My Asymmetric Electrodynamic Machines

[HuntingRoss]

It wasn't my intention to post further on this topic but I promised to wait a few days after my comments have been misrepresented.

I will not dilute my point by picking apart UFO's interpretation of what I have said and drawn on this topic. Suffice to say that interpretation is wrong.

I will reinforce what I have said firstly by thanking Jeffy for correctly stating my point and thereby assisting UFO in creating the 5 frame film strip. Which I agree with and this does[/IMG]

Happy Hunting

mark

[GChilders]

It wasn't my intention to post further on this topic but I promised to wait a few days after my comments have been misrepresented.

I will not dilute my point by picking apart UFO's interpretation of what I have said and drawn on this topic. Suffice to say that interpretation is wrong.

I will reinforce what I have said firstly by thanking Jeffy for correctly stating my point and thereby assisting UFO in creating the 5 frame film strip. Which I agree with and this does[/IMG]

Happy Hunting

mark

@Mark
Mark I have tried to understand your argument and can see your confusion. The single coil bisector and multi coil bisector and group bisectors are a point and not an angle. By offsetting this point on the stator bisector a few degrees and having the coil energized at this point the rotor will rotate in the direction of the offset. It will rotate to the opposite pole stator bisector and when the center of the stator bisector lines up with the coil bisector the motor will stop rotating if not disconnected from the power prior to that point. Because the magnetic forces will have their strongest attraction at that point. The magnets will center themselves on each other. Do you not understand this principle? It is paramount in understanding the way the asymmetrical motors work.

Cheers

Garry

[GChilders]

@Mark
After examining Post #7650 where UFO goes over the two new windings for the Imperial motor I am confused. He shows two coil bisectors for the two coils that are wound. I was under the impression that even though there are two coils being energized at one time that it still resulted in one magnetic field being produced and that the center of this magnetic field was in the center of both pairs. When I experimented with dual coils on a naked rotor, and energized the coils the magnetic field produced by the coils had no dividing point. It was a north pole that influenced the swing of a compass needle. And that was over a much wider area than that of the coil. It influenced the rotor itself and magnetized it also. Perhaps I am mistaken in my understanding of the influence of the coils. If so I apologize.

Cheers

Garry

[Ufopolitics]

@Mark
After examining Post #7650 where UFO goes over the two new windings for the Imperial motor I am confused. He shows two coil bisectors for the two coils that are wound.

Hello Garry,

Yes, Garry that is correct, each coil projects a stronger concentration of its field exactly from their center.

was under the impression that even though there are two coils being energized at one time that it still resulted in one magnetic field being produced and that the center of this magnetic field was in the center of both pairs.

When We have Two Coils overlapped, in series, and wound in the same direction, each center of strength (bisectors) tend to 'blend' together, and it depends on how they are set Geometrically.

1- The Overlapped 'Common' area they are sharing, where closer coils will project more compact bisectors.

2- The Angle of Projection from each of their centers towards the outer circumference creates a divergence tending to separate them.

When I experimented with dual coils on a naked rotor, and energized the coils the magnetic field produced by the coils had no dividing point. It was a north pole that influenced the swing of a compass needle. And that was over a much wider area than that of the coil. It influenced the rotor itself and magnetized it also. Perhaps I am mistaken in my understanding of the influence of the coils. If so I apologize.

Cheers

Garry

You can not actually 'feel' this small separation between two stronger areas (bisectors) with just a compass needle movement. The needle tends to balance by seeking at a center between the two bisectors, since both are North polarization...And again, it depends on how close they are plus each angles of projection...so every set up is different according to rotor structure spec's.

The best way to "see" this is by using two movable (loose) coils, with a fixed compass, then from a wider angle (not overlapped) start bringing coils closer into an overlap ..then you will notice how needle will go pointing between one and the other until it settles when bisectors are blended.


Kind Regards


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

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And...here comes Mark and addresses the following Calculation to Sampojo (the little blue arrow will drive you to the original post link):



Below are just Two Sequence of Diagrams I have done related to this "scenario"...

And for clarification...We only need two frames here...not three, not five.

1-When C1 and C6 STARTS to make contact (ON STAGE)>>>>This defines the primary North to North Repulsion Angle.

