My Asymmetric Electrodynamic Machines

[machinealive]

Let me clear things up

Listen, Guys and Gals, I just got home and read.

I never said I was leaving, I just will not be called a fraud, without having a chance to settle. In the real world, those are words that get you hit hard. I really don't like that. P ( I don't want to say his name), called UFO a fraud, and then called everyone here frauds. Without showing one video, of a ten dollar motor, even if he didn't get the results he wanted, it was ten bucks. I just don't want that Guy to see my work, if he won't show his work or apologize, or give me a chance to smash his teeth out.. I would take FHand anyday, over that, P, makes me sick.

In terms of TM, I honestly thought that was a good question, I was sure that I was asked that same question, on 1st year Physics final bonus question, I probably got it wrong then too , I was hoping for TM to answer, I really thought he would explain, if I was wrong, but he didn't. Then I thought he was saying that I was making money off the kit. I didn't know how to take that, so I asked him. He said didn't mean to imply any money was made. He even apologized if I took offence, like a normal person would do, so I believe him.

I swear, I pm'ed someone just last week, here, before any of this happened, and apoligized because I thought I had been taken wrong, he can confirm if he wants, he said he knew what I meant. It is that easy, to be misunderstood. I honestly have no problem with TM, He's a smart, sharp guy, in classic physics. He could be a real asset. No one is going to convince me of anything untill I see for myself, he seems like he feels the same way.

So, really, I have been feeling like my posts were being misread, and I was misreading others, I'll pm everyone here, just not a man who calls me a fraud, behind a computor screen. That was not a misread. he can spend his own money, if he's got any ( 10 bucks?). I'll say it again, Everything I've reproduced, so far has worked like UFO said it would, no fraud. I've posted everything for all to see.

Here's my vid of UFO package, I already promised to show, who ever wants to see. I swear I am not getting a red cent.
video 2012 12 17 13 34 10 - YouTube

Please don't fight, it can only get worse.
Really, I wouldn't leave you guys, and I don't want anyone booted, I'm just not sure if I want to post for everyone here.

[Ufopolitics]

Machine!!

Listen, Guys and Gals, I just got home and read.

I never said I was leaving, I just will not be called a fraud, without having a chance to settle. In the real world, those are words that get you hit hard. I really don't like that. P ( I don't want to say his name), called UFO a fraud, and then called everyone here frauds. Without showing one video, of a ten dollar motor, even if he didn't get the results he wanted, it was ten bucks. I just don't want that Guy to see my work, if he won't show his work or apologize, or give me a chance to smash his teeth out.. I would take FHand anyday, over that, P, makes me sick.

In terms of TM, I honestly thought that was a good question, I was sure that I was asked that same question, on 1st year Physics final bonus question, I probably got it wrong then too , I was hoping for TM to answer, I really thought he would explain, if I was wrong, but he didn't. Then I thought he was saying that I was making money off the kit. I didn't know how to take that, so I asked him. He said didn't mean to imply any money was made. He even apologized if I took offence, like a normal person would do, so I believe him.

I swear, I pm'ed someone just last week, here, before any of this happened, and apoligized because I thought I had been taken wrong, he can confirm if he wants, he said he knew what I meant. It is that easy, to be misunderstood. I honestly have no problem with TM, He's a smart, sharp guy, in classic physics. He could be a real asset. No one is going to convince me of anything untill I see for myself, he seems like he feels the same way.

So, really, I have been feeling like my posts were being misread, and I was misreading others, I'll pm everyone here, just not a man who calls me a fraud, behind a computor screen. That was not a misread. he can spend his own money, if he's got any ( 10 bucks?). I'll say it again, Everything I've reproduced, so far has worked like UFO said it would, no fraud. I've posted everything for all to see.

Here's my vid of UFO package, I already promised to show, who ever wants to see. I swear I am not getting a red cent.
video 2012 12 17 13 34 10 - YouTube

Please don't fight, it can only get worse.
Really, I wouldn't leave you guys, and I don't want anyone booted, I'm just not sure if I want to post for everyone here.

Hey Machine!, glad to read you back here again!


Oh Man!!


I am dying of envy!!...Those Armatures look soooo CLEAN!!!
No wires, smooth fresh brand new epoxy resin...(I can smell it from here!!)

