Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera

[hanon1492]

Induction by "flux cutting" or by "flux linking"

Richard Feynman (Nobel prize winner) about the electromagnetic induction:Faraday-or-Maxwell by Meyl (read page 5 and next of the file)

[shylo]

Cutting and Linking

Are they not the same thing?
That is, just magnetic fields interacting with each other regardless of poles?
Just wondering.
artv

[hanon1492]

Also there are two different manifestation of Lenz Law:

1- Lenz Law derived from a flux linking two coils: It will create a opposing magnetic field (Binduced) against the change in the original magnetic field



2- Lenz Law derived from a flux cutting the moving wire: it will appear a dragging force (F_b) which oppose the movement.



A proof of this dragging force can be seen here in a coil perpendicular to the inducer field: Video

[Ruphus]

Maxwell talks a lot about the screw mechanism of the field, hence the rotE is for rotation as I understand it.

[Ufopolitics]

The way I see it...

Hello Guys,

Interesting posts and information!...Monsieur and you Hanon...are incredible restless and endless researchers !

I see Magnetism more from a Dynamic point of view, and could even say from an "Artistic Perspective"...rather than with rigid math formulas and straight vectors...Magnetic Fields flow, expand, propagate into our 3D Space in unlimited and endless directions...if we were to calculate each as rigid vectors...not even the Sum generated by complicated High Level Algebra...like Integers for adding non regular 3D Volumes, even considering Infinite Limits...will not suffice to satisfy their constant changes...influenced by so many external and internal factors within materials exposed to them...

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[IMG]The Induced Flow"

The Main Flow created would be what we call the Induced Field...I represented it by that flow of red curved lines with red arrows coming from the back end of coil and projecting towards magnet...this generates a type of a "polarity screen" depicted by red and blue transparent planes...and of course the South (Red) would be attracted by the magnet blue-North Face.

Looking at it in "another way"...We could say that the proximity of that magnet towards that coil... starts a series of alignments of all particles floating around the 3D Space of coil, where Coil becomes like a "Gate", a Door, between a "Space" , a Dimension we can not see...can not feel, or touch...This excitement of aligned particles set them in specific points of that space...and when magnet or magnetic field starts a movement...those aligned particles will start a "displacement" following the path that magnetic field would take...and of course...if the leading magnetic pole towards that coil and aligned particles would be a North...it is understood the closest particles generated by that flow would be of opposite nature...meaning South, in this case...so the Highest "concentration" of South Particles would "linger", float at the closest point-space of that North Magnetic Field.

"The Electric Field Flow"

The other Flow generated by the "Induced Field" that was, at same token, provoked by the movement of the magnet...would be the one that is generated around the Copper Conductor atomic structure...and it is like a Spinning, using as axis each wire section...I "painted them" as those circular, multiple, black arrowed arcs contouring the whole coil...but notice they follow same "winding path" as the Main Induced Flow... except they "stay" circling conductor surface.

The Electrical Flow

This Multiple Rotations, spinning around the copper electronic structure...will generate a main flow within the Coil conductor central section...say from Positive side to Negative end...which is our Energy flowing out of coil conductor...picture multiple screws...rotating around wire...and generating a forward flow, according to screw rotation.

Now, it would be understood...that if we close loop that coil (like that video you showed above, Hanon) then the electrical flow will keep strengthening for every additional movement of the exciter field...therefore, creating an increase of the Induced Field Potential...deriving in a much stronger opposed field...then drag is at maximum rate...just like when we load a Generator...the load is actually short circuiting those coils.

Finally...notice how in that video...when the coil is shorted...falls like in "slow motion"?...it does not matters that fields are perpendicular...still, there would be space interactions from both fields...and there would be drag.

On the experiment of an Aluminum or a Copper Tube...dropping a cylindrical magnet...and watch it fall in a complete slow motion...why?...drag, magnetic drag of all those Coil flows I pictured , described above... will also manifest on solid round paramagnetic materials (Aluminum) or Good Electrical Conducting materials like Copper...


