My Asymmetric Electrodynamic Machines

[Ufopolitics]

Traction Motors...our Next Frontier?

Hey Machine, Cornboy, Prochiro...and All those great hard working building guys out there...

What about Traction Motors?

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Have You seen this Monsters?...We need Forklifts to lift them off their Pallets...

Electric Motor Repair and Traction Motor Repair

Take a look at those Commutators Brushes Arrangements...nice Uh?

http://www.swigercoil.com/upload/new...pabilities.pdf

Imagine this "Things" converted to Asymmetrical Tech?


Will love to get my hands on one of this things...wouldn't you?


I have been following this Motors for a while...they make them AC and DC...Room enough to set the Dual Commutators in One shaft end...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Hitby13kw]

So many ideas, . . .

UFO
Looks like 2013 is going to be a Great year !!!

Got introduced to your work via YouTube - Was much Impressed with all

Started reading the my-motors-got-me-tap-into-radiant-energy thread from page 1 post 1 ( both good & bad ) to current date, then joined ( so we could see all the details )

I have to say, don't know that I could have walked the same path & not given up. You have a gift and have freely shared it with the world.

Now we are reading all the symmetric-versus-asymmetric-electromagnetic-systems thread and forming an attach plan !!!!

No questions yet, still in absorb mode, just wanted to touch base and say Thank you, Thank you, Thank you
- you have give me some new goals in life.

We will post our replication as work progresses.
now if I can just remember where the camera is . . . .

[Cornboy 555]

Short Circuit Motors.

Hey Machine, Cornboy, Prochiro...and All those great hard working building guys out there...

What about Traction Motors?

[IMG][/IMG]

Have You seen this Monsters?...We need Forklifts to lift them off their Pallets...

Electric Motor Repair and Traction Motor Repair

Take a look at those Commutators Brushes Arrangements...nice Uh?

http://www.swigercoil.com/upload/new...pabilities.pdf

Imagine this "Things" converted to Asymmetrical Tech?


Will love to get my hands on one of this things...wouldn't you?


I have been following this Motors for a while...they make them AC and DC...Room enough to set the Dual Commutators in One shaft end...


Regards


Ufopolitics

Hi UFO, most of these monsters have large single or double conductors, which you call short circuit motors, dont they?

Is there a way to make them assymetric in the windings?

They seem same design as modern EV DC Traction motors.

Also did some research into armature coatings on mass produced rotors and found those products are powder epoxy's electrostatically applied, not for one off job's.

Still looking for good product locally.

Regards Cornboy.

[prochiro]

Cornboy
Look, UFO is showing pictures of your monster and its friends. Well anyway, your the closest to them at this point although you would not need a tow motor to lift 48 pounds, But maybe you would after all the wire and comms are on. HeHeHe.
Dana

[Ufopolitics]

Many Thanks and Welcome!!

UFO
Looks like 2013 is going to be a Great year !!!

Got introduced to your work via YouTube - Was much Impressed with all

Started reading the my-motors-got-me-tap-into-radiant-energy thread from page 1 post 1 ( both good & bad ) to current date, then joined ( so we could see all the details )

I have to say, don't know that I could have walked the same path & not given up. You have a gift and have freely shared it with the world.

Now we are reading all the symmetric-versus-asymmetric-electromagnetic-systems thread and forming an attach plan !!!!

No questions yet, still in absorb mode, just wanted to touch base and say Thank you, Thank you, Thank you
- you have give me some new goals in life.

We will post our replication as work progresses.
now if I can just remember where the camera is . . . .

Hello and Welcome, Hitby13kw,

Yes you would "hit" those 13 Kwatts...

Thanks for all your kind words, as I am very proud I have inspired you into this!

Regards and Enjoy the Show...There is a lot more to come...


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Hey Cornboy

Hi UFO, most of these monsters have large single or double conductors, which you call short circuit motors, dont they?

Some do, some don't...and they have those "Pre Build Coils", already shaped like you see in the right upper picture (Guy Winding One)

Now, look at the middle outer left Picture (Wound Finished Armature)...see the space between poles?

