Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera

[wonju]

Wirewound Resistors

Hi Wonju

Do not worry, i go on the Figuera experiment.

My last video came from the fact that when i tried primaries with less Ohmage than the Micro Wave fan motor coil which has about 200 ohm DC resistance, i got no more the nice climbing and descending steps on the voltage trace, but i got a almost flat trace which ends with a sharp square with flyback spike. Almost as per a standard square wave .
Than i simply suppressed all the resistors and tried with the arduino (with your code ), and i got a kind of square wave , but centered on the middle of the cycle.And i got some interesting results. But i was very limited by the voltage of the Arduino , and when i tried to apply an amplifier with a transistor, i get a sharp square with strong Flyback spike. Seems not so good.

Today i wound the second C core (1000 turns of 0.3 mm with 14.5 Ohm DC resistance) so i have the real Figuera setup, with gap between the "y" and the 2 C core.

But with the Arduino and transistors ,i am not able to reach the nice trace, as per the Rotating commutator.

OK will go on with my rotating commutator to get the feeling. I will wait to Conrad or Keyo for electronic commutation.

Good luck at all

Laurent

[john_g]

Non Inductive Coils

Wonja

According to my 1912 electrical book, wire resistances should consist of a pair of wires joined at one end, wrapped over a former, which will cancel any inductive effect. Also known as a non-inductive coils, as this winding method will cancel each others magnetic field. That I suspect is why the patent shows the pairs of wires joined at one end.

[wonju]

Good point Jonh_g, Thanks for your help.

Let's wait for the results from Woopy. If the pure resistor element does not work, we may have to replicate the resistors as shown in the patent. Perhaps they should be small inductors.

Wonju

[hanon1492]

Author of the web report

Hi everyone,

Yesterday I talked to the author of the original report about Clemente Figuera. The original report is located in: El enigma de Clemente Figuera y la máquina de la energía infinita - Tecnología Obsoleta and dated the 10th of january of 2011 after been published in an spanish magazine . The rest of links are literal copies of his investigation report, even the english traslation ( A Letter From Nicola Tesla – Orbo.es

[woopy]

Hi Hanon
thank's for your info

Hi Wonju

just an idea to test, using incandescent light bulb as resistors.
A 100 watt 220 volt light bulb is about 40 Ohm resistive.

just to think

good luck at all

Laurent

[wonju]

Hanon,
Thank you very much for the info!

Woopy,

It does not seem to be a good idea.

I see the need for more clarifications.

1) The reactance or inductance of the primary coils should not be estimated by the known formula X=2*pi*f*L. This formula applies to a sine tone signal, that is, having one frequency component only.

2) How to estimate the resistors?
I recommend the following practical approach; apply the full rectified voltage directly to one primary coil only and measure the current Ip flowing in the circuit. The minimum value of the net resistor Rn should allow a current equal to Ip/10. Then, the value of each resistor Ri forming Rn should be about Rn/6. This approach guarantees that the minimum primary current is equal to or smaller than the maximum current Ip by a factor of 10. Based on the values of Ip, you should be able to estimate the minimum wattage of the resistors.

3) I noticed that you are using a secondary wire of small gauge. I recommend using secondary wires no smaller than #20AWG. The size of the primary wires might be thinner. This is possible because the currents for this transformer do not comply with the coils turn ratio. If you use a heavier wire gauge for the secondary, you should be able to extract more power.

4) Please, note that the formula for the primary and secondary voltages and the turn ratio should still be valid!

Wonju

[wonju]

I wanted to show you my version of Figuera's apparatus. It is still a work in progress.

Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

[kEhYo77]

Mine is already working too, I'll post a video soon.

[wonju]

Once the secondary 'Vsy' voltage is induced, the main limiting factor for the power output should be the size of the secondary wire. That is why I am using a #14AWG wire.

I am forecasting that the model of this transformer differs from the standard ones in that the primary parameters such as resistance and reactance do not affect the output power.

Wonju

[hanon1492]

[conradelektro]

I noticed this strange current profile in the Fiquera "commutator + 7 resistors" and therefore I haver selected the DRV8834 stepper motor driver IC for my replication because it allows to implement even this "strange current profile". But I tend to assume (just a wild guess) that Fiquera did not have a "chopped full transistor bridge" and therefore was stuck with the "commutator + 7 resistors".

It is also important to notice that the resistors consume quite a lot of power. The DRV8834 is more efficient when creating a current profile.

I also have no idea whether the coils depicted in the Fiquera drawing have a core? In fact, the many coils depicted point to core-less coils, because when using a core, this arrangement makes no sense. But without a core many smaller individual coils will have a better magnetic interaction than one big coil.

Greetings, Conrad

P.S.: I am still waiting for ordered components and at the moment I do not have much time for experiments.

[hanon1492]

I also have no idea whether the coils depicted in the Fiquera drawing have a core? In fact, the many coils depicted point to core-less coils, .

According to the original patent, the inductor coils have sweet iron core.

But there is no mention to any core in the induced coil.

[wonju]

I do not understand your point. This can cause distraction and it can also lead to delays for replicating the generator. Can you provide the advantages of your recommendations based on an analysis similar to the paper posted in this thread?

de hierro dulce que ejercen inducción en el circuito inducido, también fijo e inmóvil, compuesto de varios carretes o espiras, convenientemente colocadas. Como ninguno de los dos circuitos han de girar, no hay necesidad de hacerlos redondos, ni de dejar espacio alguno entre uno y otro."

One thing is for sure, a magnetic core type of material is required for the induced coil core!

The non-reversing of the primary currents and the need for make-before-break switch type is also supported in the paper posted in this thread.

Are you trying to say that transistors cannot replicate the mechanical switching?

Why don't you show your version of the circuit? It is irresponsible to make bold statements without providing supports for it!

I am perfectly ok with constructed criticisms and comments. What I cannot stand are comments implying that whatever we are doing here might be wrong but there are no directions for making it better. THIS IS JUST CREATING CONFUSION AND IT IS NOT FAIR FOR THE PEOPLE OF THIS FORUM WHO ARE WORKING HARD TO REPLICATE THIS WONDERFUL APPARATUS!

[kEhYo77]

OK, so to better understand what we are dealing with here I have drawn a quick graph.



Now which one is the best?

[wonju]

OK, so to better understand what we are dealing with here I have drawn a quick graph.



Now which one is the best?

The original waveform shown in the first graph is about right when you have a pure resistive load. The inductance of the primary coils should distort the shape a bit.

I have no comments for the second graph.

The third graph is not correct. You are showing two sinusoidal voltages in 90 degrees out of phase. If you applied these two signals to full wave rectifier, then, you get the correct voltage that should be applied to the primary coils. The voltage applied to the primary coils should be half-cycle sine waves. Refer to figure 21 of the document.

Wonju.