Tesla Stinging Impulse Rays

[mikrovolt]

In discussing Tesla stinging that happened only when power to Edison's generators was turned on
the later with quenched spark gaps with various coil schemes including funnel shaped coil.
Some successful drivers are both tube and semiconductor types.

The sine wave is a good place to start. The wave shaping should be done in stages stepping up and filtering.
The asymptotic elliptical as a goal with minimal negative. The final amp to the final compression stage would be ideal
however the ugly wave barely resembling the ideal is getting good results on stinging wave
from at least 6 different methods. I recall the cool blue incandescent light that attracts copper strip being
thermodynamically strange has not been reproduced that I am aware of.

The dielectric itself has no effect on the polarization of the electrostatic field outside capacitors boundary.
the conductors do and there are advantages of keeping the magnetic at one end of the dipole.
A design consideration using coax is what configuration gives the field geometry that you need.
It is not like building an ion thruster where the ions are accelerated by passing thru electrified grids.

I am reminded of the cloud chamber for seeing cosmic trails. The right combination of
these waves when tuned may increase or change the direction of these trails.
My guess is conventional waves are not as effective. The ground side or reflection should not be ignored.
Theoretically if you get an increase in the cloud trails or even a change in direction then there is a basis
for improving the design.

[OrionLightShip]

I would speculate that a unidirectional disruptive discharge within the primary circuit may result in a similar unidirectional discharge result with the secondary? How to achieve the unidirectional disruptive discharge is the question? With normal spark gaps there are always oscillations.

Then there is the question....are alternations a different entity from oscillations and I'm thinking maybe so....for that reason I am not hopeful of using diode methods.

There are two things I can think of......

picture a spark gap.....

now on one or both sides you could connect several high voltage coax cables...hard lines even......

the reflection from an open end or closed end coax could extinguish the arc in a nanosecond thus allowing one and only one unidirectional pulse to pass through the gap at time and provided the correct amount of source input would create the staccato discharge sequence also talked about.

The other method involves the formula (not in front of me, I'm sure you know it) which allows for a non-oscillating capacitive discharge. The formula variables are simply the capacitance, inductance, and resistance.....which when you think about, is exactly what Tesla was said to have done..... control the variables whereby there were no alternations allowed.

So what if you had an oudin coil....take even a car ignition coil and using that formula and looking at the discharge on a scope....eliminate all alternations and simply discharge a cap through the primary....wouldn't that cause the secondary discharge to be unidirectional? I don't know, however, how much detrimental effect the stray capacitance of the secondary would have.


So the part of your quote that I included here....is right on target with the above method!


I think I like the chances of the coax reflected quenching the best and I think RG8 is like 10,000 volt cable..... might be something to try.




Orion

[Sputins]

It would be nice to get back on topic here and actually produce an effect!

I recently re-read Le Bon's "Evolution of Matter". There is a chapter where he discusses the effects of an Oudin Coil whereby he projects effluvia through a .5 mm thickness of glass. He has a drawing and an actual photograph of this phenomena. He notes that the ions are positive.

Here's the rub. In normal operation of the Oudin coil; it is energized by connection to, and is tuned to resonate with the D'Arsonval apparatus which creates oscillating rf currents.

Blasting ions through glass is not really a shocker as the semiconductor industry uses a similiar high voltage acceleration process for ion implantation, the depth of implantation being proportional to voltage/velocity.

My question is how did Le Bon operate the Oudin Coil to create a positive only discharge? Can this same process be used to create a unidirectional impulse used by Tesla? Can you positively bias a Tesla or Oudin coil to produce positive only discharges?


Orion

[OrionLightShip]

From Le Bon's "Evolution of Forces"


"I should then have tried to produce extremely intense electric fields, such as we can obtain with divers instruments -- the Oudin resonator notably. When this apparatus works with a coil having a 60 cm spark, all the metallic objects in a room 10 meters long are charged by induction to such a high degree that they spontaneously emit thousands of sparks. They once produced in my presence, at a distance of several meters, short-circuits in a switch-board containing voltmeters and ammeters, etc, connected by wires with a double coating of insulating material. In the result, these short circuits caused the wires to melt, and the experiment had to be immediately stopped for fear of fire."