This is the way I see and feel... all this magnetic phenomena , known as Induction, could possibly occur...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[hanon1492]

and also cut the induced wire during his swinging motion up and down.

As you can see in this scheme there is induction by 2 mechanisms:

1. Induction by Flux linking along the part of each coil transversed by the flux lines
2. Induction by Flux cutting the induced wire

We could have both types of induction into the same device.The key in this scheme is that the induction by flux cutting to be greater than the induction by flux linking. (the flux linking induction is under the Lenz Law effect and will produce an opposing induced magnetic field which will reduce the inducers strength)

The good part of this idea is that if the flux cutting induction by an N-N configuration will induce in the sense to reduce the inducers field (due to the Lenz effect), then the S-S configuration will do it in the sense to increase it because the flux lines in each case have opposite direction (from inside-out or from outside-in).



Any comments?

[MonsieurM]

Are you referring to the following Schematic




I would refer you to a previous post :

on Lockheed Martin Anti-gravity Boyd Bushman Apollo 15 Hammer-Feather Drop - YouTube

the rock experiment was hinting at the same configuration N - N / S - S

you also have to consider he may have alternated N - N then S- S , N- N etc....

my 2 cents

[shylo]

Magnets in motion

Hi Hanon, I don't see it , how there can be 2 types of induction.?
Two magnets opposing each other ,but being forced together, and putting a coil in there.
Unless you could time , or induce when the sides of the coil are being induced.
A coil is round , one side see's the flux-lines first, so it gets induced (atoms spin in 1 direction). The other side start to follow that spin , but since the magnetic pole is in motion, and starts to leave the 1st side and induce the 2nd side , the first side now creates an opposite flow?
The north will cause a south, which in turn will cause a north,....so on and so on......
artv

[hanon1492]

TRANSLATION OF KEY PARTS OF BUFORN PATENT No. 57955 (1914) (text extracted from pages 12,13 and 14) (link)

By using a magnetic field, consisting of two series of electromagnets N and S, a resistor and a circumference of contacts isolated from each other .....
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Note that only the contacts located in the Northern semicircle are in communication with half of the end sides of each resistor, and the contacts in the Southern semicircunference are not in communication with the resistor, but respectively with the contacts in the semicircle communicated with half of the end sides of each resistor, and inasmuch as the current moves on the the magnetic field and returns from it by the input and output sides of the resistor, and as this field is composed of two series of electromagnets N and S , therefore, and as result of the operation of the device when the electromagnets N are full of current, the electromagnets S are empty, and as the current flowing through them is reducing or increasing in intensity according it passes by more or less turns of the resistor, and therefore, in continuous variation; since we have done a continuous and organized variation we have achieved a constant change in the current which crosses the magnetic field formed by the electromagnets N and S and whose current, after completing their task in the difrerent electromagnets, returns to the source where it was taken.
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We have already achieved to produce the continuous and organized change of the intensity of the current which crosses the magnetic field.
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The way to collect this current is so easy that it almost seems excused to explain it, because we will just have to interposed between each pair of electromagnets N and S, which we call inducers, another electromagnet, which we call induced, properly placed so that either both opposite sides of its core will be into hollows in the corresponding inducers and in contact with their respective cores, or either, being close the induced and inducer and in contact by their poles, but in no case it has to be any communication between the induced wire and the inducer wire.
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Another advantage is that around the core of the induced electromagnets we can put another small size induced electromagnet with equal or greater core length than the large induced one. In these second group of induced an electric current will be produced , as in the first group of induced, and this produced current will be sufficient for the consumption in the continuous excitation of the machine, being completely free all the other current produced by the first induced electromagnets in order to use it in all purposes you want.



