Recieving Messages Through Time

[dmonarch]

I remember that the Perdu Uni carried out experiments on random noise generators to see if a human could alter the distribution of the generated noise. It turned out that a person could alter the distribution even after the numbers had been generated n years earlier as long as no one had seen the numbers generated.
This made me wonder if it might be possible to communicate this way. That is communicate with someone n hundred years ago by using a simple protocol. As long as the communication was kept to a minimum and was very discrete there might be the possibility. Its an interesting concept. Though n hundred years ago seems an infinity away really its more like next door neighbour.

[SL3]

Interesting [Part1]

Just stumbled upon this while searching for your Radiant Matter Thread. It's not really too clear here, but I'll pass you some notes from an exchange with a friend. We were corresponding on The Vacuum, bubbles, the spherical and cyclic nature of time, Eternity, Hindu perspectives, occult perspectives, alchemaic perspectives, ancient Egypt, etc.

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My buddy:
The Greeks regarded Thessaly and Thrace as the countries especially addicted to magic. The goddess Hecate, who was thought to preside over magical functions, was originally a foreign deity and was probably introduced into Greek mythology by Hesiod. She is not mentioned in the Iliad or Odyssey though magic was rife in Homeric times. The great mythical sorceress of the Odyssey is Circe, famous for the well-known trick of changing men into beasts (Od., X-XII). In later times the foremost magician was Medea, priestess of Hecate; but the gruesome tales told of her express the Greek horror for, as well as belief in, black magic. Curse formulae or magic spells against the lives of one's enemies seem to have found no mightier name than Hermes Chthonios. As earth-god he was a manifestation of the world-soul and controllednature's powers. In Egypt he was identified with Thoth, the god of hidden wisdom, became the keeper of magic secrets and gave his name to Trismegistic literature. THE OLD INDIAN EMPIRE INCLUDED EGYPT AND THE ENTIRE EAST AFRICAN COAST. IT RAN FROM THE BOSPORUS TO JAVA AND BALI AND NOTRTH ALL THE WAY INTO MODERN KAZAKHSTAN. IT WAS BIGGER THAN THE CHINESE, ROMAN AND GREEK EMPIRES COMBINED. 5000 YRARS AGO, A GREAT WAR WAS FOUGHT IN WHICH ALSO THE CELTS TOOK PART, AS WELL AS ALL THOSE COUNTRIES THAT WERE WITHIN WHAT I MENTIONED ABOVE. SEE MAHABHARATA.

Me:
Really? That's fascinating. I never even heard of it. Wow!

Friend:
Read that Mahabharata, fascinating book. 7 times larger than odyssey and iliad combined. 5000 pages in English translation. Full of magical lore and mystic performances. Culminates in this epic battle with 66million soldiers, atomic weapons and calculation of time from the atom.

Me:
...66?! Atomic weapons? Calculation of time from the atom? Now you do have me interested!

Friend:
YES MATE. LET ME QUOTE SOME

The material creation in its very first stage is called pradhana © the
eternal, subtle, undifferentiated sum total of all material elements, the
unmanifested eternal combination of the three modes of material nature. THIS IS OF COURSE NOT ABOUT THE CALCULATION OF TIME FROM THE ATOM. THAT WILL COME IN A SEPARATE ATTACHMENT NEXT TIME. I HAVE TO ACCESS THAT THROUGH PARALLELS DESKTOP ON MY MAC. THAT DOES NOT SEEM TO WORK TOO WELL, SO I SHALL DIG UP THE VEDABASE DISK.
Pradhana is sometimes also related to as saguna©Brahman, since it is
basically Brahman but with the presence of the three modes of material
nature. Nevertheless, these modes do not yet clearly manifest causes and
effects (SB 3.26.10). The pradhana contains the following 24 elements in a
dormant state:

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Ì© 5 subtle elements (sound, touch, form©color, taste)Þ UÞ
© 5 gross elements (ether, air, fire, water, earth)
© 5 knowledge aquiring senses (ears, skin, eyes, tongue, nose)
© 5 working senses (tongue©mouth, hands, legs, genital, anus)
© 4 internal, subtle senses (mind, intelligence, ego, contaminated
consciousness)

Time is considered to be the 25th element; it is the mixing and agitating
element. The Supreme Personality of Godhead can be perceived as time (SB
3.26.11©18)

Me:
...Whoa! I'm going to need to pause and chew slowly on this stuff awhile.

