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[soundiceuk]

Are you absolutely sure you do not want to cash support this copy of amateur radio circuits? I am sure that at least some of it was patented some time in the last century. That does make it revolutionary doesn't it? The only part I don't understand about this project is that if it only costs 10 bucks to make why are we raising money to save the earth? After all the olympics we only get gold and silver but here we can get "bronze"

Hi realmikel, according to my research and from what I understand Tesla's too. Egypt was equipped with wireless electricity 1000's of years ago.

The technology we have today is less advanced than back then.

Surely it clear to most people here that what we are doing is resurrecting almost forgotten buried technology and incorporating modern components and processes to educate the masses before it gets buried again. This time maybe for good!

Please can you explain your problem to me in clearer English, so I can address it.

Thank you

[Joit]

realmikel, that was not what i did mean, that i do not support donation for some kind of circuits, when they are usefull. I do support them. And unfortunatly money still does not grow on a tree yet, and anyone still needs some of it from time to time. Its only when the word money is to often mentioned, or its linked to a PDF what suddenly shows a timer at the Side, what counts down, how much longer you can watch it, it got a strange smell. Against the fact that some claim money do not stink. But that second dl link is better.
But can be, soundiceuk, that it been other socks, what did smell. At last you answered my Question.
Thank you for your further Explanations and Pictures, its actually interesting, how the frequencys are somehow connected here.
I only need some more details about that 65' L shaped longwire antenna, i am no radio amateur, i am a radio noob. What wiresize do you use and what lenght? I think its importend, because it probatly acts like a sender or receiver. Probatly this helps?

Tantric yes, a 555 timer does probatly not work here, i had in mind that it did go up to 500 mhz, but its only 300-500 khz. Even when i drove one lately to 2-4mhz, but can be that my osc did go crazy.
At the other side a osscillation coil is not bad too, it once creates sine waves and probatly align itself better into the circuit more dynamically. Seems, we have to find out how big this 2nd coil need to be.

[IndianaBoys]

Earth Ion Energy Forum Link

Here is a link to their forum:

EARTH ION ENERGY - © COPYRIGHT 2012 - ALL RIGHT RESERVED

IndianaBoys

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Hi soundiceuk, thanks for sharing what you have.
Money will never ever until the end of time, save the earth, sharing freely will.
Maybe this is one of the big learning curves in worlds like this.
Most everyone here need not look very far for a perfect example of sharing freely, as most of us would not be here to even contemplate all that we do and that is your parents, they did not have to share freely the food, clothing and shelter that they did, yet their unconditional love is what enabled this.
Some like to label this idealism, they may believe whatever they wish, though the real world results prove what really sustains everything.
Only that unconditional love, which is the catalyst to sharing freely, will save anything.
Good luck on your journeys and endeavors.
peace love light
tyson

[realmikel]

problem? i feel sure I don't have one

Surely it clear to most people here that what we are doing is resurrecting almost forgotten buried technology and incorporating modern components and processes to educate the masses before it gets buried again. This time maybe for good!

Please can you explain your problem to me in clearer English, so I can address it.

Thank you

After all I was telling a joke to joit.

Clear English: What I have seen of your " buried,hidden,repressed " technology is openly published in amateur radio circles and is considered basic radio info. If you have presented anything different or new that would present any opportunity for free energy it has been obscurred by claims and requests for money to the point I am inclined to agree with joits elegant point of view expressed in one word or six letters. Is this clear enough? Now lets ask a return favor. Please describe the theory that shows improvement in your circuits based on facts that are not described as " clearly everyone". May I point out that you did not run a poll asking this question of "everyone" since you did not ask me. Broad declarations of what everyone knows is not a graphic explanation of electrical theory it is called salesmanship. Snake oil specialists seem to have more salesmanship than explanations and I am simply, clearly asking you, without all the salesmanship, what is your improvement in these circuits you are sharing with this forum.

[GSM]

Here is a link to their forum:

EARTH ION ENERGY - © COPYRIGHT 2012 - ALL RIGHT RESERVED

IndianaBoys

It is NOT a Forum,
we are not allowed to present facts, or contribute, or publish questions.
Only staffers are allowed to post !
I paid my $3 but nothing happened.

There is too much secrecy and control here for something intended to 'save our world', and my advice would be to open up.

Saving the Earth requires greater intellectual input than any single man or even any small group of men could ever offer, and what was it JFK said about secrecy - repugnant.