2-When C2 and C7 DISCONNECTS (OFF STAGE)>>>>This verifies that C2/C7 (LEAVE COILS) disconnect before reaching South Stator Bisector.

And the "playing" gap between both Frames, will help us to find the Sweet Spot for Timing...so here we go (again):

FRAME ONE (1) C1 and C6 STARTS to make Contact (ON STAGE)

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I have defined a Shaded Red Area as the Fixed Four Stators Interaction AngleBlue Shaded Area as the Four Coils involved in InteractionFRAME TWO (2) C2 and C7 DISCONNECTS (OFF STAGE)

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[Ufopolitics]

Sampojo Attract Mode...

Ok, now this Post is addressed mainlyHowever, something important that you must realize here is that all depends upon operating speed and voltage delivery...since the fastest the rotor is spinning...the more "magnetic curvature deformation" of your rotor bisectors and whole rotating field will suffer...normally following rotation sense. Meaning, too short attract angles (no matter how beautifully they display such very low amperage) will tend to distort bypassing the South Stator Bisectors...then Motor will suffer a sudden slow down ...Which will normalize back as soon as you reduce feeding V.


Regards friend.


Ufopolitics

[HuntingRoss]

Do you not understand this principle?

@ Gary

I find it hilarious that people keep asking me THAT question.

I am simply processing the information given. If people can not assimilate the information, then they should be asking the question of themselves. Not me.

Keep Hunting

mark

[HuntingRoss]

@Mark
After examining Post #7650 where UFO goes over the two new windings for the Imperial motor I am confused. He shows two coil bisectors for the two coils that are wound. I was under the impression that even though there are two coils being energized at one time that it still resulted in one magnetic field being produced and that the center of this magnetic field was in the center of both pairs....

Perhaps I am mistaken in my understanding of the influence of the coils. If so I apologize.

[HuntingRoss]

I am going to focus this Post on Sampojo Ten (10) pole rotor, Ten (10) commutator segments and Four (4) Stators analysis.

[padova]

@Padova,

Don't waste your time with this people!

Did you see who responded?...Midaz the Hijacker...

And now he has nothing else to do but to repost it on his boring promises thread...

@Midaz: Go Hijacker do your piece of crap...with single coils...did you made up your mind between 5 or 6 yet?

Thanks UFO.
I saw it.
Well what we can do. I am quite busy. I have to finish some things.
I have no time.

regards

[Zardox]

Mark

Can you explain this? "And given the 5 frame agreement that a comm sweeps over a brush with an angle equal to twice its face width".
Its early for me but I'm just not following.

[HuntingRoss]

Can you explain this? "And given the 5 frame agreement that a comm sweeps over a brush with an angle equal to twice its face width".

Hi Zardox

UFO posted in response to Jeffy, the following -

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[jeffy39]

pers. msg

@ JC4me : have you checked your P M's lately?
jw

[Ufopolitics]

Is this Confusion?...or else?

ah yeah, your right, i didnt take into account the end of the wind, is still up top, on the single comm. doh.

ok, thats settled then, lol, dual comm is superior

With respect grounded, all this proves is single comm can't do all north.

Happy Hunting

mark

Negative Mark,

Dual Commutator Machines has been proven to be FAR superior to ANY single commutator designs, no matter how far you get into "trying" to make them better.

Just because of your constant personal failures on dual commutator machines...does not need to be "extended" into "General Comments" like above Mark.

Single Commutator KILLS by reversing polarity in every turn the collapsing field Radiant that tries to enter the system...this has been long time ago discussed/debated in my First Thread here.

Dual Commutator Machines generates a "One Way Flow" within rotating fields...this has long, very long implications that range from flux flows to electrical fields flow...besides no constant colliding of electrons/flux like a Single, old commutator does.

This effects can NEVER be reproduced with a Single Comm deal.



Ufopolitics

[GChilders]

Does electricity start to flow when brush initially touches com element?

@UFOPolitics
My question is does the electricity that is being fed to the motor coils begin to flow the millisecond that the brush touches the commutator element? This violates most electricity laws. Electricity always takes the path of least resistance. I do not think that there will be a very long period where two neighboring commutator elements will be energized simultaneously with the exact same amount of resistance between the coils brushes and wires leading into them. Just food for thought.

Cheers

Garry