Friend:
PRETTY DEEP IS IT NOT?

The pradhana or saguna©Brahman becomes then agitated by the time factor
which represents the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Thus and by the
influence of the three modes of material nature the creation comes to the
level of mahat©tattva, or prakrti, where the elements actually can manifest
themselves. The mahat©tattva is the breeding source of all varieties and
brings forth all the different material bodies and material objects; it
contains all the universes and is the root of all cosmic manifestations. The
mahat©tattva is annihilated at the time of the annihilation, the end of
Brahma's life.

Next the Supreme Personality of Godhead impregnates the mahat©tattva with His internal potency which are the living entities. Agitated by the
destinations of the contitioned souls the material nature, or mahat©tattva,
delivers the cosmic intelligence (Hiranyamaya). The mahat©tattva is thus
"lit up" by the sum total of the consciousness of all the conditioned souls
(SB 3.26.19©20).

The Caturvyuha expansions of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, namely Sri Vasudeva, Sri Aniruddha, Sri Pradyumna and Sri Sankarsana occur and take charge of various aspects of the material creation.

In the beginning pure goodness, the vasudeva stage of consciousness,
pervails within the mahat©tattva . This point of creation is controlled by
Sri Vasudeva, the Superknower. Due to the pure goodness the consciousness
has the qualities of complete serenity, clarity and freedom from any
distraction; one is free from the infringement by material desires.
Therefore one can see a reflection of the Supreme Personality of Godhead and if one worships Sri Vasudeva one can come to the platform of pure goodnessÜj Ü (suddha©sattva), thus understanding the Supreme Personality of Godhead (SB
3.26.21).

Through the desire to enjoy and control seperately from Krsna, the misuse of
independence by the living entities which are impregnated into the material
nature, material ego or false ego is caused to spring up from the mahatªtattva in pure goodness. This false ego is endowed with acitve power of three kind © good (serene), passionate (active), ingorant (dull). From the
false ego in different modes of material nature mind, senses, elements as
well as all the other ingridients and objects of the material nature are
produced. Therefore every object within the material creation is seen as
identical with false ego since it has the false ego as its source. Sri
Sankarsana controls that false ego and in order to become free from it one
is adviced to worship Sri Sankarsana. He is worshipped through Lord Siva;
the snakes which cover the body of Lord Siva are representations of Sri
Sankarsna, and Lord Siva is always absorbed in meditation upon Sri
Sankarsana (SB 3.26.23©24).

From the false ego in goodness come the controlling demigods as well as the
mind. The mind has the quality of not being fixed; due to different kind of
desires for sense gratification the mind rejects something as bad and
accepts something else as good. The false ego in goodness is controlled by
Sri Aniruddha. If one wants to get free from mental disturbances, one has to
worship Sri Aniruddha. For this purpose, worship of the moon planet is also
recommended in the Vedic literature (SB 3.26.26©27).

From the false ego in passion intelligence, living energy (prana), the five
knowledge aquiring sense and the five working senses are created.
Intelligence has five qualities: doubt, misapprehension, correct
apprehension, memory and sleep. The function of intelligence is to ascertain
the nature of an object and thus help the senses to make choices. The
intelligence is supposed to control or gide the senses. By intelligence one
can understand how things are and if intelligence is properly applied one's
consciousness becomes expanded. This begins with doubt, the first quality of
intelligence. One doubts whether ones existence is spiritual or material.
Doubt is a very important factor in developping intelligence, eventhough
doubting is improper after receiving information from an authoritative
source. Through proper analysis one then finds that things are different
from what they seemed to be so far; thus misapprehension, the second quality of intelligence, is detected. Next, after elemanting the wrong understanding one can come to the proper conclusion; this is called correct apprehension, the third quality of intelligence. In this way by intelligence one can understands that one is not the body and one's consciousness becomes
expanded; expansion of consciousness culminates in pure Krsna©consciousness.