Can I send by mail my other wired one? so you get to practice on taking those things off??...

I mean...as "part of the training" let's say...
I can't believe you guys are getting such a piece of cake!!


Great, am glad everything arrived OK!!...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[tachyon]

any updates ?

[velacreations]

I am following this thread with interest. I am searching for OU or COP>1 that can be replicated, so tired of all the threads, countless threads, without anything real.

I have high hopes for this one. I eagerly await further test results.

[prochiro]

Machinealive
Cast your nets into the sea. Where they fall is of no concern. Those who prosper from the cast are blessed as it was cast in good faith. If a cast produces a foul catch, pitch it back to the sea and recast. This is a journey my friend . A journey into the unknown and he who goes with friends is not alone.
Dana

[Ufopolitics]

[Ufopolitics]

Hello Velacreations

I am following this thread with interest. I am searching for OU or COP>1 that can be replicated, so tired of all the threads, countless threads, without anything real.

I have high hopes for this one. I eagerly await further test results.

Hello Velacreations,

I have seen your previous posts before, as also your brand new thread...

Anything that works?

So, let me ask you something...

So far you are asking if anything works?...to then "start making it"...isn't that a little lazy on your side?

Do you know for how long so many Members here have been breaking their backs, their pockets and burning their time...while you calmly are waiting till We all find something?!

Isn't that a very comfortable "status" My Dear Vela?

Let me ask you this...

Let's say tomorrow I set here a complete proof of My Technology (which is absolutely nothing simple at all, and many active and replicating members here with me for months from the beginning ...still do not have a clear/complete view of it all) and then let's say is proven OU , even by the Platoon from Skeptics Country...and maybe even a self runner...
So then, Mr or Mrs Velacreations will step down from His/Her nice and High...Watch Tower...and we all...slaves of destiny...will have to stop whatever we are doing...and start explaining to "Your Majesty" from scratch?...Is that what you are expecting?...for real?

Because, the "Way to Get into This World of Free Energy, Overunity...and Mystic Taboos of Hidden Black Science"...is by starting to deeply read/study the Threads that you consider are "suitable" to your desires...then start building from scratch from the smallest of models rendered here, and sharing with others your frustrations or victories...so when you see a much bigger Machine, very complex....you have -at least- an idea of what is going on...and what is about...

And not just "waiting to see if..." to then..."start"...

That is not the way...Velacreations...

At least ..The creator of this Thread (Me)...after I render all this testing final that I am working on...upload all the videos I am supposed to.... I am gonna take a very long and relaxing vacation...I need it and I deserve it.

Regards and Good Luck in your search...and in your expectations.

Just be careful all the way up there... in those heights of your Watch Tower...gravity is terrible sometimes...


Ufopolitics

[iankoglin]

Hello Kogs, I feel a little responsible for bringing up something that might have contributed to you and TinMan getting into an arguement.

. It's not anything important. I was just trying to create a usable diversion from all the dissension going on and even that backfired.
John Hav

Do not take advice uninformed, take advice to inform yourself ! It will aid you in the long run.
It is obvious to me that most of you here are giving and taking unimformed advice

That you are making comments about things you have not even read what he is disclosing to everyone for free
First before you all make any comment regarding what UFO is sharing
You should read all his posts starting here about the disclosure that UFO has made it is here Not all the rubbish by uninformed persons disrupting the thread

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/10529-my-motors-got-me-tap-into-radiant-energy.html#post178976

Then read all the posts starting here

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11885-my-asymmetric-electrodynamic-machines.html

You will notice that UFO did not ask anyone to buy 2 $600 or even $100 motors to alter and see for ourselves what he was trying to explain he asked us if we want to buy 3 $6 motors and SEE for ourselves what he is saying

Every time someone asked a question regarding his disclosure he willingly answered everyone even those who here having trouble he helped so they got thier machines going

AS you read these posts you will understand the logic and as you build you will see for yourselves that what he is disclosing to us is just as he has said (it is our experimenting not his as he has finished all the experimenting before his disclosure)
many have asked about different Electric motors to convert he has looked at them and after has shown how to wire them or if the wont be useful to discard them and gives the reason why

Not averyone on the above lists are exactly sure that what UFO is disclosing is going to be exactly as he says But we are patient
And those who have built/modified as he has shown are confident in what he says is feasible the fact that they are purchasing more expensive machines proves this.
Also I am sure that the Imperial Electric Company like other electric motor companies would not sell incomplete motors to anyone Just to experiment with (Believe me I have tried every where to purchase a bare motor that is without wire) especially at the price they are doing so if they did not think there was any benefit.

