Sorry I don't understand what you call "SIGNAL" among things here? English is not my native language pls explain in another way.

[seaad]

Simulation = bad

-->MM

""Seead, Your simulation are not good to see OU effects. You can not expect to get OU results using computer programs ""

And the sim. gave us a clear picture of that Inductances are better than Resistors for the G-part even if we did know that before somehow.

Thanks MM!