Also in the bare armature...(center upper)...see space?

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And..."Short Circuit Motors"...are ALL the Symmetrical Motors we know off...that's how they are all called...they are in short circuit since you start that motor, my friend...get a continuity meter...and test ANY point in their armatures...will see the "short" there in all.

Is there a way to make them assymetric in the windings?

Absolutely and Positively YES!

They seem same design as modern EV DC Traction motors.

Nope...

Also did some research into armature coatings on mass produced rotors and found those products are powder epoxy's electrostatically applied, not for one off job's.

Still looking for good product locally.

Regards Cornboy.

[Lester444]

Hello all,

Just a quick update to show you my progress. It's basically a test platform so I will be able to re-configure if needed. Will also be able to add reed switches or hall sensors for precise pulse placement and see its effects, if any. The rotor spins freely on 2x miniature ball bearings

There's room at the other end for a load or a generator. Hoping to be able to loop it back for a self-runner, even with less than 2 watts OU. Just a small & cheap proof of concept before spending money on a bigger machine.



@UFO,

If you would be so kind to answer some questions:
1. Would 4x magnets be better than 2x with this 12-pole rotor? Winding config is 12-pole TorqMaster.
2. Should I go directly to 4x magnets or should I start with 2x? I will use curved ceramic magnets.

I chose to go with this design because you said:

This Design is better than the Star of David...more coils (12 Pairs/24 Coils) So, Pmazz...You got it right here...

It is more "stable" and balanced in electromagnetic interactions...it should deliver excellent torque and also great speed...yes, both.

Reference: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...chines-31.html

Thank you.

Lester

[Cornboy 555]

S Word.

Cornboy
Look, UFO is showing pictures of your monster and its friends. Well anyway, your the closest to them at this point although you would not need a tow motor to lift 48 pounds, But maybe you would after all the wire and comms are on. HeHeHe.
Dana

Hey DANA, just finished assembling the third stator pack, they weigh 8 pounds each, so there is another 48 pound, OH OH, rotor pack is the same weight That's very, dare i say it, symetrical, there i just said the s Word.

Regards Cornboy.

[Cornboy 555]

Maybe.



Thats Great UFO, only trouble is i don't have a train right at this point, i could possibly rustle up a truck or two though.

But, Wait, i do have a header with a 100hp diesel motor, and a 80hp tractor that need upgrading to electric Sooo we will see.


Regards Cornboy.

[sampojo]

my next step on the learning curve

Well I think my windings burnt up. shorts to the shaft, open circuits on opposite poles that should be 4 ohms. Might have pushed the commutator in too far and nicked some wires trying the rotor in it work in a body that was just 1/16" short. But I am satisfied that I can make an asymmetrical motor now, but need to improve my skills.

Here is the hardware I have pulled together for 3 projects.


My double rotor RS I made the body as long as I could, but still too short, so I have found that 1" ID copper pipe (shown) is a near perfect fit. I liked lester's idea of putting bearings on and those are on order. I think I will need to whack the shaft to broaden it so that I get a snug fit, to make up for a .00075 mismatch on my shaft material. I believe I can keep it true. The bearing OD will fit well in the motor end plates at 5/32". The red arrow shows the bushing popped out of the housing.

I want to build a couple more RS single rotors, one with the lower 28ga wire recommended. I want to drive the double rotor as a generator with the higher power single rotor I think that will result, to see what kind of miniature motor results I can get. I have an appliance that is not so good on batteries and I want to replace its motor with an 32ga RS version.

Stepping up a size, I have 4 10-pole car window motors and want to make 2 asym motors out of these, looking at using the P71 #2124 winding.

I have shaft replacement material and will order bearings. Gotta rotate the brushes 90dg, which will be tough since it is not round, which pushes toward the idea of housing replacement, just needing 1 3/4" ID pipe. Then I start thinking, I will have room and a couple extra magnets. Dont let them go to waste, so why not a 4-mag motor like Ufo's Bosch?

