More there than Here

[dmonarch]

I am sure we all have this happen to us one time or another. We wake during the middle of the night only to find ourselves somewhere else. In some cases there are strong similarities in surroundings and in others very different.
Last night I had this occur to me however there was an unusuall component to which i have never had happen to me before. Instead of awaking as myself in another location I woke as the other person in this location. In this case I was a young child of maybe 8 who awoke in my location trying to shake it off and get back to his own.
All i can say was it was very disturbing. I sat for a good 5 minutes in this cross over state, myself and him just as confused as each other. I can see and feel everything as clear as day. The kids room and its location in the house. The huge living area with the roof which had sliding doors opening out onto a panaramic view. Everything seemed extra huge because well i was extra small.

Anyhow i just thought others my be interested in a little read, and well I wouldnt mind hearing back about your journeys.

[Kevin]

I have never had this happen to me.

I have a friend who could, at will, be wherever he wanted on the planet and observe what was going on. Unfortunately, after he got married and had some kids this ability was no longer at his disposal.

The closest I experience to what you describe:

All my life I have times where I have to remind myself who I am. I am Kevin, I am a human being, I am in this physical body, doing such and such right now.

It is not because I think I am someone else, or not human, it is because I am so lost in thought that I forget everything else...all connections to the physical realm and my personal ego.

It is a very strange feeling and sometimes can take quite an effort to "get all the way back."

Another way to describe would be a 99% bi-location, where the other location is one of thought.

[dmonarch]

At will

I wish i could do it to at will. It certainly would be fun. The part i dont like though is the lack of person. You forget who you are, where, and why you are. You are just this new born observer who is a little scared becuase of this sudden onset of altered location.
When ever it is happening to me it is like i am viewing with my frontal lobe and my eyes. Depending upon which one wins out is where i am predominantly.

[Kevin]

Hey dmonarch!

This post has 82 views, but no one else has contributed....hahahaha

They prolly think we are crazy!

I remember back a year or so ago when I shared with my dad what I posted above...he just looked at me, shaking is head and said something about being surprised and not fully understanding what I was talking about....I think he was a bit worried at first....but when I assured him that this was not a new thing, I remember experiencing it all the way back in elementary school, he seemed ok.

[Jamie]

Ok I'll take that bait and tell ya'll about a couple of weird things that happened to me.

One morning I woke up and opened up my eyes only to discover I was blind. I laid there in bed for a minute or so blinking furiously and making sure I was awake. Yes to awake, no to seeing. But then within a minute or so my sight just all of the sudden came back. Weird, huh?

Another time I couldn't sleep and was in bed meditating, hoping I'd lull myself to sleep. Finally after a couple of hours I gave up and sat up & opened my eyes and realized I could see very very well in the darkness. Everything was luminescent and sort of glowing a blue-ish color. I got up, walked around, could see in the darkest part of the house just fine, pinched myself to make sure I was really actually awake and Yep! I was! I thought "gee this is weird" and just went back to bed. LOL

[dmonarch]

Unbelievable but normal

Hi Kevin
Yeah i really do know what you mean. I have tried talking about some of the stuff that happens to me with my family and just get no where at all. Its just not in there sphere of comprehension. I still dont think that these kinds of occurances are unusual I just think humanities current state is so very out of balance that it has become unusual. I still get upset, sad and angry with the people that immediatly surround me. I know its not there fault or that they meen to be that way, it is just where they are. That said it dosnt make it any easier.
There is however this difference that is growing between those on the in and out. The gap dosnt seem to be getting smaller but larger. As time goes by the more and more i see and accept this.

[Kevin]

Ok I'll take that bait and tell ya'll about a couple of weird things that happened to me.

One morning I woke up and opened up my eyes only to discover I was blind. I laid there in bed for a minute or so blinking furiously and making sure I was awake. Yes to awake, no to seeing. But then within a minute or so my sight just all of the sudden came back. Weird, huh?

Another time I couldn't sleep and was in bed meditating, hoping I'd lull myself to sleep. Finally after a couple of hours I gave up and sat up & opened my eyes and realized I could see very very well in the darkness. Everything was luminescent and sort of glowing a blue-ish color. I got up, walked around, could see in the darkest part of the house just fine, pinched myself to make sure I was really actually awake and Yep! I was! I thought "gee this is weird" and just went back to bed. LOL

Wow!

I dunno that I would like to wake up blind...but those are some interesting experiences...night vision sounds really cool!

[dmonarch]

Suprised I bet

Night vision sounds awesome Jamie, I dont like the sounds of the blind part though.

Ok I'll take that bait and tell ya'll about a couple of weird things that happened to me.