So Before anyone else is going to comment here I suggest you do as As Red Sunset stated
Do not take advice uninformed, take advice to inform yourself ! It will aid you in the long run.

Kindest Regards
Ian Koglin aka Kogs

So my friend John H this extra controversities only disrupt the flow of this forum even though it may have some scientific content it is just extra here and should be done somewhere else I am sure that most if not all participants here do not want these disruptions as it is boring.


Kindest Regards


Just hoping you understand what I am getting at

[velacreations]

Hello Velacreations,

I have seen your previous posts before, as also your brand new thread...

Anything that works?

So, let me ask you something...

So far you are asking if anything works?...to then "start making it"...isn't that a little lazy on your side?

Yes, it is lazy on my part. But, by posting that thread, I am trying to see if anyone has found anything that can be replicated. There are hundreds, if not thousands of threads on this forum about devices and theories. Do any of them actually work?

I have searched and researched and looked for years and years, decades, in fact, tested and tried and experimented, and nothing worked. Nothing could be replicated, and everything was a farce. No OU, no free lunch, lots of money, time and effort down the drain chasing something that wasn't real in the first place.

So, yes, I am being lazy, but also asking honest questions. Can I save a bit of effort and start in the right direction? Isn't that the point, here? To share information so that we don't waste more time and money and effort than necessary? Don't we all want to find a starting place that will eventually be fruitful?

Let's say tomorrow I set here a complete proof of My Technology (which is absolutely nothing simple at all, and many active and replicating members here with me for months from the beginning ...still do not have a clear/complete view of it all) and then let's say is proven OU , even by the Platoon from Skeptics Country...and maybe even a self runner...
So then, Mr or Mrs Velacreations will step down from His/Her nice and High...Watch Tower...and we all...slaves of destiny...will have to stop whatever we are doing...and start explaining to "Your Majesty" from scratch?...Is that what you are expecting?...for real?

No, I'm not expecting that at all. I am expecting honesty to simple questions. Do we have OU in these thousands upon thousands of pages of discussions? Do we have viable paths to pursue? I have seen replications in this thread, but not of OU.

Does your device demonstrate OU? Is it a worthwhile place to experiment? That remains to be seen. And I am watching that with interest. But I have not asked you for anything, not even a reply.

I have seen countless replications of devices than do absolutely nothing, except drain the confidence, hope, and wallets of the builders. So, forgive me for trying to avoid a bit of that and cut to the chase.

sharing with others your frustrations or victories...

This is what I was asking in my thread, and watching for here. Nothing more.

Victories - that is what I am seeking. I have found a staggering lack thereof.

I have limited funds, time, and efforts that I can devote towards things that have questionable outcomes. To maximize these resources, I look for the best possibilities, the best potential. If I chased every single path on this forum, or the numerous forums like it, I would be no further along in my quest, but with less money and hope than when I started.

Shooting blind in the dark is not an effective way to hit a target.

We all stand on the shoulders of those before us, do we not? Even you have taken knowledge from others to save yourself the effort of discovering it in the first place. Where would you be if you had never seen any work of Tesla or Ohm or Newton or the thousands upon thousands of other scientists and engineers whose knowledge and work you use to your advantage? Where would you be if you could not order prefabricated parts or materials?

So, yes, I am lazy. I don't want to repeat everyone's mistakes, and I am not ashamed of that.

[Ufopolitics]

Ok lazy Velacreations...welcome on this boat...

Yes, it is lazy on my part. But, by posting that thread, I am trying to see if anyone has found anything that can be replicated. There are hundreds, if not thousands of threads on this forum about devices and theories. Do any of them actually work?

I have searched and researched and looked for years and years, decades, in fact, tested and tried and experimented, and nothing worked. Nothing could be replicated, and everything was a farce. No OU, no free lunch, lots of money, time and effort down the drain chasing something that wasn't real in the first place.