Why does he call it "Northern semicircle

[shylo]

Poles

I haven't seen that patent ,but will look it up.
I've found in many testes , the north pole of the magnet always reacts with more abruptness, when being influenced by an artificial magnetic field, created by electron flow (batteries, current flow).
I'm currently at a stand still ,because I have the two fields fighting.
My switch isn't fast enough, and my pulse isn't strong enough, or my coil isn't big enough, timing or frequency whichever ,that's the answer.
artv

[Ufopolitics]

The Way I see it...

TRANSLATION OF KEY PARTS OF BUFORN PATENT No. 57955 (1914) (text extracted from pages 12,13 and 14) (link)

By using a magnetic field, consisting of two series of electromagnets N and S, a resistor and a circumference of contacts isolated from each other .....
...
Note that only the contacts located in the Northern semicircle are in communication with half of the end sides of each resistor, and the contacts in the Southern semicircunference are not in communication with the resistor, but respectively with the contacts in the semicircle communicated with half of the end sides of each resistor, and inasmuch as the current moves on the the magnetic field and returns from it by the input and output sides of the resistor, and as this field is composed of two series of electromagnets N and S , therefore, and as result of the operation of the device when the electromagnets N are full of current, the electromagnets S are empty, and as the current flowing through them is reducing or increasing in intensity according it passes by more or less turns of the resistor, and therefore, in continuous variation; since we have done a continuous and organized variation we have achieved a constant change in the current which crosses the magnetic field formed by the electromagnets N and S and whose current, after completing their task in the difrerent electromagnets, returns to the source where it was taken.
...
We have already achieved to produce the continuous and organized change of the intensity of the current which crosses the magnetic field.
....
The way to collect this current is so easy that it almost seems excused to explain it, because we will just have to interposed between each pair of electromagnets N and S, which we call inducers, another electromagnet, which we call induced, properly placed so that either both opposite sides of its core will be into hollows in the corresponding inducers and in contact with their respective cores, or either, being close the induced and inducer and in contact by their poles, but in no case it has to be any communication between the induced wire and the inducer wire.
....
Another advantage is that around the core of the induced electromagnets we can put another small size induced electromagnet with equal or greater core length than the large induced one. In these second group of induced an electric current will be produced , as in the first group of induced, and this produced current will be sufficient for the consumption in the continuous excitation of the machine, being completely free all the other current produced by the first induced electromagnets in order to use it in all purposes you want.



Why does he call it "Northern semicircle

Hello Hanon,


The way I understand it...

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Can You guys picture all this in 3D?

I will try to make a 3D Model, whenever time allows me to ...

Regards


Ufopolitics

[hanon1492]

[Ufopolitics]

Hello Hanon

Hi Ufo, it is always a pleasure to have your help!!!

I guess what you are proposing but I can not see the advantage of this new arrangement. Is there any change in the interconnection between the resistors and the electromagnets?

Hello Hanon, thanks

Hanon, I am not proposing anything new related to the way the circuit is attached, same exact thing...
Therefore, the Electromagnets are connected the same way as Diagram to the resistors.

I am sorry if my posts above have created any more confusion on this Thread!...It is just the way I picture this...as it is the first time I give my opinion on this Buforn Patent (I did it before on the Figuera's Dynamic Generator) So I am not familar if anyone has made a Geometrical Projection-set up of this before on the Thread.

Related to the Physical arrangement of the Electromagnets and the Induced Coils ...look at it the simple way...He places on each column a North and a South Electromagnet, and "sandwiched" in between, are the Induced Coils, so, here I am sure, the way he meant it (because of the missing clarity to show both poles for each electromagnet), I deduct He is only showing Interacting Poles, just like we all do also in Motors and Generators Conventions...So Induced Coil is in between a North and a South Field.

If You notice He uses a small "Bar like" rectangle that travels from all three elements (N Exciter, S Exciter and Induced Coil) in each column...In my opinion that bar denotes a "mechanical attachment"...something like a "Bracket" to support all three elements as a structure. But again...we are "guessing" here, since there is no reference to those little bars.