Beyond the intelligence's 3 qualities of doubt, misapprehension and correct
apprehension there are also the qualities of memory and sleep. In order to
keep the intelligence working properly one must sleep. For being fixed in
one's intelligence one has to worship Sri Pradyumna, who is reached through
the worship of Lord Brahma.

Directly related to intelligence in their function are the knowledge
aquiring senses which are: Ears, skin, eyes, nose and the tongue.
With the working senses action are performed; there are five working senses
as well: Tongue (mouth, speaking), hands, legs, genitals and the anus.Üj ÜŒ

[SL3]

Interesting [Part 2]

Both, the knowledge aquiring senses and the working senses are depending on the living energy (vital energy, prana), which is also created from the
false ego in the mode of passion. The more a person is influenced by the
mode of passion the more he can accomplish and aquire. The Vedic scriptures
recommand that if one wants to encourage a person in aquiring material
possessions, one should also encourage him in sex life. Thus one can see
that those who are addicted to sex life are also materially advanced. Sex
life or passionate life is the impetus for the material advancemant of
civilisation (SB 3.26.29).

From the false ego in ignorance the five subtle and gross elements, from
whom all (perceivable) objects within the material world are made, become
manifested; it is presided over by Sri Sankarsana. Therefore persons who are
very dull and very much absorbed in the gross material world worship Lord
Siva who is connected with Sri Sankarsana, in order to obtain gross material
sense objects. When the false ego in ignorance is agitated by the sex energy
of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, first the subtle element sound is
manifested. The original and very first sound within the creation is the
omkara, "OM", being the soundrepresentation of the Supreme Personlity's
Brahman aspect.

My notes inside his text in brackets:

From sound [WAVES] comes the gross element ether [WAVE STRUCTURE] as well as the sense of hearing. Sound [FREQUENCY] has the quality of conveying the idea of an object [CARRIER WAVE/ MODULATION];
therefore it is considered to be the subtle form of an object [MATTER HAVING THE ALTERNATE AND MORE SUBTLE FORM OF WAVES, YET ALSO THE SAME AND CLOSER TO THE ORIGIN...YES]. Further sound
indicates the presence of a speaker, eventually screened form our view, and
it also constitutes the subtle form of ether
PRETTY FAR OUT WHAT? (SB 3.26.32©33).

Ether has the qualities of accomodating the room for external and internal
existences of all living entities, the field of activity of the vital air,
the senses and the mind.

Ether means room or space, and it evolves from sound vibration. Thus form
the original sound vibration "om" the room was created within which the
manifestation of the gross elements like air, fire, water and earth (the
universe) can take place. In general the ether or sky gives accommodation to
the room which the various material bodies of the living entities need for
their external and internal existence. The internal existence of a living
entity in the material world comprises of vital air (prana), senses and the
mind. These ingridients require for their functioning subtle forms which are
invisible and rest within ether. In this way ehter accommodates the internal
existence of the living entities within the material world. With external
existence everything is meant that stands in relation with material objects
which are external to the material body. By means of sound vibration,
talking about a particular object, the subtle form of that object, which
sound carries, is created within the mind. These subtle and invisible forms
of material objects are given a room within the ether and this is called the
external activity of ether. That within ether subtle, invisible forms of
material sense objects can exist has been proven by modern science by
transmission of television where forms as pictures are transmitted from one
place to another by wireless means (SB 3.26.34). Thus it is seen that mental
acitivities or psychological action in terms of thinking, feeling and
willing are activities on the ethereal platform. This is very important in
relation to the moment of death. On the basis of its reflections (which are
influenced by sound vibrations) the mind generates desires for obtaining
various sense objects. In fact these desires are unlimited and they all
creat subtle forms within ether. An of course, they all result in variousÜj Ü
bodies in order to enjoy these desired situations (desiring a sense object
indirectly means desiring all the tools to enjoy it) which are accommodated
in their subtle form within ether as well. In this way one can, and in fact
by every minute's desires one actually does creat an unlimited number of
bodies within the ether, all well equipped to become manifested on the gross
level. At the moment when one particular body perishes the opportunity for
one of all the subtle forms kept within ether arises to become manifested on
the gross plane. This happens according to the level of contamination or
desire which was most prominent within the mind at the moment of death. All
this is described by Sri Krsna in the Bhagavad©gita (8.5©8).

