Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera

[wonju]

Wonju

I saw there is (a bit damaged) available text of Figuera patent. Am I correct ? Translation to english may help in understanding details.

Boguslaw,

Actually, there is a great deal of information on this device from the documents found in the links that you provided in another thread. The following paragraph was taken from

[boguslaw]

Wonju

I only noted that I don't understand spanish , maybe others also, so translation to english would be a highly appreciated gift for us if you know somebody who can do it or at least check if A Letter From Nicola Tesla – Orbo.es is the full translation of article (it was mentioned it's somehow cut)

[kEhYo77]

I couldn't help myself... I will be testing this configuration

[hanon1492]

Wonju

I saw there is (a bit damaged) available text of Figuera patent. Am I correct ? Translation to english may help in understanding details.

Hi all,
I am spanish and I have already contacted with the Spanish Patent Office Historical Archive to get a new copy of the 5 patents in case it could help. We will see...

In the original web report about Clemente Figuera in spanish it is said that the patents are damaged because of an old flooding in the archive

I hope to be able to help you as soon as possible

Regards

[woopy]

Hi all,
I am spanish and I have already contacted with the Spanish Patent Office Historical Archive to get a new copy of the 5 patents in case it could help. We will see...

In the original web report about Clemente Figuera in spanish it is said that the patents are damaged because of an old flooding in the archive

I hope to be able to help you as soon as possible

Regards

Hi Hanon
Thank's very much
All info will be very much welcome

Hi Wonju
thank's fo your info, will digest , need some time .

Here some of my last meditations on the subject

generador Figuera approach 2 - YouTube

good luck at all

laurent

[wonju]

Wonju

I only noted that I don't understand spanish , maybe others also, so translation to english would be a highly appreciated gift for us if you know somebody who can do it or at least check if is the full translation of article (it was mentioned it's somehow cut)

There is a person revising the Englsh version to better match the original document. I expect to have it within two weeks.

Wonju

[wonju]

I couldn't help myself... I will be testing this configuration

Kehyo,

I see that you are making progress. When you do the test, it is important to keep the air gaps between the iron cores. THE IRON CORES MUST NOT BE IN DIRECT CONTACT! I would recommend the following procedure:

1) Verify with the scope that you have the correct primary voltage waveforms.

2) Start with a maximum separation distance for the air gaps, let's say 10mm. Mesure the primary current a no load (secondary circuit open.)

3) Connect a load to the secondary that draws a significant current, let's say 0.5A or higher. Record the primary and secondary currents and voltages.

4) Repeat the steps 2 & 3 above for smaller air gaps 8, 6, 4, 2, down to 1mm. You can use plastic spacers.

5) Create a table and graph their values. Plot the Ip=f(Is), Vp=f(Vs), Pp=f(Ps), Is=f(air gap), etc. You can use Microsoft Excel for these calculations.

The above data should provide an important insight about the model of the Figuera's generator. This table can help you to design larger units.

It will also provide information on how the air gaps affect the performance of the device. I cannot wait to see it.

Thanks,
Wonju

[wonju]

I just finished reading the Spanish document found in this link:



The description of the two patents found in this link does give good deal of information for constructing and operating the generator, but it also requires a little bit of guess work. I am under the impression that the patents are incomplete because it does not give information on the relevant aspects of the invention. For example, the document does not give any reasons for the generation of the extra energy and there are no references to the effects of the Lenz's law. In addition, the requirement of the exciting primary voltages is just to be changing voltages. I think Mr. Figuera knew better and was smart enough to figure the science behind his invention.

Make no mistake; his invention consists in applying quadratic voltages to electromagnets configured as shown in the patent sketch. It should not matter how the quadratic voltages are generated.

Wonju

[wonju]

Stepper Motor Driver Concerns

I have the following concerns with the stepper motor drivers;

the voltage rating of the coils could be more than 20V. Therefore, the voltage rating of the driver should be no less than 30V. With such a low excitation voltage, the primary coils cannot be connected in series.