Related to the way exciter electromagnets are Electrically connected between them...is not shown, just have the connection to resistors...as the connections to the rotary contactor switch or "Delga" in Spanish or Commutator switch. We then "deduct" they are connected in series, and the small box on right lower means contacts are open as in a "register electrical box"

Therefore, in each column, this two coils (exciters) are set in a way to "Induce" each center coil(induced), except, there is no movement nor change in the fields setting them just like that alignment...So, they use the resistors attached to the exciting fields to create in a "Dual Way" a Synchronization of effects

1- A change in Current passing Both exciter coils (N-S) when rotary contacts touch different stages.

2- A Change in the Exciters Magnetic Fields strength consequence or dependent of 1

I have read many times that patent and in the text it is very well explained the operation of the conmutator and the changes in the current. The only things that are not so well explained is the poles orientation (as I posted the last days) ("Let us suppose two series of electromagnets represented by the rectangles N and S and an induced circuit represented by the line 'y'" (small) "), the orientation of the induced coil ("a induced circuit properly placed") and the electrmagnets shapes ("because nothing moves the electromagnets do not need to be round"). IMHO I think that in those sentences is hidden the key of the patent. I can not guess why Figuera explained so well some concepts and then he left these sentences so undefined...

Regards

PS Ufo, in yor sketch the circle in the left upper part I think that it should have the same color matching as the big commutator because both are in the same orientation.

Speaking of this Patents, my friend, and being familiar with all the Patent Graphic Design Requirements in US and now International codes...and I tell you, honestly, this patents (both, Figuera and Buforn) are extremely generally written as very poorly drawn, as no details, no numbered parts, not a fair and detailed description of the preferred embodiments...no perspective or isometric views,etc,etc

Just look at a Tesla Patent big difference...He mentions and number even the attaching bolts and nuts...following the International Patent Rules...

This facts brings us to make a lot of "assumptions"...and different interpretations as anyone could look at it in a different "fashion"...making it harder to come up to a common meeting and conclusions.

And You know I can handle both languages (Spanish and English)...so language is not the issue here, nor translations either...your job has been excellent!.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[artoj]

Maybe simpler?

Hi Hanon and UFO

I think Figuera made it vague enough so you could not copy his work and broad enough to cover a few configurations, this is the writing/drawing of someone keen on protecting his work. UFO is right in looking at it with his expertise, just as 100 others have made different versions, I can only add to another version myself. The Figuera will be Figured and a Figure will be Finalized, LOL, Regards Arto.

[Ufopolitics]

Hello Artoj!

Hi Hanon and UFO

I think Figuera made it vague enough so you could not copy his work and broad enough to cover a few configurations, this is the writing/drawing of someone keen on protecting his work. UFO is right in looking at it with his expertise, just as 100 others have made different versions, I can only add to another version myself. The Figuera will be Figured and a Figure will be Finalized, LOL, Regards Arto.

...and the contacts in the Southern semicircunference are not in communication with the resistor, but respectively with the contacts in the semicircle communicated with half of the end sides of each resistor

So, like I wrote before...He then shows an isolated Diagram on top Left (that to me looks like a spider with legs touching like in a Ballet position...or the Nazca Paintings "The Spider"...just kidding...)...Resuming, I believe this is what he is referring to, in reference as connection of the Southern Semi-Circle with the Northern one...

2-Your Positive (+) and Negative (-) as Input/Feed for Brush and Exciter Coils...Buforn only draws a small box...not even open wires like He does with Load wires out...

And last...Why would they take their time to draw resistors within a Box, following almost same pattern (as spaced apart between them and depth or length) and same number in columns (8) as electromagnets/Inducted Coils Columns alignment...?

Below is my corrected Diagram as Hanon pointed out previously on my error on that Spider on left upper (Yes, completely right Hanon )

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And below is the Spider connections from Southern Semicircle with Northern one in just one Diagram.:

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I believe we are getting "warmer" (closer) every time more on this Generator Riddle...

Good work !


Regards


Ufopolitics