From the above it becomes clear that the evolution of various material
elements is not something that takes place only once, at the moment of
creation. The description of the primary creation is rather a general scheme
by which matter is manifested in general, at the moment when creation starts
as well as at any stage of the existence of the material manifestation. The
difference is, however, that at the beginning of creation the sum total of
each element was taken from a dormant state, the pradhana, and made
available by the direction of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, whereas
later, when the living entities "create" while pursuing various desires they
simply receive supplies from that sum total of the material elements.

From ethereal existence, under the influence of time, the subtle element
touch and thence air and the sense of touch become manifested.
After creating subtle forms in the mind which are accommodated in the ether,
time seperates us from the manifestation of gross forms which we can touch.
By the influence of the mode of passion, which is related to air (movement),
we endeavour to manifest the form on the gross level. Our sense of
proprietorship over action (= passion) is due to the activity of air within
the material body. Consequently, we will "get in touch" with the gross form
of what now is a wishfull thought in the mind in due course of time.

THAT WILL KEEP YOU BUSY FOR A WHILE.

Me:
...Yes it will. Thank you very much! It's like reading an alchemaic explanation of the world and life. Many things you need to chew on in order to align with modern perspectives. I am puzzled, however, by the reference to wires and television. Is this quote from the ancient book and somehow prophetic?!

Friend:

THIS IS A QUOTE FROM THE ANCIENT BOOK, BUT WITH PURPORT BY ONE WHO LIVED THAT LIFE AND COULD EXPLAIN IN MODERN CONCEPTS. IN THE OLD DAYS THERE WAS CLAIRVOYANCE, WHERE THE GUYS COULD TELL THE WHOLE EVENTS THAT WERE HAPPENING IN SUCH A WAY THAT EVEN A BLIND MAN COULD HAVE THE VISION OF THE EVENT. BHAGAVAD-GITA IS SUCH AN ACCOUNT. SHALL SEND YOU A COPY OF MY GURU'S TRANSLATION IN ENGLISH AS PAYMENT FOR THOSE REMEDIES.

.....The above is from a correspondence that just sort of flowed among our chatter regarding remote healing. Various "voodoo" subjects. Even talk about how voodoo dolls and pins work. Telepathy, etc. Space, Time, Vacuum, Ether.

I post it because of your pondering on being able to communicate with the past. Man has certainly observed an ability to "see" into the present and future. An ability to affect events and people a world away in the present and even in the future. So why not in reverse? I don't believe you can affect events in the past. Maybe, but I look at it more like sailing off the edge of Flatland. Sort of a one way flow in this dimension we live in. I could be wrong. What do I know about it from experience? Nothing. Communication with spirits of the past dead? Sure. Communication with the spirit world which dwells in various levels of Eternity? Sure. Being able to communicate with people in the past through the spiritual? Sure. Why not? And I guess, that shoots holes in my thinking it impossible to change the past now that I have rambled more -- since, if you can communicate with one in the past through spirit -- then you can certainly change their behavior. If someone from the future appeared before me or were yapping to me, I'd probably hide under my desk and live all the more insane.

Among the view that Time and Space take on bubbles and "spherical" shape in hypergeometry, the argument we mutually agreed upon is that Time and Space are effectively still. There is no Time at the macroscopic level. All just Eternity. Thus, Yesterday, Today, and Tomorrow are all just one and the same thing. And so, your pondering would fit nicely in that view.

Okay. Off I go to read your thread when I can find it.

[dmonarch]

Interesting Stuff

Thanks for the reading SL3, very nice

[SL3]

You're welcome.

Happy you liked it. It's not my religion, but I'm always amazed how Hindu cosmology runs closest to our modern view of how the physical universe is really structured.

Been interesting reading your own notes on Chi. A lot of the spooky experiences you describe are fairly common in cases where Qi Gong has gone sour. Leads to madness. Sometimes dark spirit attacking you. Qi projection is for real, as you note. Problem tends to come for people in the sources from which they recharge it, but talk on that is opening up a whole can of religion worms. Talk is cheap anyhow. As an experiment, I have just said a prayer for you. Would be interesting to see if your problem there subsides.