Doesn't sound like any type of high voltage discharge I've ever heard about except for the Tesla Unidirectional Impulse. I have to say that I have been very skeptical of the whole thing, having been put off by the writings and interpretations of Vassilatos.

However, after finding this paragraph from Le Bon today, has me thinking that this phenomena is very real.

[OrionLightShip]

Space is not 3 dimensional. There is only one dimension of Space. Space = Space, a sphere if you will. The 3 dimensions you speak of are only co-ordinates in or of, the one dimension of Space.

With all of this theoretical talk, how does this directly relate to the topic of the thread, Tesla's Stinging Waves?

How do you suppose these stinging waves can be achieved practically on the work bench or Lab?

It would be nice to get back on topic here and actually produce an effect!

I recently re-read Le Bon's "Evolution of Matter". There is a chapter where he discusses the effects of an Oudin Coil whereby he projects effluvia through a .5 mm thickness of glass. He has a drawing and an actual photograph of this phenomena. He notes that the ions are positive.

Here's the rub. In normal operation of the Oudin coil; it is energized by connection to, and is tuned to resonate with the D'Arsonval apparatus which creates oscillating rf currents.

Blasting ions through glass is not really a shocker as the semiconductor industry uses a similiar high voltage acceleration process for ion implantation, the depth of implantation being proportional to voltage/velocity.

My question is how did Le Bon operate the Oudin Coil to create a positive only discharge? Can this same process be used to create a unidirectional impulse used by Tesla? Can you positively bias a Tesla or Oudin coil to produce positive only discharges?


Orion

[thx1138]

Great work thx1138!

a few notes:
...I would stick my head into that coil and I was not hurt; but, I would not do it now. (pre-hearing interview 1916)

That's the one I was thinking of. Thanks.

In Colorado Springs Tesla did do some experiments with balloons. You can find a lot of communication with George Scherff about these balloons during the first few months Tesla spent in CS. But no explanation of these experiments nor of the purpose of these.

It's in the patent. He originally was thinking of 15 miles altitude but realized that was too hard so settled on the 30,000 feet that is in the patent.
SYSTEM OF TRANSMISSION OF ELECTRICAL ENERGY

That was about standing waves in the Earth and had nothing to do with balloons...
This discovery meant that is was possible to send electric power all over the world without (much) losses. So Tesla became aware of this at that specific day. Not after he returned.

He witnessed the lightning on the night of July3-4 and put the notes under the 4th. The very next day, July 5, he has another entry about the balloons. It's hard to say when he abandoned the balloon idea but he definitely did. A couple of things are attractive for transmitting at altitude - it's both lower pressure and less dense air, and its cold up there, -30F around 32,000 feet is what I saw on the seatback display of the outside conditions when I was on a flight. I had taken Tesla's Colorado Springs Notes with me for reading material and the light bulb went off. It's probably a good thing he didn't try the balloons because that's also about the height where the jet stream starts but the jet stream was unknown at the time except by one man in Japan who was studying it.

There is, in modern science, more reason for nuclei to be unstable than to be stable. Why would two protons stick close together? Doesn't their electric charge repel?

Exactly. Why would they be together in the first place if they are repelling each other and what, exactly, causes the emission of a particle? What is it that occurs to cause a particle to be ejected from a radioactive material? Every effect must have a cause so what is the cause of natural, ongoing radioactive decay of a material that is still buried in the ground? At any rate, Tesla believed it.

[thx1138]

Hi, THX... I realise that you don't want to consider any others words about Tesla except his own, but I found a lot of overlapping and related work with Thomas Henry Moray and his work with radioactive power, healing, and communications devices.

