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[Turion]

This won't get "lost" Duncan. Not by a long shot. That I can promise. Anything happens to Matt or I and the flood gates open. We have some work to do on this and then I imagine a whole lot of folks will get to see it. If it won't do useful work and/or we can't loop the system, all we have is an expensive pile of moving parts. We'll know in a week or so. I've got wire on order to wind the rest of the coils and am looking at a coil winder to do a more professional job. But those things cost money so it's time to hit the casino again.

Dave

[Duncan]

Yes I second UFO there and wish you both well , I just hope it manages to escape into the wider world and doesn't end up buried like endless other technologies we have seen floating by. Time will tell I guess.

[Ufopolitics]

I am glad Dave,


Hey Dave,

Sincerely, I am VERY GLAD that you guys are having GREAT SUCCESS in your Testing!

You deserve this and more, you guys are full time on this project, putting so much time, effort and money...and finally it Must Pay back one day, glad it is happening NOW.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Turion]

[dR-Green]

Apparently, certain threads and their promise of "free energy" = the swag bag.

Music and Life - Alan Watts - YouTube

[shylo]

drawings

Hi Matt, If I had time I'd look those up, a direct link would be nice.
I spent the entire day trying to build a com. . Had several ideas fail.
It has to be an almost instantaneous burst of supply ,with disconnect and reconnect of opposite polarity.
I'm trying to build mine mechanical, with the rotation .
Is there a way to do it with a spinning wheel? That is use the flywheel from a lawnmower ,which has a magnet in it and use this to fire a reed switch every rotation.?
You could then add as many reed switches ,that permit, to get your firing order down?
Questions and answers...that's all it should be.
artv

[Matthew Jones]

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Can this field that is fighting us be used to aid us?
Thanks for everybodys' time.
artv

Yep but in motor its dictated by timing and placement of components. A Bedini monopole is a lenz free motor. So is Peter Lindamens Rotory attraction Motor. Both for different reasons.

Matt

[shylo]

Lenz free

I would like to see this design as well,
What do they call the stages the battery goes through?
During runs ,the battery goes through discharge stages, and idle stages, and with the right switch...charge stages.(3BGS).
Collapsing magnetic fields in transformers , rotating charge battery,..
If the field that's dying creates an opposite field, ...at the same time it's dying have a field starting at the same time that is the same polarity as the one that is being created....
When testing fields in my stator ,since I have two separate windings , the magnet springs forward when power is supplied, (which pulls the magnet to the right)..kill the power and the magnet snaps back to where it started to the left.
It goes back to where it started ,with power off, because of this opposite field being created??????
Can this field that is fighting us be used to aid us?
Thanks for everybodys' time.
artv

[Turion]

Replication

I have replicated Matt's Lenz Free design. It works. Period. Believe it or don't. It's your loss. You can lead a cow to water, etc., etc.

A major corporation under an NDA is looking at our test results. They wouldn't be spending their time if they didn't see something to this. They are providing materials and resources for continued prototype development. (One is already done, but we are testing different coils---lengths of wires, number of strands, gauge of wire---to determine what is most effective and efficient for specific applications. ) And Matt, who is ALWAYS pushing the boundaries, has come up with a whole new and different configuration he believes will be even MORE effective (His breadboard model is anyway) so I am in the process of replicating THAT also.

This stuff is NOT for the faint of heart or light of wallet. One coil costs around $70 to wind, and their are 12 of them on the current prototype. And when you are trying different gauges, different numbers of strands, etc, you're GOING to be spending some serious money.

BUT when you have it on the bench in front of you and can put scopes and meters on it and can SEE what it is doing, it is pretty hard to deny. Until you do THAT, it's all just talk.

Dave

[Matthew Jones]

Shylo

All you have to do is look, for yourself. Don't be discouraged to look because someone says it didn't work for them.
That is why I feel it important to confront people who obviously talk from little experience. They state these things as fact and daily I watch things work that are otherwise are discouraged by them. Conventional engineering is a farse, a lie to an extent and anybody who thinks they are going to find answers in that realm are fooling themselves.
It is important to me to watch you learn, on your own path. Not confined by a box of someone else's perceived understandings.

Once you find it you keep working to exploit further and further, then you get things that are good. You'll see.