[grace1]

Messages can take billions of years to be sent to a point of the Universe with a spaceship for exemple..If the message id sent through water been the receptable source the connection is intantly...the human body very capable of receiving messages from lightyears away from galaxies.Especially through sound. and water..

[SL3]

Thanks Grace.

Hi Grace,

Thank you for that. So where'd you get these thoughts? Got any web links or sources I can read? I've never considered that and it's interesting. Can you tell us more?

The water antenna issue I get. Makes sense. In fact, we could test that theory by making a transformer with a water core rather than steel. Just coils wrapped about a garden hose even! Pump signal into one water core antenna. Detect signal out the other at a distance. See how that compares in time over a conventional antenna. Would be interesting to see if a burst signal arrived at a distance instantaneous, sooner, or later than conventional radio. I dunno what the outcome would be, but faster than light? That would be interesting. Sounds crazy, but in my crazy head it is not so goofy; for I look at Time and Space as spherical and cyclic in the microscosmic and macro. It doesn't exist in my world. It's all the same Eternity and spacelessness we live in, depending upon your perspective. So, sure, I can see how instantaneous "radio" signal is possible.
In fact, if we are ever to have spacecraft that leave this solar system....we need that kind of interstellar communication capacity for Captain Kirk to phone home.


I even have voodoo physician buddies into a thing called long-distance Radiaesthesia. Sort of like poking pins in voodoo dollies. They swear by it, though I have not yet tested. They're credible people, so I keep an open mind, though a little skeptical still by nature. The possibility I find intriguing, and so we're going to test it. I have a little patch of grass out here that I'm going to have a buddy try making little crop circles in, basically, from half a world away. When I see that, I'll be a bigtime believer. You won't hear me talking about it, though. Too many terrorist implications; Too many fanatics out there would try to burn me at the stake as a witch!
But, if it works, it ain't witchcraft. Just science the world's cavemen don't like to consider and which nobody really talks about much. Too far off the deep end, you might say. Certainly makes my enemies think twice about ever messing with me when we can hit them no matter where they hide!

Sometimes I feel like that half mad doctor from the vampire movie. I forget which. The one with Wynona Ryder (sp?) as the target girl. Anthony Hopkins played the mad doctor chasing Dracula. I loved the part where he was talking about ghosts, goblins, vampires, bilocation, and all that....with that mad twinkle in his eyes and speaking of horrid things in front of ladies and dinner. I feel like that dude half the time, but it's fun! Any day now, you'll hear of me digging up corpses and driving stakes through their hearts.

[Empath]

With external existence everything is meant that stands in relation with material objects which are external to the material body. By means of sound vibration, talking about a particular object, the subtle form of that object, which sound carries, is created within the mind. These subtle and invisible forms of material objects are given a room within the ether and this is called the external activity of ether.

SL3,

VERY interesting post. Thank you for sharing this information.
Lots of stuff came up for me as I read it; here's one thought:

* By using sound vibration to create an object mind, the object has an external existence in the ether... I once had a "message from the past" concerning how obelisks and other megalithic structures were carved, transported, and used to build structures.

-- The ancients had a different relationship w/ matter than our current paradigm. They did not have the same kind of material objectivity that we have, in which objects exist as distinct and different from ourselves (material world view). The ancients perceived the rock as no different than themselves, thus they were able to use sound to manipulate both the form of the object and the ether in which it exists.

I quite clearly "saw" the ancient quarries with groups of workers led by priests in chants. The sound vibrations "spoke" to the energetic/crystalline structure (ether?) of the rock, expanding it, making the rock less dense, more malleable, easy to carve, and much lighter to carry and use to build.

I saw this chanting happening in groups or pods of artisans/laborers/priests, all sharing the collective intention to cumminicate with the rock and work with it in a collaborative effort. The priests led the chanting and could manipulate and direct the intentions.

I have no quotes to support the vision. It was just a spontaneous remote viewing kind of thing, triggered by some documentary on the history channel about how obelisks were erected. The voice/inner knowing kind of yelled "they just don't get it!" and then I had the viewing experience.