Please have a read through here:
Endless Light - Dr. Thomas Henry Moray

and this seem to overlap to Tesla's reports:

I agree completely. I read Endless Light several times. I didn't get into it here because I didn't want to get sidetracked and this thread was about "Tesla's stinging rays". I remember reading on someone's site that Moray's "valves" (vacuum tubes) contained radio active material which makes perfect sense. It may also be the reason he was being harassed in the 1950's - federal agencies were very nervous about radioactive materials once the atom bombs had been detonated and it was proven radioactive materials could be weaponized. That's just conjecture on my part. I didn't find anything to back that up. On the other hand, that was also the start of the cold war with the USSR.

I also think that concern about radioactive materials might have had something to do with Tesla's papers being confiscated at his death. The Manhattan Project was started in 1939, Tesla died in 1943 in the middle of WWII, and the atom bombs were detonated in Japan in 1945. Tesla had spoken openly about "death rays" and such, so the government would surely be worried about what was in his papers and wouldn't want enemies to obtain them. At the same time they wouldn't want to draw attention to his work because it was before the bombs were detonated.

I really like his friend Samuel Clemens' comment, "There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact." I certainly do my part along those lines.

[Ernst]

Great work thx1138!

a few notes:

A common experiment, for instance, in my laboratory on Houston Street, was to pass through a coil energy at a rate of several thousand horsepower, put a piece of thick tinfoil on a stick, and approach it to that coil. The tinfoil would melt, and would not only melt, but while it was still in that form, it would be evaporated and the wholeprocess took place in so small an interval of time that it was like a cannon shot. Instantly I put it there, there was an explosion. That was a striking experiment. It simply showed the power of the condenser, and at that time I was so reckless that in order to demonstrate to my visitors that my theories were correct, I would stick my head into that coil and I was not hurt; but, I would not do it now.

(pre-hearing interview 1916)

Mercury arc rectifiers (also known as Cooper-Hewitt or Hewittic rectifiers) were extensively used to provide DC in high power applications, powers ranging from kilowatts up to a few megawatts, at voltages ranging from 110V to 30KV. Their operation is based on the discovery that an arc between a pool of mercury and a metal anode only allows current to pass in one direction.

I think that is not true. It is an effect between a metal cathode (Hg is used because it is liquid, so its shape is maintained) and a carbon anode. Carbon does not easily emit electrons, but metals do.

In Colorado Springs Tesla did do some experiments with balloons. You can find a lot of communication with George Scherff about these balloons during the first few months Tesla spent in CS. But no explanation of these experiments nor of the purpose of these.

While his work there was generally about wireless transmission of power through the atmosphere between balloons maintained at altitudes of 30,000 feet, he witnessed thunderstorms and their attendant lightning on July 4, 1899 that made an impression on him. The entry in his notes about the experience ends with the note

That was about standing waves in the Earth and had nothing to do with balloons...
This discovery meant that is was possible to send electric power all over the world without (much) losses. So Tesla became aware of this at that specific day. Not after he returned.

There is, in modern science, more reason for nuclei to be unstable than to be stable. Why would two protons stick close together? Doesn't their electric charge repel?

Note that he does not say when he did this! Could be any time before 1932...

Very refreshing to see such good Tesla research!


Ernst.

[kenssurplus]

T.H, Moray's work with Tesla, radioactivity

Hi, THX... I realise that you don't want to consider any others words about Tesla except his own, but I found a lot of overlapping and related work with Thomas Henry Moray and his work with radioactive power, healing, and communications devices.

Please have a read through here:
Endless Light - Dr. Thomas Henry Moray

Once, while demonstrating the device before a group of electrical engineers, a sudden sustained dark blue spark of some eight inches length was observed. When the engineers saw this, they were truly amazed, as the spark discharged from one of the output leads into midair. The incoming energy had actually momentarily exceeded the sustaining ability of the receiver. Obviously, this energy was coming in "from the outside". It was later found that this blue "spark energy" was a current, which could penetrate several solid plates of glass.

and this seem to overlap to Tesla's reports:

Currents from the receiver produced strange optical phenomena. Photography became very difficult when using the light from lamps lit by the receiver's output. Large dark spots blacked out most of the photographic detail immediately over the lamps, while the surrounding dark spot boundary gave a sharp clarity. This clarity was a visible effect, persons noting the stark details, which these lamps conferred throughout their surroundings. In addition, these dark spots had defined diameters, extending beyond the lamps perhaps only half a foot.