Actually I am so concerned about what is being stated here from a modus operandii point of view that I am going to check the published V2.5 Bruce Perreault circuit arrangement out myself.
*This has nothing to do with distant tropical thunderstorms.*
Actually it is the tropical regions where they were obliged to develop the top and 3.9MHz bands due to LW and MW being rendered disfunctional by lightning !

This publishing and membership situation is like an attempt to control (for some purpose?) that which cannot be controlled -
this work will continue elsewhere regardless !!!!!

I am not stating that the V2.5 circuit does not work at "X5 CP" as published, but I am claiming it has nothing to do with distant thunderstorms.

Cheers ........... Graham.

[GSM]

I have terrible time wasting problems trying to edit posts here.

I wanted to add a request that the Bruce Perreault V2.5 circuit be published here, so please, this is my separate request.

Cheers ........ Graham.

[Joit]

I have terrible time wasting problems trying to edit posts here.

I wanted to add a request that the Bruce Perreault V2.5 circuit be published here, so please, this is my separate request.

Cheers ........ Graham.

Just click edit, but then go advanced at the bottom, after that, it saves the changes, when you click save.
The first instance works only, when noone else did read the Topic.

[soundiceuk]

realmikel, that was not what i did mean, that i do not support donation for some kind of circuits, when they are usefull. I do support them. And unfortunatly money still does not grow on a tree yet, and anyone still needs some of it from time to time. Its only when the word money is to often mentioned, or its linked to a PDF what suddenly shows a timer at the Side, what counts down, how much longer you can watch it, it got a strange smell.

The timer was not put there by choice.

If you press refresh you can carry on reading.

This eBook was made to allow people to decide if this was a project they would like to support.

Against the fact that some claim money do not stink.

But that second dl link is better.

Hopefully you will see the work that has gone into the 2nd Edition by comparing with the 1st.

At last you answered my Question.

Sorry I did post after your question without seeing it. I certainly wasn't being ignorant.

I only need some more details about that 65' L shaped longwire antenna, i am no radio amateur, i am a radio noob. What wiresize do you use and what length?

You need a 65' (preferably bare) copper wire of sufficient gauge for support between two insulators. The gauge is not so much a deterministic factor as the length of antenna. Make sure to include the lead wire length from your circuit connection, to top antenna, in your length calculations. The gauge can be anywhere between 14 to 20 AWG. You want a well soldered connections and keep away from any power lines in the area...as well as stay away from any metal object!

I think its importend, because it probatly acts like a sender or receiver. Probatly this helps?

It is a receiver.

Tantric yes, a 555 timer does probatly not work here, i had in mind that it did go up to 500 mhz, but its only 300-500 khz. Even when i drove one lately to 2-4mhz, but can be that my osc did go crazy.

- ENGINEERING -
______________

Even CMOS 555 will not get you higher than typically 3mhz. Unless you are working at the 500khz range...these will not be useful. Besides the BFO circuit should work great and is cheap anyway.

At the other side a osscillation coil is not bad too, it once creates sine waves and probatly align itself better into the circuit more dynamically. Seems, we have to find out how big this 2nd coil need to be.

Joit please can you rephrase the question?

[soundiceuk]

Hi folks, Hi soundiceuk, thanks for sharing what you have.

I am totally into sharing, this is why I built Log in

I went down the greed route once in this lifetime, never again!!!!

Money will never ever until the end of time, save the earth, sharing freely will.
Maybe this is one of the big learning curves in worlds like this.
Most everyone here need not look very far for a perfect example of sharing freely, as most of us would not be here to even contemplate all that we do and that is your parents, they did not have to share freely the food, clothing and shelter that they did, yet their unconditional love is what enabled this.
Some like to label this idealism, they may believe whatever they wish, though the real world results prove what really sustains everything.
Only that unconditional love, which is the catalyst to sharing freely, will save anything.
Good luck on your journeys and endeavors.
peace love light
tyson

EARTH ION ENERGY has two options.

1. Contributions

2. Multi-millionaire investors.

The second option is already available to us. We don't see any point going down this route.

No one else has suceeded with option 2 because the whole money system is owned by the world's rulers. Why would it be any different for us


@ realmikel - Sorry, I didn't mean to come across negatively

@ GSM - Please check you should have a link now. Sorry about the wait. Our system isn't is slick as the 2nd Edition looks yet. We are trying to add the download to the PayPal invoice.