Matt

[shylo]

Charlie Browns teacher

Seriously , I would really like to see the set-up where a transformer under load consumes less power.
I'd like to put it into conjunction with the 3BGS, along with the charge ,drain set-up.
When you guys argue it reminds me of Charlie Browns teacher,...blah blah..
Such intelligence being wasted ,I wish I knew half of what you folks know.
I try to get what I can from all postes, and I appreciate the time it takes to put forth info.
I believe it is going to take a combination of several ideas to make this work, every idea will have a part.
I'll look at as much as I can ,but that doesn't mean I'll believe it.
But hearing arguments as to why it will or will not work,...well that's priceless.
Matt and Farmhand , I respect both of you, both of you can teach so much,
there's no reason to argue , disagree that's fine ,just a simple explanation as to why.
artv

[Matthew Jones]

Well can't say that wasn't expected.

I don't have lay out case or a working model for you. That is happening elsewhere and we'll get paid for it.

But my point is made. You haven't the experience to be taken seriously. And look at you I give you a scenario for one of these accelerating generators, with simple numbers, and you won't even take crack at the answer.
You called it theory and you pointed that I for got "Driven with A rotor". Thats what I call it anyway when you spin a rotor with some magnets in it, in front of coil.

But its not theory, its simple little math problem, well thats if you had ever messed with one and tried to make it work.

And granted their may be people who agree with you, but they are in the same boat. They built a little something, looked at it, watched it run then went looking for answers in text, probably conventional text and conventional text told them something that was only true on a very limited scope, then they apply those thoughts to everything around the subject. They got it all figured out. After that there was no need to look any further. Just state it was useless.

But thats whats wrong with the picture, thats not the answer.

So what the coil put out 100 volt at 10 milliamp fully loaded and accelerates, Add more coils until you equal or gain on the input. Lots more if you can afford the copper. LOL Why then does that not work?

Oh ya what are you going to drive it with, 10 amp bench grinder? Really and expect to get an easy gain. Come on really? With all the other stuff availible.

And what about the other methods outside of the High Impedance realm that create acceleration in a generator. They have no validity? Do you even know what they are?

I'm sure you'll make more excuses, and that OK. I just hope you really don't influence anybody into thinking like you do. Thats just closed and depressing thought.

It must be hard on you to know you can't succeed because fail before you even try.

Matt

[Farmhand]

FarmHand

Thayne Heins is not the only effect on the Market. In fact there are 3 situation and any number combinations of the 3 that force a generator to accelerate while creating power.

And although the effect is named "Delayed Lenz" who says thats whats happening? Maybe its Accelerated Lenz and everything happening faster.

So I know most don't think it has any value and most will never find what is dead in their face evidence of truly working. But then most people just don't try either, they just come to conclusions on very narrow subjects. They box themselves in.

So here's a question. You have a Multi strand coil wound on iron. The coil is any number of turn and any gauge of wire that has impedance of 5 ohms. Your driving this coil at 2000 rpm in an alternating fashion open, and when loaded the driver speeds up to 2200 rpms. Your open voltage on the coil is 100 volt rms and your closed current is 1 amp.

How much power can you use on that coil to maintain 48 volt at load?

Try to answer even if your not privey to my games. Answer in public or not, its no matter. But mind yourself if you can't answer it that means you haven't had the experience with a coil that accelerates. If you had the answer would be easy. The configuration of it would be obvious.

Then you gotta ask yourself, am I really in the position to write a critique on the what another person shows for work? If you can't answer that simple puzzle.

The reason I point this out is not to belittle but to help you understand that because you think you have it figured out based on a few tests and some text you really have just put yourself in a box and thinking outside of it is no longer possible. And this is the problem with people like yourself who look and don't succeed.

Matt

I'm not here to answer your questions for you Matt. And with all due respect.

Do not try to qualify or quantify or categorize my thinking.

It is not me who is in the box.

I have succeeded, maybe not by your definition, but by mine I have. You saying I haven't does not make it reality.
Success in your book might mean achieving energy from nowhere. I have not done that.

I never said I have it all worked out, I put forward my opinion based on logic
and experimental observations as well as study.