[SL3]

Hi Empath

Thanks for sharing your RV story there. I don't know if you've been hanging around with the techies on this forum, but I enjoy exchanging a lot with more right-brained folks as a fresh angle to things. Often, our egghead chatter bores people but talking of ghosts and goblins with anyone is half the fun of life.

I believe you. Seen strange stuff myself many times in life. Felt the hand of God many times, too. In fact, just two days ago, I almost died in a fire here started in my lab. I'll post a thread on that. Little miracle; One of too many to count in life; Too many and too crazy to even talk about. As for me, I get no hallucinations, visions, or anything like that. Hard to articulate but, for me, it's more like daydreaming (Which is about the best skill I ever acquired among years of boring school! ) Wouldn't call it "ESP"; for, if it were, the first thing I'd do is go raid some casinos while making some pretty cool Poker, Black Jack, and Roulette plays.

Sometimes Roulette really goes wild for me. A couple really wild times in life at Black Jack -- when I had horrible cards and everyone told me to stay while letting the dealer bust -- I'd hit. Kinda like Babe Ruth calling his shots, I'd pull out my four leaf clover, set it on the table, and say, "Okay. Hit me!" Against all odds, I'd get the high cards and dealer would bust each time. Got so bad the pit boss came over to sniff it out; Gave me the evil eye like maybe I was cheating or wearing devices. Hard to explain, but sometimes you just know when pointing to the outfield is just right. Other times you're bluffing, but pull off the acting so well that delusion becomes reality through almost a kind of Chi projected, I guess. I dunno. I haven't done that in awhile, but it was fun. Hasn't worked for me lately in casinos, but back when I had my youthful mojo and was more handsome...it sure did!

Oh, I've had Deja Vu at times. Once, back when I was an aircraft mechanic, I got a call from my boss saying there was a problem with one of my birds. Engine running rough. That gets you all nervous. Took that mindset with me to bed, I guess. Had a dream that night that I was working on that airplane. Saw myself opening her up and pulling out this part I'd never seen before. Next day, I got to the airport. Boss and I were troubleshooting. Nothing normal was coming up. I was in the clear, at least. Nothing my fault, but strange. We checked everything. I was a youngster mechanic and my boss an old-timer. Finally, he tells me to get in there and pull an oil screen (separate from the filters we normally cut open among inspection looking for metal). So, I'm wrenching it out and am looking at it in my hands while finding bearing metal all over it and it near floored me because I was living in the previous night's dream. Mentioned that to my boss and he looked at me funny, but, yeah, that's the truth of it. Just one time of many and many things. Some useful wanderings of the mind; Some life saving; Some fairly trivial; Some delightful; Some traumatic. Nothing more than that "Third Eye" the mystical world has always known, but it's also a scientist, engineer, pilot, and mechanic's strong eye; Ability to see things in your head. It's partly why we go mad among too much gazing into chalkboards as a different kind of oracle. Mostly just modern nerd oracles and magi, I guess.

I guess you could say I RV at times, too. Nothing controlled. Just sort of comes to me when I need it. Makes me a little flaky at times; for sometimes I'll go one direction and divert to another on "smell" alone. I move through life like a wandering dog peeing on fire hydrants or a mariner floating where the wind blows while trying to navigate some. Not a "free spirit", but just a comfortable kook really. That odd little extra sense we all have has saved my life many times; Given me an edge at others; Guided my path along wild adventures I'd never have chosen of my own doing; Pulled me through illness; Helped me cure the sickly better than many can do.

A couple times it's been really creepy -- just knowing people were about to die horribly, and later seeing that come true. Had a smell of "Death, Fire, Tragedy" to some neighbors once and later that's exactly how it went with them, though I didn't know or see any details; Nothing RV-like, just striking symbols; Things that hit you to the core. Decided to stay in school one day rather than accept a gig which later killed my boss and a mechanic pal on a fatal flight. That was a shocker. Was nearly killed by a big rig truck once, but had a feeling I should look over my shoulder and then hopped my car halfway onto the sidewalk just in time. Got a little beaten up, but not crushed. Any later and I'd be dead. Fire and explosion has failed to kill me a couple times. I have actually proven to be bullet proof on a couple occasions, but the first couple I dismissed as self delusion.