So, yes, I am being lazy, but also asking honest questions. Can I save a bit of effort and start in the right direction? Isn't that the point, here? To share information so that we don't waste more time and money and effort than necessary? Don't we all want to find a starting place that will eventually be fruitful?


No, I'm not expecting that at all. I am expecting honesty to simple questions. Do we have OU in these thousands upon thousands of pages of discussions? Do we have viable paths to pursue? I have seen replications in this thread, but not of OU.

Does your device demonstrate OU? Is it a worthwhile place to experiment? That remains to be seen. And I am watching that with interest. But I have not asked you for anything, not even a reply.

I have seen countless replications of devices than do absolutely nothing, except drain the confidence, hope, and wallets of the builders. So, forgive me for trying to avoid a bit of that and cut to the chase.


This is what I was asking in my thread, and watching for here. Nothing more.

Victories - that is what I am seeking. I have found a staggering lack thereof.

I have limited funds, time, and efforts that I can devote towards things that have questionable outcomes. To maximize these resources, I look for the best possibilities, the best potential. If I chased every single path on this forum, or the numerous forums like it, I would be no further along in my quest, but with less money and hope than when I started.

Shooting blind in the dark is not an effective way to hit a target.

We all stand on the shoulders of those before us, do we not? Even you have taken knowledge from others to save yourself the effort of discovering it in the first place. Where would you be if you had never seen any work of Tesla or Ohm or Newton or the thousands upon thousands of other scientists and engineers whose knowledge and work you use to your advantage? Where would you be if you could not order prefabricated parts or materials?

So, yes, I am lazy. I don't want to repeat everyone's mistakes, and I am not ashamed of that.

Hello Vela,

Ok, since you are admitting it...then I would say it...

"Ok lazy Velacreations, welcome to my Thread, be My main watching Guest...

Now, related that I would say that my motors could do OU...No Way!!...I would not even repeat that story ever again...believe me...I do not keep bumping the same place twice...

I really do not have absolutely any fun...that by just "invoking" those two magical letters out in the air...this place gets infested by the Platoon of Skeptics Watchers ...insulting, demanding, requesting like the worst ever examiner from the USPTO or the DoE...

But I really recommend to read...then analyze, make your own sketches...CAD's...move them, animate them...and find out for yourself...
Or...keep the status you like..."Just watch Us brake our backs here..."...lol, not a problem Vela...like I wrote...


Welcome here, be my guest.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Lightworker1]

UFO KIT via UPS is here

Hello @All. Happy to say wait is over. Mostly everything OK.
The Stator with Magnets was missing when I compared my shipment inventory with that of Machine Alive's video .
Also looks during transit via UPS, rotor armature arrived damaged. Will check tomorrow with UPS for that.

Here some pictures:

















The rotor armature looks like got damaged during UPS shipment



...
This is frame capture of a stator with magnets from Machine Alive's video, which is missing from my shipment



Warmest regards
lightworker

[Cornboy 555]

Thanks Lester.

Hello UFO,

I'm putting this concept forward since you did mention about decay time.

I'm sure you know that it is possible to extend the magnetism (time-wise) in the rotor core right after the coil has been pulsed. I don't think you are doing that already at this early stage of your success. Perhaps you might want to try this later?

Below is a plot of various decay times for inductor = 1mH and resistor = 1 ~ 5 ohms showing that as resistance decreases the decay time becomes longer. I was thinking that perhaps it would be beneficial to prolong the decay time and thus "salvage" any residual power left in the rotor (right after the pulse) and use it as an extra push for as long as a rotor pole piece is still within the swept angle of the stator pole, and that will help (not sure) the motor efficiency some more. Will this cause the witch to show its ugly face again? Just a suggestion to further our understanding.


To avoid confusion with the other members here:
The resistor value would depend on several factors like length of wire, wire size, number of poles vs. running rpm of motor, internal resistance of the diode used, etc. It is far easier to determine the actual resistor value empirically.

I hope this suggestion won't spark another round of extended debates about electromagnetic theories along with its consequential harsh remarks.
Just try it if you will and report your observations. Commutator timing may need to be adjusted to see the benefit if indeed it's there.