The dark spot phenomenon was anomalous because the actual light radiated by the lamps photographically extended beyond the dark spot. Rooms photographed by these lamps were awash in foggy gray regions, which seemed to hover in mid-air near people. While the fogging effects were captured on film, no such phenomena could be visibly detected. Fogging could be explained if invisible ground-sourced arcs were discharging from the device into the open air surrounding the receiver. Careful examination reveals that this is so.

The dark spot, which surrounds the receiver, is a "brush like" discharge of a very special energy. It extends in a confined perimeter surrounding the receiver. The ground connection seems implicated in this process, identical radiant black discharges having been observed in grounded radionic tuners. Dr. Moray understood that his energetic "waves" were incredibly small impulses of enormous power. Was the earth capable of receiving, sustaining, and vibrating back such gamma ray impulses? Was the earth the absorbent medium, his mineral being the converter? New theoretical analysis was demanded by these penetrating questions.

[thx1138]

Part 6 of 6

In a New York Times article published on July 11, 1937 titled “Sending of Messages to Planets Predicted by Dr. Tesla On Birthday" is the following statement: “Reports of discoveries by which it will be possible to communicate with the planets and to produce radium in unlimited quantity for $1 a pound11 Feb 1935 - PRICE OF RADIUM. BIG DROP EXPECTED. Developing C...Google Answers: Cost of household items in 1935? - What Things Cost in 1935

Again, why would Tesla care about the cost of radium? Consider the possibility that Tesla developed what we know today as a radioisotope battery. It is called a battery but is not what we normally think of as a battery that would be used in a car because once assembled they can supply power for up to 40 years. So they are a primary battery (non-rechargeable) but with a very, very long life. I propose that Tesla’s 1931 Pierce-Arrow was powered by such a device. And the statement that it could power a home when not in use for transportation fits this idea also.

On page 13 of the PDF document at the following link is shown a diagram of an early 1950’s radioisotope battery. It is, essentially, a Tesla radiant energy collector. The source is Sr-90 which would take the place of the Roentgen or Lenard tube in his patent, the dielectric is the insulation around the elevated plate, and the collector is the elevated plate. The page states the voltage is high – 7kV.
http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~blanc...chardKorea.pdf - Radioisotope batteries

It is necessary here, again, to understand history. There were absolutely no government controls whatsoever on radioactive materials until after it was proven that they could be weaponized by the use of atomic bombs in Japan. It wasn’t until the 1950’s that governments started imposing controls. So in the 1932 to 1937 time frame there would be no government involvement or prohibition against using radioactive materials in an energy generator.
http://www.orau.org/ptp/PTP%20Librar.../ramreview.pdf - Radioactive Material Regulations History

Radioisotope batteries are in use today. The two Voyager spacecraft which are just now exiting the solar system into interstellar space use a variation known as a radioisotope thermoelectric generator for both power and heat. Its primary output is heat and thermocouples convert some of the heat to electricity. Their distance from the sun makes solar arrays useless and service is out of the question. They were launched in 1977 and are expected to have enough power to transmit data through 2020 and possibly 2025. Radioisotope batteries were also used in the Pioneer 10, Pioneer 11, Galileo, Ulysses, Cassini, New Horizons and the Mars Science Laboratory. RTGs were used to power the two Viking landers and for the scientific experiments left on the moon by the crews of Apollo 12 through 17.
Radioisotope thermoelectric generator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/flash_html.html
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/08/26/us...r-battery.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_battery