@ realmikel & GSM - I've got to go now, but I will be back a little later to answer your other questions.

@ IndianaBoys - Cheers, the link is right at the top of the thread. You have pointed out that this wasn't very clear to people. Thank you.

@ GSM - The v2.5 schematic was posted in the first post of the thread.

@ All - All this feedback is greatly appreciated.

[soundiceuk]

After all I was telling a joke to joit.

I think we have got off on the wrong foot here realmikel, but whilst I could see you were addressing Joit, I had no way of telling it was a joke.

Text is frequently interpreted incorrectly as it can mean too many things. Especially when we have different languages, slang, etc.

I accept that few of you know me or know what my endgame is.

My endgame is for the people of the world to own the best possible working energy technology. Do or die!

As this technology is self-sustaining and uses no fuel but instead planetary ions that get recycled and not used, it rose to the top of the list.

I am trying to help forfil Tesla's, Moray's, Don's & Bruce's dream.

I'm assuming we are all here searching for freedom from energy slavery.

Clear English: What I have seen of your " buried,hidden,repressed " technology is openly published in amateur radio circles and is considered basic radio info. If you have presented anything different or new that would present any opportunity for free energy it has been obscurred by claims and requests for money to the point I am inclined to agree with joits elegant point of view expressed in one word or six letters. Is this clear enough?

Crystal clear thank you

This is how I see it.

Money = options = Delivering a Radiant Energy Power Receiver to the masses.

No Money = Investor and being steered to maximum profit position = delivering a product that will probably break 2 days after the warranty runs out.

My own interpretation is the way this differs to amateur radio is that the circuit is hetrodyning very narrow band planentary frequencies and instead of changing the noise into sound it is being changed into direct electrical power.

I would study the Crump patent in the 2nd Edition.

I shall be asking your question to - ENGINEERING - and will post the response.

Now lets ask a return favor. Please describe the theory that shows improvement in your circuits based on facts that are not described as " clearly everyone". May I point out that you did not run a poll asking this question of "everyone" since you did not ask me. Broad declarations of what everyone knows is not a graphic explanation of electrical theory it is called salesmanship. Snake oil specialists seem to have more salesmanship than explanations and I am simply, clearly asking you, without all the salesmanship, what is your improvement in these circuits you are sharing with this forum.

I will get a response from - ENGINEERING - regarding: "Please describe the theory that shows improvement in your circuits based on facts".


I'm certainly far from perfect, but I try to choose my words carefully, hoping people will interpret what I am saying from my exact words, rather than changing them to something else in their head.

I do not mean this in a disrespectful way. It is just an observation.

"Surely it clear to most people here"

Which should have read "Sure it is clear to most people here".

I am aware of the audience here that know me and what I'm about.

That is who I referred to, I apologise and accept you have no way of knowing this.

I guess we are still in the ice breaker or "getting to know me period".

Our team has taken the proof of concept much further than what is currently posted and wants to deliver it safely to the masses in the form of a fully developed product and total disclosure of every last detail.

We have attracted and are attracting some key players in the alternative energy arena.

We want you, the people, to own this technology.

Sorry for all the sales talk, it has all been very rushed to release the info.

I have taken it upon myself to offer a form of protection / filtering to the engineering team in the way of being the secretary.

I do this for the love of making the world a better place.

If you look at Bruce's 1st Edition and the group effort 2nd Edition you will see how far we have come with $1000 which was left over from the sales of the 1st Edition after printing.

We are a small team of self funded, dedicated volunteers.


I still have GSM's posts to address seperately, but does anyone who has posted feel like their question has been ignored or not answered?


I just wanted to add that none of this was planned. The collaboration just happened.

Strange thing magnetism.

[soundiceuk]

It is NOT a Forum

No it isn't a forum at this stage.

Members can ask - ENGINEERING - a question directly and it will be posted with the username removed and a response from the engineering team.

It needs a lot of work based on feedback from people just like yourself.

we are not allowed to present facts, or contribute, or publish questions.
Only staffers are allowed to post !

At this stage this is partially correct. With all the shills, negative influences & MIB lurking we wanted to keep everything positive. It needs a lot of work based on feedback. Slowly things are moving forward.

I paid my $3 but nothing happened.

