Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera

[hanon1492]

like poles facing each other. Although in the patent are named as "N" and "S" electromagnets there is no explicit reference to their real pole orientation.

All electric generators are based on the principle that magnetic lines must cut the wires of the induced circuit.

When the electromagnets are placed with like poles facing each other, electric induction is achieved because the magnetic lines, during their swinging back and forth derived from the 2 opposite magnetic fields (one increasing and other decresing...), cut the wires of the induced.

I have attached two different sketchs with possible configurations for this implementation. One is a simple configuration, while the second sketch has a closed magnetic circuit to keep the induced field inside.

Like poles facing each other

Like poles plus close magnetic circuit

Regards

[Duncan]

will O'wisp

[QUOTE=hanon1492;250193]Duncan,

Your device is very different to Figuera generator. You state that your device require high frequency to run, maybe KHz or MHz and also require to be tuned for series resonance. Figura used a motor to drive his commutator so he should have worked at 50 Hz or less. Also there is no reference to any capacitor to get into resonance.

I think Figuera based his generator on a way to get the wires cut by the lines of force in a motionless machine.[/QUOTE

Hi Hanon .. sorry been busy and missed your post ... Try to keep an open mind here but the frequency I comtemplate is the speed of switching across the commutator which in turn of course is related to rotor speed. It is also I suspect the 1/4 wave resonance that is critical.
all that aside whichever or whatever system you consider the nail is driven home by this simple truth .. the battery must be being rejuvinated by a hither to unknown method using far less energy than is being extracted .
there is only one condition I can think of that comes close to explaining that and of course its series resonance. I have seen it once or twice now and like everyone else am chasing it but find like everyone else its like chasing 'Will O'wisp' .. It doesn't conform to known maths and science , many have seen it with Davids battery system ... ah but to hold it in obeyance thats a very different thing. It is true I may be considering somthing a little differently but not that different .. The battery must remain charged ... ergo this is common to every system

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Hi Duncan and all

I have from time to time been looking at this thread and I have two things that I have thought about

1. I really think this works, reason, well he went to a lot of trouble at that time and showed it worked to many.

2. I think the switching was extreamly sharp, nsec, causing some very high voltages which may not be flyback but another fenomenen which can be created today using a diode with special junction.(DSRD)

This is just thinking allowed, but might explain why many inventions can't be repeated, I have always stated that is needed nsec pulses in many claimed OU devices, frequency may not be the problem, look up DSRD nano pulser circuits.

regards

Mike

[Duncan]

Hi Duncan and all

I have from time to time been looking at this thread and I have two things that I have thought about

1. I really think this works, reason, well he went to a lot of trouble at that time and showed it worked to many.

2. I think the switching was extreamly sharp, nsec, causing some very high voltages which may not be flyback but another fenomenen which can be created today using a diode with special junction.(DSRD)

This is just thinking allowed, but might explain why many inventions can't be repeated, I have always stated that is needed nsec pulses in many claimed OU devices, frequency may not be the problem, look up DSRD nano pulser circuits.

regards

Mike

I whole heartedly agree Michael and just to stretch the elastic a bit more with a broad outline of my suspicions for Hanon .. because its no longer a case of 'if' but rather 'how'
the logic goes sort of like this .. there is a resonant condition not mapped by Fourier, not explained in maths and as far as electrical science is concerned .. non existent. The linear wave is denied and more so the possibility of linear wave resonance yet here it is demonstrated with acoustics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvJAgrUBF4w

[hanon1492]

I whole heartedly agree Michael and just to stretch the elastic a bit more with a broad outline of my suspicions for Hanon .. because its no longer a case of 'if' but rather 'how'
the logic goes sort of like this

[hanon1492]

Poles orientation

The discussion about pole orientationIn the description:In the claims:

-Opposite poles facing each other

-Like poles facing each other

It is all about testing also this configuration. Just in case ...

Just to help.