One morning I woke up and opened up my eyes only to discover I was blind. I laid there in bed for a minute or so blinking furiously and making sure I was awake. Yes to awake, no to seeing. But then within a minute or so my sight just all of the sudden came back. Weird, huh?

Another time I couldn't sleep and was in bed meditating, hoping I'd lull myself to sleep. Finally after a couple of hours I gave up and sat up & opened my eyes and realized I could see very very well in the darkness. Everything was luminescent and sort of glowing a blue-ish color. I got up, walked around, could see in the darkest part of the house just fine, pinched myself to make sure I was really actually awake and Yep! I was! I thought "gee this is weird" and just went back to bed. LOL

[CitizenDC]

Anyhow i just thought others my be interested in a little read, and well I wouldnt mind hearing back about your journeys.

Hi dmonarch,

Thanks for sharing your experience.
I've had two 'journeys'. Both started with a dream where I was more of an observer then I took a more active role and followed with what I felt was a signal in my mind and me following it to its source.
I then found myself in another persons body. All awareness of my own body was gone. Only my consciousness remained.
The first time the person who I had arrived at/in was asleep, and I had little control of the body, I struggled to open the eyes to see where I was.
The second time the person I found myself to was awake, standing still in one spot looking straight ahead over a table in an entertainment room. I could not tell what this person was experiencing/thinking.
I didn't attempt to exert any control that time and decided to leave quickly after seeing where I was.

Both experiences felt like an adventure to me and since the second time (last Sunday) this happened, I've started searching for more information about it.

[the scientist in me would like to know...]
1. Can you share more about the process of how you end up in the other person’s body and how you returned back to your own?
2. Was it possible for you to communicate with this person?


Cheers

[dmonarch]

Excellent Stuff

Hi CitizenDC. Thats excellent stuff. What i have found is that these events can take on a number of natures all very similar but still different in experience. The event i describe in this thread for me was the type where it felt it was another dimension, another time. They tend to occur at there own liking and I would surmise are due to certain events coinciding to make it possible. That is maybe the two dimensions are closer somehow. I have never been able to communicate with anyone during these events. I can see but that is it, afterall i am looking through someone else. That said during that little period you do get allot of information, more than you normally would.
The second type of bilocation which is similar to what you describe is vibrational. Where the previous one is like entanglement either by mind or something this one is like your mind which is normal like a bunch of points all focused tight together have loosened up and spread out. So in essense you become less dense. This is the typical astral projection event. You first notice a vibration, you focus on the vibration and it becomes stronger and then pop your out, or sometimes it dosnt get past the vibration part and instead you just journey within yourself. So here there is the opportunity to astral project and journey around but as well to journey around in yourself. What happens is that they tend to get mixed up due to you trying to dictate what astral projections is like. That is lets say you have never astral projected, the vibrational event occurs, but you bring your beliefs into it and try to alter the experience of what astral projection is really like. The result is that you tend to lucid dream instead of astral project. Its a bit precarious. That dosnt occur all the time though, sometimes pop your just out and yeah you do try and use your normal body functions and senses to no avail and in most circumstances you tend to wake yourself up. You can use this type of thinging for viewing distant stuff as i have recently found out. The difficult part is becoming aware that you are viewing something. I say this because the concious mind is still in part like a point but the image is a bunch of spread out points and we are just not use to seeing stuff that way.
Synch is another variation which like wearing the other persons body for a suit. The first thing you notice during these events is the persons breathing as it is different from your own as well suprisingly you notice the size of the chest. Some woman have smaller chests when they breath and feels very differnt. To continue the synch you need to change your breathing to theres. The next thing you notice is that is that each person seems to have there own center. This seems to change though as I synched acidentally with a woman yesterday while laying on my bed and she was centered in her chest. later on that night i tryed to purposly synch with her and she was centered in her abdomen. The part that has the center also seems to have an amount of heat attached with it which i wouldnt have guessed either. All the time this is happening you feel like your in the persons body like a foot in a sock. I have only just recently started to be able to do this method so i am not sure really what is possible. I would surmise maybe if the person was asleep and i synched i might be able to take the person for a drive, but that is just a guess. I have never yet been able to do any such thing and as well that would be an invasion of privacy. I wish i could tell you more about this type as it is very interesting and something new for me. As for communicating with the person no. I think the issue is that the person who is the sock is not relaxed or asleep. Maybe then yeah.

Hope this helps some

Hi dmonarch,

Thanks for sharing your experience.
I've had two 'journeys'. Both started with a dream where I was more of an observer then I took a more active role and followed with what I felt was a signal in my mind and me following it to its source.
I then found myself in another persons body. All awareness of my own body was gone. Only my consciousness remained.
The first time the person who I had arrived at/in was asleep, and I had little control of the body, I struggled to open the eyes to see where I was.
The second time the person I found myself to was awake, standing still in one spot looking straight ahead over a table in an entertainment room. I could not tell what this person was experiencing/thinking.
I didn't attempt to exert any control that time and decided to leave quickly after seeing where I was.