Have you received your download yet Graham, I sent it several hours ago to the email address provided in the PayPal invoice.

There is too much secrecy and control here for something intended to 'save our world', and my advice would be to open up.

We are trying our best here to open up here. We don't want to be in a position where an investor is the only option. This project becomes pointless and meaningless if that happens. I'm still here fighting though

Saving the Earth requires greater intellectual input than any single man or even any small group of men could ever offer, and what was it JFK said about secrecy - repugnant.

If you have any ideas on how to move forward with little money or support and no investor I'm all ears.

Actually I am so concerned about what is being stated here from a modus operandii point of view that I am going to check the published V2.5 Bruce Perreault circuit arrangement out myself.
*This has nothing to do with distant tropical thunderstorms.*
Actually it is the tropical regions where they were obliged to develop the top and 3.9MHz bands due to LW and MW being rendered disfunctional by lightning !

Please can you point out the reference to "distant tropical thunderstorms" so I can ask - ENGINEERING - for a response.

If you think that, then others must do too, so it must be addressed.

This publishing and membership situation is like an attempt to control (for some purpose?) that which cannot be controlled -

I see it as an attempt to channel positive energy through EARTH ION ENERGY. Maybe after reading all I have written in this thread you will understand the direction I am attempting to steer this project in.

this work will continue elsewhere regardless !!!!!

I certainly hope it does not get buried. I am trying best to prevent it happening.

I am not stating that the V2.5 circuit does not work at "X5 CP" as published, but I am claiming it has nothing to do with distant thunderstorms.

Please can you point me to where this has been claimed?

[GSM]

Thanks SoundIceUK.

I downloaded from your link early this morning.
I see V2.6 enclosed, but most of the rest I already had.
I suppose this saves others from walking the same path to gain the collection of Patents and writings. Makes me jealous that newbies don't need to spend the same hours searching, but then the more there are on board the better it will be everyone else's future.

Re lightning and tropical bands radio. Broadcasters aimed for a 20dB minimum S/N ratio with reference to local (lightning) noise; Tropical regions being where the lightning noise is.
I read about the medium wave being unsuitable for use in tropical regions 3 or 4 decades ago, but do not remember the source.

Here is lightning noise info;- noise is greater at low-medium broadcast frequencies -
Atmospheric noise - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes I saw the link, I just thought that maybe if the circuit diagram were shown here it would have created greater interest, though now I see there is the V2.6 anyway, and I respect ownership rights. The first paragraph of those linked notes talks about lightning, and this makes me wonder why.

Keep up all your good efforts, as you said some time back - 2012 will be the year.

Cheers ....... Graham.

[GSM]

Hi SoundIceUK.

Gone through some of my books. Even longer ago I read it !
World Radio and TV Handbook - 1963 - page 46 - by Roger Legge - USA;-

"The Tropical Broadcasting Bands are assigned for use for domestic broadcasting in tropical areas, where high atmospheric noise levels limit the service area of medium wave stations."

The 3.5Mz V2.5 frequency being right in the middle of the Tropical Band, though of course not tuned as a conventional carrier generating transmitter of electromagnetic radiation.

Cheers ....... Graham.

[ChrisW]

a few tidbits

SoundIceUK,

1. Thank you for your altruism.

2. Thank you for sticking it to the London bankers.

3. Tesla referred to 500KHz as the "storm frequency." Source: Colorado Springs Notes.

4. The 7.5 to 8.0 MHz range might also be of interest. See Deyo's work.

5. The larger the wire diameter of the antenna, the greater the voltage impressed upon it. Source: ARRL Antenna Book.

6. What I'm dying to see is the full range of frequencies between 5Hz and 8 MHz on a spectrum analyzer. That way we'd know where the most energy lies.

7. Multiple stages could be implemented in this device to step down the frequency in each stage at the sub-harmonics to increase the voltage and current.

8. I'm not sure that adding the two 1.5V batteries is the way to go. I think adding a couple of 5V super caps (in the quarter to half farad range) might be a better approach.

9. I agree with the idea of adding a pair of voltmeters to the build. Seeing the voltage AND the current would provide definitive proof of additional energy in the circuit.

10. I would very much like to see the oscillator's energy coupled into the circuit via the primary. Ideally, the primary and secondary would be tuned to the same resonant frequency. A bit more effort required, but essential for optimum performance.

Keep up the great work... cheers, mate!

Chris