The powers that be have created an aversion to anything related to “radiation”. Yet today we are exposed to radiation on a daily basis: natural background radiation; medical X-rays; some smoke detectors use Americium; elevated radiation exposure at high altitudes while flying; non-electrically powered emergency lights in stairwells of buildings, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americium - Smoke detectors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magneto...amic_generator
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritium_illumination Tritium
http://depletedcranium.com/my-attemp...um-key-chains/ - Modern regulations nightmare

In fact, the antipathy toward any form of radiation is not well founded for low level radiation. The radiation exposure guidelines that are in place today were developed from the effects seen after atomic bombs were detonated in a linear fashion. There is, however, a known threshold under which no ill effects occur but the exposure guidelines ignore this threshold. It was known at the time the standards were developed but it was ignored: ‘The first of Calabrese's recent articles is a straightforward history of the LNT [linear no threshold] model for ionizing radiation mutation, a concept accepted by radiation geneticists in the 1950s and recommended by national and international advisory committees for risk assessment and human exposure guidelines and later generalized to chemical carcinogens ever since. It is now used by public health and regulatory agencies worldwide, he notes.

In the second of the two articles, Calabrese repeats his earlier accusations that the distinguished radiation geneticist Hermann Muller, in his acceptance speech for the 1946 Nobel Prize, "made deceptive statements" intended to "promote the acceptance of the linear dose-response model for risk assessment for ionizing radiation" and that Muller's advocacy agenda was "masked" by long-time colleague Curt Stern. Their actions affected "key publications in the mutation literature," enhancing acceptance of the linear dose-response and hiding "Muller's deceptions," Calabrese adds.’
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0813201434.htm - NAS misleads the world

If you have an old TV, computer monitor, or oscilloscope that uses a CRT you already have a cathode ray radiant energy device.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02...lowrings_mugs/ - Tritium radiant energy device for sale

http://www.unitednuclear.com/ - Nuclear materials for sale

[thx1138]

Wardenclyffe Tower - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaTesla Patent 1,061,142 - Fluid PropulsionTesla Patent 1,266,175 - Lightning-Protector - Lightning Protector patent
"The Tesla Collection" - "Tesla Has New Pointless Lightning Rod". ELECTRICAL EXPERIMENTER, October 1, 1918radium is not a generator but a transformer of energy, the emanations being caused by cosmic rays of immense power capable of penetrating all obstacles however thick.Popular Science Archive | Popular Sciencesmall particles, each carrying so small a charge that we are justified in calling them neutrons.it will not require devices for storing energy as would be necessary with devices using wind, tide or sunlight.

[thx1138]

Part 4 of 6

In 1896 Henri Becquerel discovered that uranium salts emitted rays that resembled the cathode rays discovered by Roentgen in 1895 in their penetrating power. He demonstrated that this radiation did not depend on an external source of energy but seemed to arise spontaneously from uranium itself.
Henri Becquerel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - Henri Becquerel

So here we have a natural source of radiating particles carrying an electrical charge that does not require an artificially generated stimulation to cause the emission of the charged particleMarie Curie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaErnest Rutherford - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJames Chadwick - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaTesla Said, Compiled by John Ratzlaffhttp://teslacollection.com/

[thx1138]