Both experiences felt like an adventure to me and since the second time (last Sunday) this happened, I've started searching for more information about it.

[the scientist in me would like to know...]
1. Can you share more about the process of how you end up in the other person’s body and how you returned back to your own?
2. Was it possible for you to communicate with this person?


Cheers

[dmonarch]

Instructions

I was just trying to think of any advice or instructions on how to do it at will. This i think is the main dificulty with this kind of thing in that it is very difficult to describe an experience and how to experience.
All i can say is it takes no effort from you. It is not a thinking thing but instead a doing thing like walking or riding a bicycle. During these events you are not thinking how to do it, you are just doing it and enjoying the outcome. It is not an imagination thing after all that would make it internal. It can definitly be a recollection thing in that if you recall what it felt like the last time you did it, it can reoccur and often does. This is where books get confusing in that they mix experience and imagination. Just as when you recall what it was like in the previous experience to bring about the event again, some try and replace imagination for experience and recall, where by they say imagine what the experience is like even though never having had it. This might have worked in a simpler time when peoples conciousness wernt bombarded by rubish on a constant basis, however now it is very difficult because our concious mind is so far removed from what actually is that anything we try to conciously imagine will not come close to what is. I do think that if you were around people who do this kind of stuff allot that it would rub of on you so maybe that is a way of going about it.
A few things you have watch for is that you dont read too much into what you experience, dont take yourself or your importance seriously. Your just a little drop of water in a big puddle. Always be true to yourself. I decided a long time ago when i started on my journey that i wouldnt settle for self delusion. Dont put yourself up on a pedastill and dont be just another follower of some guru who says hes the one. Be your own compass, your own guru. Be true to yourself and to others even if punished for it.

[CitizenDC]

Hi dmonarch,

Hope this helps some

Very interesting. Thanks for the feedback.

I can relate to the vibrational dreams. I'm glad you mentioned it actually as I dont have much info on the subject.
For me they are sparked by looking at a person face while dreaming and becoming conscious/aware by seeing the face and their eyes in front of me.
This is usually a little uncomfortable for me and I respond emotionally which when sparked begins to resonate throughout my body and I get this lifting feeling. I dont really get to see anything in this state, though often I will have vivid dreams after the whole affair.
Once I relax, my emotion/vibration usually settle and I remain there for a bit before feeling myself return to where I lay.
This type of experience when it first occured years ago was nerve-racking due to some "fear of the unknown" problems.
This place seems to reflect anything I feel back at me highly amplified...so when you take a fear rating of lets say "oh sh*te" times fifty, it becomes a feeling much like that of imminent death .

These signal or maybe "synch" dreams are different to me from the vibrational dreams.
Firstly, I experience no resonance or vibration, also no feeling of moving or lifting.
Both times this type of dream happened I felt a signal and then proceeded to tune into it. The tuning in was similar to a person tuning into a radio station.
To me, this experience was very different and less intense than the vibrational type. It was more of a conscious choice to follow the signal or not.

It can definitly be a recollection thing in that if you recall what it felt like the last time you did it...

Aaah. I find that too. Recollecting/Re-experiencing of the feelings lay the foundation for it to happen again.

[dmonarch]

Strange Boundary

Hi CitizenDC it sounds like your heading in the right direction.
As time goes by the more more i realise that we live on this precarious balance of the observer and the observed. Sure this is not a new idea and has is as old as the hills. What i see as the difficulty though being that just as what is being observed is not static in nature so to is what's the observing. We all walk a fine balance between insanity and being the next jesus. Its just that we have no pure reference point. Nothing greater than ourselves that we can refer all else to including ourselves. I guess this where the god model came up, however that said the lack of intangability leads to produce difficulties in its own right. Its like how i mentioned the difference between imagination and recall. All we can do for the most part is imagine this greater something. As well dificulty arises in that every experience is in reference to every previous experience. This is basically why most people never change over there lifetime as the ability is generally not innate and has to be forced upon by an external entity. You and your imediate environment are tightly integrated into a self supportive system. It would have to be otherwise it would not exist
I guess this is where all the mystic traditions come in attempting to break things or build things up to there ultimate panacea as a reference for ones own growth and a compass through life.
I am not sure what i meant to be said but felt it needed to be said. I guess it comes down to not taking oneself to seriously, enjoying the ride, and not reading to much into things. When your hit on the toe with a hammer you shore know you have been hit on the toe and i would hope and like that internal growth events are just the same.