In addition, I am not sure if the output voltage and current of the stepper motor drives is sinusoidal AC voltage. If the driver voltage is a sinusoidal DC voltage (DC offset), then we have a problem.

Can someone help with this issue?

Thank you,
Wonju

[wonju]

Hi Hanon
Thank's very much
All info will be very much welcome

Hi Wonju
thank's fo your info, will digest , need some time .

Here some of my last meditations on the subject

generador Figuera approach 2 - YouTube

good luck at all

laurent

Woopy,

I was not able to understand the experiment. Neither I was able to understand the objective of the experiment.

The configuration of the coils shown in the video was basically of a standard transformer.

How many turns do each coil have? It seems that it may need more turns.

Why did not you try the Figuera's configuration?

Wonju

[conradelektro]

I have the following concerns with the stepper motor drivers;

the voltage rating of the coils could be more than 20V. Therefore, the voltage rating of the driver should be no less than 30V. With such a low excitation voltage, the primary coils cannot be connected in series.

In addition, I am not sure if the output voltage and current of the stepper motor drives is sinusoidal AC voltage. If the driver voltage is a sinusoidal DC voltage (DC offset), then we have a problem.

Can someone help with this issue?

Thank you,
Wonju

[woopy]

Hi Wonju

Do not worry, i go on the Figuera experiment.

My last video came from the fact that when i tried primaries with less Ohmage than the Micro Wave fan motor coil which has about 200 ohm DC resistance, i got no more the nice climbing and descending steps on the voltage trace, but i got a almost flat trace which ends with a sharp square with flyback spike. Almost as per a standard square wave .
Than i simply suppressed all the resistors and tried with the arduino (with your code ), and i got a kind of square wave , but centered on the middle of the cycle.And i got some interesting results. But i was very limited by the voltage of the Arduino , and when i tried to apply an amplifier with a transistor, i get a sharp square with strong Flyback spike. Seems not so good.

Today i wound the second C core (1000 turns of 0.3 mm with 14.5 Ohm DC resistance) so i have the real Figuera setup, with gap between the "y" and the 2 C core.

But with the Arduino and transistors ,i am not able to reach the nice trace, as per the Rotating commutator.

OK will go on with my rotating commutator to get the feeling. I will wait to Conrad or Keyo for electronic commutation.

Good luck at all

Laurent

[conradelektro]

Circuit and first test transformer

See the attached schematics for the test system I will build.

For an initial test I will wind all tree coils (primary 0 - secondary - primary 1) on a Ferrite rod next to each other (the secondary will be sandwiched between the two primaries).

Greetings, Conrad


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[StweenyA]

Won't work.

Hi, I have seen the video, but there is something wrong.

You have a reading on the amp meter, and that reading doesn't change when you put the LED's on.

However, that doesn't mean this is free energy, all it means is that the amp meter is probably reading more than the LED current. The current doesn't drop because of the inductance, so it is kept stable.

Of course I could be wrong... (I wish)

[wonju]

@stweenyA,
You are right about that. But, if you watch Woopy's first video you will see when the secondary is shorted out and the primary current does not increase. That is something encouraging.

@All,
I wanted to stress the importance of maintaining the air gaps between the primary and secondary coils. If you refer to the figure 13 of the published document, you will understand the need to have a high reluctance medium between the primary magnetic field (Bp) and the routing of the diverted magnetic field (Bs2). Without it the primary magnetic field will cross the secondary coil completely inducing two voltages of equal magnitude and different polarities cancelling the net induced voltage (Vs).

There must be an optimum air gap distance for the Figuera's apparatus. If air gap is too small, the primary magnetic field may move across the secondary coil completely cancelling any induced voltage. On the contrary, if the air gap is too big, the primary magnetic field reaching the secondary will be weak affecting the performance of the device.

Wonju