Part 3 of 6

Nikola Tesla filed his application for patent titled Apparatus for the Utilization of Radiant Energy on March 21, 1901 and the patent was granted November 5, 1901 under patent number 685,957. Some quotes from that patent are instructive regarding radiant energy. Highlights are added by me.
Tesla Patent 685,957 - Apparatus for the Utilization of Radiant EnergyIt is well known that certain radiationssources of such radiant energy throw off with great velocity minute particles of matter that are strongly electrifiedafter a suitable time intervalelectrical energy is generally supplied at a very slow ratethe amount of energy conveyed to it per unit of time is under otherwise identical conditions proportionate to the area exposedamalgamatedTheir operation is based on the discovery that an arc between a pool of mercury and a metal anode only allows current to pass in one direction.Mercury Arc Rectifiers - Mercury Arc Rectifiers
Tesla Patent 609,245 - Electrical Circuit Controller - Controller
Tesla Patent 609,246 - Electric Circuit Controller - Controller
Tesla Patent 609,248 - Electric Circuit Controller - Controller
http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-...q=bWVyY3VyeQ== - Controller
http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-...q=bWVyY3VyeQ== - Controller
http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-...q=bWVyY3VyeQ== - Controller
http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-...q=bWVyY3VyeQ==shows a modified form of apparatus used in connection with an artificial source of radiant energythe source S of radiant energy is a special form of Roentgen tube devised by me, having one terminal k, generally of aluminum, in the form of half a sphere, with a plain polished surface on the front side, from which the streams are thrown off. It may be excited by attaching it to one of the terminals of any generator of sufficiently high electromotive forceThe rays or radiations which are to be utilized for the operation of the apparatus above described in general terms may be derived from a natural source, as the sunhttp://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-...q=Njg1LDk1OA==http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-...q=NjQ1LDU3Ng== - 30,000 feet
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/te...oradonotes.htmhttp://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-...q=MTI2NjE3NQ==

[thx1138]

On Roentgen Rays from Electrical Review, March 11th, 1896Tesla?s Latest Roentgen Ray Investigations from Electrical Review, April 22nd, 1896 - More Roentgen Rays

Referring again to the stinging rays, Tesla warns about problems of being exposed to cathode rays. He describes various discomforts encountered when experimenting with cathode rays at high power including tingling sensations and burns on flesh in his article in Electrical Review of May 5, 1897 titled On Hurtful Actions of Lenard and Roentgen Tubes. This is critical information for anyone experimenting with radiant energy.
On Hurtful Actions of Lenard and Roentgen Tubes from Electrical Review, May 5th, 1897

[thx1138]

Part 1 of 6

From "The Free Energy secrets of cold electricity" Peter Lindemann (page 27) -Tesla searched the literature to find references to this radiant energy but he could not find much...........No such reference was found, except in the surreptitious observations of two experimenters.

I haven't read Lindemann's book but if he actually said this he is either a very poor researcher, a fraud, or a misinformation agent. The latter derived from the fact that I noticed in some of the following posts people were led off to looking at other works that may or may not relate to radiant energy.

The following is from a lecture delivered by Tesla before the Institution of Electrical Engineers in London during February of 1892 titled Experiments with Alternate Currents of High Potential and High Frequency.

https://archive.org/stream/experimen...e/n17/mode/2up - Experiments with Alternate Currents of High Potential and High Frequency

What is this book? On radiant matter by Sir William Crookes. Tesla attended various schools from 1870 to 1880 so it was probably 1880 that he read the book, the lecture which it contains being presented August 22, 1879.
http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-timeline-1856-birth-of-tesla - Tesla timeline

In On radiant matter by Sir William Crookes he references an even earlier lecture by Michael Faraday on radiant matter given in 1816.
https://archive.org/details/OnRadiantMatterhttps://archive.org/details/lifelettersoffar01joneuoftCrookes radiometer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - Crookes Radiometer

Today it is accepted that the vanes in the Crookes Radiometer turn due to heat rather than radiation rays impacting the vanes. That is of little importance to this chronology because at the time it was thought that the motion was caused by radiant matter.

Further experiments led to Crookes developing the Crookes tube which is a modification of the earlier Geissler tube invented in 1857 by Heinrich Geissler which was the first gas-discharge lamp that caused fluorescence of matter in the bulb by electrification. We know them today as neon tubes. Crookes and others used modified versions of Geissler tubes to further study cathode rays.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geissler_tube - Geissler Tube
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crookes_tubehttp://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_priz...enard-bio.htmlhttp://www.aluminum.org/aluminum-adv...story-aluminum - History of aluminum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_furnace - Induction furnace

In 1895 Wilhelm Roentgen discovers the X-ray using modified Crookes and Lenard tubes, the X being taken from mathematics where it designates an unknown value, meaning an unknown cathode ray.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_R%C3%B6ntgen