Ok so you think you have it worked out and I am wrong. You won't show any
OU or useful acceleration under load because you will try to make out I want
you to show me for nothing and use that for an excuse, people not
necessarily you, say things like, Oh so you want everything given to you on a
silver plate. I don't want tricks and ruses on any plates or any blueprints to
devices that don't do what they are declared to be able to do even though
no one has ever shown it. So don't show it. I don't care.

A coil cannot be driven a 2000 rpm unless it's on a rotor.

Your question does not even make sense.

You keep your reality and allow me to have my say. There is no need for you
to respond directly to me. I'm not your lackey, I don't do what you say, I
don't work for you or anybody.

How about I give you a bunch of non sensical questions to answer ?

I'll tell you right now I am not going to even consider answering your questions.

How about for the benefit of the others you answer it ? Learn me Matt. Show me the figures.

It sounds like theory and theories usually have factors involved that evade consideration at first.

As far as I am concerned there is no need for me to respond to you any further unless you directly or indirectly insult me or such thing.

Why not have your say put forward your case and let people decide for themselves.

Heck people can even do their own experiments, which they do and many either agree with me or give similar explanations.

I don't do PM's much I prefer to keep things out in the open.

Cheers

[Matthew Jones]

FarmHand

Thayne Heins is not the only effect on the Market. In fact there are 3 situation and any number combinations of the 3 that force a generator to accelerate while creating power.

And although the effect is named "Delayed Lenz" who says thats whats happening? Maybe its Accelerated Lenz and everything happening faster.

So I know most don't think it has any value and most will never find what is dead in their face evidence of truly working. But then most people just don't try either, they just come to conclusions on very narrow subjects. They box themselves in.

So here's a question. You have a Multi strand coil wound on iron. The coil is any number of turn and any gauge of wire that has impedance of 5 ohms. Your driving this coil at 2000 rpm in an alternating fashion open, and when loaded the driver speeds up to 2200 rpms. Your open voltage on the coil is 100 volt rms and your closed current is 1 amp.

How much power can you use on that coil to maintain 48 volt at load?

Try to answer even if your not privey to my games. Answer in public or not, its no matter. But mind yourself if you can't answer it that means you haven't had the experience with a coil that accelerates. If you had the answer would be easy. The configuration of it would be obvious.

Then you gotta ask yourself, am I really in the position to write a critique on the what another person shows for work? If you can't answer that simple puzzle.

The reason I point this out is not to belittle but to help you understand that because you think you have it figured out based on a few tests and some text you really have just put yourself in a box and thinking outside of it is no longer possible. And this is the problem with people like yourself who look and don't succeed.

Matt

[Farmhand]

One reasons why the reduced input under load effect will never amount to much is that
the output is only ever a percentage of the input, in all of Thanes Motor generator demo's the
power consumed by the prime mover is always more than the output, even though the input power is
reduced when a load is placed on the system the reduction is only possible because the
arrangement is so inherently inefficient to begin with there is wasted power to be saved when
the load alters the parameters that made the arrangement so inefficeint before the load was added.

The behavior of the arrangement is so that when there is "no load" in place the Lenz effect is at it's
greatest for the frequency used "with no output". Then when the load is introduced the factors
leading to the initial artificial inefficncy are altered, as well as some of the wasted power is
redirected to the load.

Basically the maximum output power available is limited from such an arrangement where the input
reduces under a load on the output, the reason being that the maximum available power is about
the amount of power that is input at any moment minus true regular losses ( copper/core losses ect.).

I seen in thanes video's figures like 190 Watts input with less than 50 Watts total utilized
output. And he claims to be making energy while doing that, that soes not seem like a sane comment.

Only utilized output is real output.

For example if we have a resonant air core transformer that has an input of 5 Watts and an
oscillating power or "activity" of 200 Watts, and it is lighting 3 Watts of LED's then the
output is 3 Watts and the efficiency is 60%. or a C.O.P. of 0.6.

The fact that there is 200 Watts of oscillating power or "activity" is irrelevant to the output and to the efficency.

Similarly the fact that a rotor or flywheel may be spinning with some great figure of kinetic
energy is irrelevant to the output, and by extention to the efficiency.

ie. If the input to any motor generator is lets say 190 Watts and the output is lets say 40 Watts
then the efficiency by my reckoning would be about 26.3% or a C.O.P. of 0.263. Which is very inefficent.

Cheers