Lester444

No i didn't know that Lester, Thanks, it will help me when working out wire size to wind MAG3 scratch build. It's great to have people skilled in electronics here, John Stone and yourself are greatly appreciated.

Recieved My custom Commutators today and am waiting on price for rotor core, and stator stacks, built complete as samples. I am hoping this will be cheaper, and of course the time it will save me is precious.

Regards To ALL,

Cornboy

[Ufopolitics]

Glad you got most of it Light!

Hello @All. Happy to say wait is over. Mostly everything OK.
The Stator with Magnets was missing when I compared my shipment inventory with that of Machine Alive's video .
Also looks during transit via UPS, rotor armature arrived damaged. Will check tomorrow with UPS for that.

Here some pictures:

















The rotor armature looks like got damaged during UPS shipment



...
This is frame capture of a stator with magnets from Machine Alive's video, which is missing from my shipment



Warmest regards
lightworker

That looks nice Light!!

Now, since Machine is in charge talking to Dyann about the UFO Kits...

It would be a good idea to ask her is possible to wrap Armatures in some either bubble wrap...or even cardboard around outer surface...and some tape to secure it. As also to throw a couple of FRAGILE stickers there on box.

I have noticed Armature comes as it came out of Epoxy bath...which is great, but, there is a check that must be done before starting to wind it...
This Armatures (I am basing this on the way mines look when I pull them out of stator frame..) they are sanded in the outer area where they meet stators...leaving a very fine (in some parts only) of green epoxy, but most of that outer area is in bare metal)...To me...it seems the whole rotor must be set on a Lathe or some way to turn it steady and very centered, then just a stick of flat wood with sandpaper (I would say like 80 grit...to do the sanding easier just at outer surface (Air Gap).

Because as it looks...it seems like epoxy would be taking too close space of the air gap...if not making contact in some places...so it also could be checked by sliding it in...without brushes or commutators on...just bearings and outer casings.

Machine, could you ask Dyan or better the engineers there,,,Joe I believe?...if this armatures must be turned ?...to me it looks like it does need to...

Sorry Light about the trouble in shipment, I am sure they will correct it...not a big deal, lamination's are soft steel, and could be straighten with needle nose pliers...but then you will need to have High Temp Epoxy Thick Resin (pretty expensive though) to re-coat the damaged area... I hit at some point and caused a similar damage (before winding it, thanks God!)...when I was stripping the wires off.

However Light, since they also forgot the stator...have them send you another one...


Regards and Light


Ufopolitics

[iankoglin]

kogs Mecc Alte

G'Day UFO and all my other Friends
I today received My Mecc Alte Generator I have pic

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It is only the cowl that is damaged

I am now waiting for Dyann to come back as I have paid for my 3 UFO Kits and wait for them to be delivered no hurry for me as I am in the process of mofifying 2 Mobility scooter motors it has 2 brushes and is 12 poles the commutator has 12 segments the winding is a bit strange it has 2 windings attached to each com segment I documented as I unwound the wires It looks like that each comm has a start for one winding and the end of another winding which is exactly the oposite comms to each other all the windings are the same direction but wound on the opposite side of the armature so when the positive Brush is energised the 2 windings is connected to the oposite commutator segments so that it appears that one may be energised as a North and the oposite energised as a south, I will see if I can load up some pics when I master this Draft sight Program

Kindest regards


Probably what I will look like when I run my Mecc Alte/UFO kit

[Lester444]

No i didn't know that Lester, Thanks, it will help me when working out wire size to wind MAG3 scratch build. It's great to have people skilled in electronics here, John Stone and yourself are greatly appreciated.

I have selfish reasons Cornboy and I would like to see everybody succeed with their replications. If I can help in any way just ask and I will provide as much as I am able, although I do realize that we all must give way to our guru, UFO, in how he wants us to proceed, at his own pace.

I am seriously contemplating my own build but have no means to get that Imperial motor in my hands. I can have water-cut armatures made and also those commutators...... but the magnets are an insurmountable barrier at the moment. I can wait for future developments, with air core stators in mind. Those I can make no problemo.

At your service UFO. Just ask and it will be provided as much as is possible.

Lester444