Strong guardian angels, mostly. God keeping me stuck in this world, though I could care less anymore. And I kinda know why and how my story ends decades from now. I'm not suicidal, but, if you live long enough and with old man ailments as a youngster, life or death is all the same stuff. Mere transition. Since a boy, I have even remembered a bit of who and what I was before living in this body. Not reincarnation, but just remembering my life as a preborn soul.

Sounds crazy, but my earliest memory is of God rumbling all of heaven in a kind of disturbed anger as a little boy was being born down below. None of the preborn souls wanted the gig. None of the angels wanted to guard him. It was clear he would live an interesting life that always walked a tight rope between salvation and eternal damnation, and often with great offense to God. Almost no chance of making Heaven someday was the overall impression, and that really pissed me off that everyone was so wussy. I remember this child clinging to me in fear. Don't know if it was a boy or girl, but it seemed like my child. None I've fathered yet. Was just looking at me like, "Daddy! Do something!" Across from me was this pretty girl I'd just always known and loved. Haven't met her yet, but she gave me this smile like she knew exactly what I was gonna do and gave me strength. Hard to explain, but I was kinda cowboy cocky. Next thing you know, I'm diving to earth with just all this exponentially building desperation, rage, and velocity to save my own life and soul. It's that aggressive and angry feeling -- mostly desperate struggle -- you get when having to fight for your own life.

And so my first vision, or dream, or understanding of my own soul was in flight. Flight like I have never seen in this world. Life as an eagle with powerful wings I've never enjoyed as a pilot. Just diving straight to your target enraged and too desperate to even be afraid. Hypersonic. It was like putting an SR-71 nose down in a dive and impacting my soul into this body like a meteor strike. With the sound of thunder, my life began....and I love telling that story! I like knowing that that's my name in Heaven. It translates to something like thunderbird. A long list of names, but mostly that of a cocky little soul who does dare go and does conquer where angels fear to tread. But, I also remember that Christ noted watching the Devil fall to earth like lightning; Like I did.

So, that half spooks me about living long; for, the longer a man lives, the more likely it is he will not have any soul left, and we move into a new century when men will start to bend even Time and grow in very wild powers of science. Meanwhile, I get the feeling that, since most the guardian angels wussed out, some of the bigger ones rotate looking after me, and that's why my life, course, and adventures have always been impossible. Nothing you can really convey in full without sounding like a liar or kook, so you just don't bother. Talk is cheesy anyhow.

That first memory of mine was also driven in all the harder when I later miraculously survived an accidental penetration of a thunderstorm in a Cessna 172RG with a buddy of mine. We were chasing weather to practice in and shoot instrument landings as young dummies. Got caught in the core. Tossed up from 4,000 to near 14,000 feet real fast. Ice building up. Just a hair away from the downdrafts where people on the ground see you fly in and come out in pieces, but it spit us out and then chased us all the way to the airport as we fled. When we landed, the wind sock was twirling everywhere. Heavy rain. Hail. Low level wind shear. When we landed and I jumped out to chain down the bird before the wind might blow her upside down, thunder and lightning struck without even much space between them. Hail hammered us. I arrogantly joked, "Look at that. Thunder and lightning strike when my feet touch earth. You may call me the thunder god! Oh, I'm sorry. That was your mother's name for me last night." Joke away the trembles you do, but it shook me that day like a warning from God and also a reminder of who and what I once was. Like that cloud -- same kind of storm that killed my boss and friend a year prior -- was made just for me as a message and lesson. God saying hello at a time when I was more of a scientist/ atheist/ agnostic. My stubborness and still in even believing -- despite repeated rescue -- seems often why heaven keeps up the effort.

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Part 2

But, all in all, I have never really seen any difference between the Past, Present, or Future. It's all the same stuff. Alive or dead, we are all still creatures of spirit, not flesh. What I once was and that mighty bird I wish to be again someday makes life down here rather boring. Some of things I have wrestled with in my dreams have been terrifying, but, at times, I have gazed into that other realm or walked in it. The colors and sights are more rich than any the human eyes can see. I often wish that I were an artist; for, if I could paint just once scene and blend all those colors, it would be a masterpiece. I have never seen more beautiful skies, sunsets, and hues to the sky than in my dreams, and, when you're there, you don't want to leave. And it is interesting to travel through space and time in a 20 minute cat nap here on earth; To wander centuries in a single dream. I would find myself insane if only for the oddity that my dreams didn't come true almost always. There are regular dreams that are nothing but the mind untangling in sleep, and then there are the other kind where the soul flies. That is real life. Down here is more of an infancy and proving ground; A place where we are measured.