[Duncan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRPjjgSX4Vs

[boguslaw]

I bet frequency is no issue. Figuera did that what he could with iron cores, surely higher frequencies are possible and also higher voltage. Each have their own difficulty.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

I bet frequency is no issue. Figuera did that what he could with iron cores, surely higher frequencies are possible and also higher voltage. Each have their own difficulty.

Not the frequency but the sharpness of the pulse. I think the QEG is also similar and in a lot of similar items. Using nsec changes in induction, very high voltages can be generated.

regards

Mike

[Duncan]

IMHO Much in common with the reactive lead acid battery rejuvenation I know you built and had success with boguslaw, but far better tuned, and that certainly wasn't resonant at 50 or 60 Hz is it ? but some overtone much higher up the scale.
That really is the problem isn't it? folks make something that works but don't fully comprehend the physics behind the reason why (and that certainly includes me) that then makes it impossible to engineer /duplicate/replicate. I have had the 3BGS running as many others describe a few times .. also the doughnut arrangement I wrote about as well as the series resonant battery rejuvenation you tried yourself
The engineering of exactly why.. that is what we all lack.
For instance what you saw happening with a heavily sulphated battery should be impossible. I suspect this and many other systems are a variation of that switching time .. view that change in voltage as a switch (like Mike does) and then view the switch in the arena of 'de-bouncing' a contact
except of course we wish to use the effect to reach extremely high frequencies not cancel it out.

http://www.eng.utah.edu/~cs5780/debouncing.pdf

So perhaps you could say the frequency you are measuring or watching on a scope has no relevance and you could well be right, however I believe the huge array of frequencies contained in the envelope that we see and assume is an 'instant' switch action is important. Still I guess all of us have formed our own picture of what might be happening here, Its what makes the subject of COP+1 such a thrill and frustration .

[marxist]

virtually created rotating magnetic field

At Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
hanon1492 and NoMoreSlave have discovered and disclosed how to to create a spinning magnetic field in a motionless device.
It is done with two sine signals, which are phase shifted by 90 degrees:

[Ben2503]

Tesla copied

At Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
hanon1492 and NoMoreSlave have discovered and disclosed how to to create a spinning magnetic field in a motionless device.
It is done with two sine signals, which are phase shifted by 90 degrees:

Hi Marxist.
This was invented by Tesla back in 1888 and used in most AC motors nowadays.
Take care.
Ben

[hanon1492]

Hi all,

The idea from NoMoreSlave has a lot of merit, and it must be studied in deep. I think it is the more fresh idea into the forum since a long time !!

He proposes that Sine + Cosine = Rotation (by NoMoreSlave)

Gif animation: Sine + Cosine Vector Sum = Rotating Vector

Other images:




Please comment this idea. Thanks!

The Figuera thread is more active into overunity dot com forum. Please go there to see more details.

[hanon1492]

"comprise a GENERATOR, a MOTOR and a sort of governor or regulator, and the whole apparatus is so simple that a child could work it" (link to the press clipping)


I think that maybe the working apparatus in 1902 was related with the moving coil patent ( Patent No. 30376 ). We have just focused into the motionless patent (No. 30378) but, maybe, the real working apparatus was the one based on the moving coil patent.

Patent 30376 in pdf: http://www.alpoma.com/figuera/figuera_30376.pdf

Drawing from 30376 patent

Maybe in 1902 the generator was based on the moving coil system, and, latter, in 1908, Figuera tried to improve it and, then, he moved the fields instead.



Please see this link and the demo video included inside: Motor + Generator website

In the next link there is a list with 50 different designs for a motor + modified generator: Link


It is just a thought. Maybe we have overlooked the real important Figuera patent. Comments please !

[Cornboy 555]

Hello Hannon, I do believe you are correct, the dynamics in rotating devises, are hard to replicate, in static form.

Also I think the pure iron core materials used back then, with little or no residual magnetism, and mechanical switching, also help complete the picture.

I will follow these things up, and report, when time allows.

Regards Cornboy.