So I would use this winding for that.

But since it is a ten pole I use 2 poles per coil not 4.

Here is a few questions for UFO then.

1. So this motor must have a total of 8 BRUSHES ++-- motor and ++-- gens ?
2. For wiring, do you connect the input power motor + terminals together onto the power?
3. Are you and machine building an asym gen and if so, where approximately in the thead is the best place to start studying it?

I want to try to convert a salvaged induction motors to a generator to run off of the first 10-pole I build, the one I have is shown in the first pic, before I invest 600 in a Mecce Alte.

I have a question about what generator output (harvested CEMF) looks like on an O-scope. I am assuming it is similar to BEMF from any non-motor coil, which must be very spikey high voltage, ringing like crazy, and decaying rapidly, to give a simple voltmeter reading of a "steady" 18v or whatever.

UFO or Machine, is this where the diodes and caps come it to improve the quality of the generator output? Is it possible to apply a FWBR to get more power in this situation?

Thanks!

Joe

[Cornboy 555]

Payment.

PS. I had a lot of money saved up to give you UFO for your help, but i went and spent it on a motor, it's a bad habit i have!.

Warm Regards Friend, Cornboy.

[smitev72]

[Ufopolitics]

Hello Lester

Hello all,

Just a quick update to show you my progress. It's basically a test platform so I will be able to re-configure if needed. Will also be able to add reed switches or hall sensors for precise pulse placement and see its effects, if any. The rotor spins freely on 2x miniature ball bearings

There's room at the other end for a load or a generator. Hoping to be able to loop it back for a self-runner, even with less than 2 watts OU. Just a small & cheap proof of concept before spending money on a bigger machine.



@UFO,

If you would be so kind to answer some questions:
1. Would 4x magnets be better than 2x with this 12-pole rotor? Winding config is 12-pole TorqMaster.
2. Should I go directly to 4x magnets or should I start with 2x? I will use curved ceramic magnets.

I chose to go with this design because you said:


Reference: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...chines-31.html

Thank you.

Lester

Hello Lester,

First let me tell you that I like very much your neat work, I can see that you like perfection, even in the pictures you choose the right background and your models are very nicely put together...so, yes, you will build and make very nice asymmetrical machines, as videos and picture albums. like that!...

I did not respond last night, because I wanted to put it together for you...in detail.

Now:

@UFO,

If you would be so kind to answer some questions:
1. Would 4x magnets be better than 2x with this 12-pole rotor? Winding config is 12-pole TorqMaster.
2. Should I go directly to 4x magnets or should I start with 2x? I will use curved ceramic magnets.

[Lightworker1]

Keep away from the investors and don't talk to strangers on the phone

LOL

I thought it was similar because they rewire the motors without rewinding, they switch plugs around, changing the flow, and they even do the motor linked to generator setup.

I am amazed at how many FE machines have been succesfully built, and the approach that 'the system' seems to take these days isn't to kill you, it is to ruin your finances and your reputation.

Two Panacea engineers have been made practically homeless :

Energy Suppression

When anyone gets OU from ANY device, they should probably keep their cash under their beds.

I'm not being light-hearted.

Hello qvision, I am restating a post from the past on this thread:

JUST MAKE IT TRULY OPEN SOURCE, just like UFOPOLITICS and stop looking for funds.

Here is here advice from the Dr Tom Bearden

Keep away from the investors and don't talk to strangers on the phone

Lt. Col. Tom Bearden - Open Source Energy Network - (Full Version) - YouTube

This has been REMOVED from YT. WHY ???? WHY ???? WHY ????

I will repost for you else where and you can download and watch in particular time 20:00 ... on. If you want please download as soon as possible.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/s8j8rxcoj9r235j/Lt.%20Col.%20Tom%20Bearden%20-%20Open%20Source%20Energy%20Network%20-%20%28Full%20Ver%29.mp4

I will remove this video soon too.


warmest regards

lightworker1

[Ufopolitics]

Hello Smitev and Welcome!