Well anyhow, thanks for telling me about your dream there, and so I shared some of mine. I believe what you're saying. Oh, I know ghosts, goblins, and spirits are real. I am no atheist scientist. I was for a time as a rebel Catholic school kid, but atheism is illogical and more nuts than religion. Your sound notation there -- given to you by a sense of spirit -- actually sort of gives me a different angle of view to some things I was yapping about on the Stan Deyo thread. Leedskalnin, his "singing to stones", empty space matter and all that. I thank you for that perspective. It's better fitting into the jigsaw puzzle always brewing in my head.

What you convey regarding being instructed by spirits of the past is nothing unusual in history. The entire saint legacy of the Catholic church is filled with reports of apparitions. Visits of Mary. Various saints and angels dropping in. Spirits good, wandering bored, trying to be useful or whatever, and maelific do it all the time in history. In fact, there's an interesting chapter in Dr. Andrew Weil's book, Health and Healing, where he recounts a ghost story in South America. A story about this uneducated local man who was possessed by the spirit of a deceased, ancient doctor. The man worked medical miracles to the awe of observers and prescribed strange herbs that only a master physician of the olden days could know about. He even performed cataract surgery in the open air of the streets! Stuff like that. The world is filled with many wild and entertaining oddities of spirit while the atheist skeptic misses out on all the fun.

On two last notes before closing up here:

1) My father and I were talking for a few hours by phone today. He's a mathematician, but not at the level of my great grandfather. We were discussing his grandfather's work and some old papers I'm trying to dig up. My dad doesn't really understand these "Free Energy" issues -- energy draw from the Vacuum and all that. He gets it a bit and understands my interest, but the profoundness of our grandfather's work regarding hypergeometry and electromagnetic theory doesn't strike him the way it does me. We were talking about Space, Time, Geometry, and all that. I was talking about my voodoo physician pals and our "crop circle" experiment for my garden. A test of telepathy in eradication of weeds out here that my pal says he'll do.
I was talking about the Hindu cosmology perspective, and my dad reminded me of some higher level mathematics regarding Infinity and scales of Infinity. We talked of primes, integers, Fibonacci series, the nautilus, linear algebra, and the math perspective where you can have different amplitudes and facets of Infinity. Anyhow, that's something I wanted to note here in case I forget it for awhile. The other thing that oddly hit me today -- and I don't know why it didn't before -- is that I need to review more of my grandfather's work; for he outlined for us basically a different perspective on geometry of the universe and the ether's relationship to electromagnetic theory.

The Hypergeometric and Legendre Functions with Applications to Integral Equations of Potential Theory, Chester Snow (1942)

...The long nerd title is a little misleading. Between that and the complex math in it, one can almost completely overlook the significance of a more English translation of the title: Voltage and the Math of Its Multidimensional Relationship to the Universal Structure. Or rather, A Facet of Mathematics to the Ether; Partial Mathematics of the Vacuum. Stuff that may interest some of you who experiment, along with his other coil formulas.

2) Lastly, I'd have to pull it up among my notes if anyone is interested, but I did cross and print out an article once regarding an old missionary report of Tibetan monks banging on gongs in order to induce a boulder to levitate onto a cliffside. It's an on-line article. You might be able to Google it. Sound as frequency versus Electromagnetic and other forces as frequency is an interesting relation. Electromagnetic waves in the lower frequencies overlap with the audible bands. Sound arises from our eardrum sensitivity to waves of the air. Electromagnetics involves different waves and mediums, but the mathematics and music remain the same. The physics changes, but the math and hypergeometry are the same. At the core is always math, and at the core of math is always geometry. Singing, lasers, music, matter, life...nothing more than things that resonate with multispectral signatures. Anyhow, your dream there, Empath, sounds like a mixture of the mechanism behind the Hutchison Effect and what I suspect Ed Leedskalnin was doing.

"See" you around!