TRV training questions

[Ingram]

Hi Kevin, welcome back

Frankly I don't know how they do it! I'm at 9 minutes, a personal best for the initial S1 - S4 only because of some good advice. Yours will I believe help bring my time down even further (thank you! ). It's the aols & trying to discern data like "smell" that add just a bit of time to my S2 & S4 as well. Oddly, although I've been going slow in my practice to get the structure down, I've had ok results & the faster I go the worse they get. But I'm going to take it on faith and just go fast looking for the S6 data... oh yeah, the good stuff!!

Assuming one averages say 7 minutes per S1-S4, we are looking at 4+ movements prior to an S6 transition. So, Initial, top of target & then an optional position or two....

I know you have heard it a thousand times...but it is like riding a bike...in the beginning it seems daunting, but after enough practice you don't even have to think about it. It is ez.

Never hurts to hear it again, I need the positive input!


Yes, I meant the ideogram, how does four reinforce over three?

Apologies for my ignorance and many thanks for the guidance!

[Kevin]

Hi Kevin, welcome back

Frankly I don't know how they do it! I'm at 9 minutes, a personal best for the initial S1 - S4 only because of some good advice. Yours will I believe help bring my time down even further (thank you! ). It's the aols & trying to discern data like "smell" that add just a bit of time to my S2 & S4 as well. Oddly, although I've been going slow in my practice to get the structure down, I've had ok results & the faster I go the worse they get. But I'm going to take it on faith and just go fast looking for the S6 data... oh yeah, the good stuff!!

Assuming one averages say 7 minutes per S1-S4, we are looking at 4+ movements prior to an S6 transition. So, Initial, top of target & then an optional position or two....



Never hurts to hear it again, I need the positive input!


Yes, I meant the ideogram, how does four reinforce over three?

Apologies for my ignorance and many thanks for the guidance!

Hi Ingram,

9 minutes is good. You will get faster as you start doing more shorthand, etc.

Also, you really should get data for each of the S2 categories...BUT, you cannot allow yourself to get stuck at one of them...smell, taste and sound are always harder ones for me... If something for those categories does not immediately "come to mind" or "come out of your pen" just put a ------ and move to the next category....otherwise you will sit there and start to think, and that is the number one enemy of clean TRV data...thinking.

Well the initial movement of S1-S4 could be 7 minutes because you have the extra ideograms...but all subsequent movements have only one ideogram so they should be faster.

I always do the initial, then top of target, then center of target, then a break, and then other movements after the break.

3 ideograms is plenty....I just got in the habit of doing 4 as a safety precaution because I do not bilocate as easily as most people.

[Ingram]

I just completed an S6 on a practice target and was really getting some visceral reaction of fear and apprehension as the session went on. Of course my mind was trying to convince me it was one thing but the data tells the tale

The target was "origin of the aids virus" what does it look like to you?

[Kevin]

Looks like one of them test tube/beakers in a laboratory to me.

What word data did you get?


btw, congrats on progressing to the S6 stage of your training!!!

[Ingram]

Hi Kevin,

Thanks! I've been practicing through the S6 since the 9th of this month and man! It's labor intensive! I think I used up a good sized forest in the last couple of weeks

I'm creating kind of a timeline on my blog that outlines my progress.

Some of the S6 text data was:
Brown
black
dark
slimy
soft
wet
hard
slippery
musty
bitter
cool
echo

D:
enclosed
moving
undulating
under
inside

EI:
fear

AI:
apprehensive

T:
Life form
Liquid

[Kevin]

Ingram,

Did you get any s41/2 or S61/2 data that was interesting?

This is something I have never TRV'ed. I did see a lot of NON-TRV research on it back in the 80's or 90's. Just curious to see if TRV data matches what I saw back then.

Thanks,

Kevin

P.S. How do I view your blog?

[Kevin]

Hi Kevin,

Thanks! I've been practicing through the S6 since the 9th of this month and man! It's labor intensive! I think I used up a good sized forest in the last couple of weeks

I know what you mean! Lots of paper and lots of pens!!! I use the Pentel R206-A pen and if I am lucky I can get 4 sessions out of one pen....

oh, another little shortcut if you are not already doing it....always have a spare pen right next to your stack of paper so that if the one you are using gets trashed you do not have to interrupt the flow to get another.

S6 sessions can go 45-60 minutes...can do one, maybe two a day...that's it.

Have fun!

[Ingram]

I know what you mean! Lots of paper and lots of pens!

So that's not just me? I thought I had a bad bunch of pens that were short on ink With the paper, I tend to line out the previous data and use the back of the paper for the next session. I'm hoping it doesn't bleed through in the next session but I hate wasting it.

Frankly, I'm a little vague on the whole S4-1/2 & S 6-1/2 thing. I did get some phrases in the aol such as "trapped in a well" as my aol was steering me to a life form in a shaft/hole or cave in liquid so of course....aol = trapped in a well

I think you can just click on my profile and the blog will show for members if your logged in. It's mostly just a time line of trv progress & me whining about aols

[Kevin]

So that's not just me? I thought I had a bad bunch of pens that were short on ink With the paper, I tend to line out the previous data and use the back of the paper for the next session. I'm hoping it doesn't bleed through in the next session but I hate wasting it.

Frankly, I'm a little vague on the whole S4-1/2 & S 6-1/2 thing. I did get some phrases in the aol such as "trapped in a well" as my aol was steering me to a life form in a shaft/hole or cave in liquid so of course....aol = trapped in a well

I think you can just click on my profile and the blog will show for members if your logged in. It's mostly just a time line of trv progress & me whining about aols

Hey Ingram,

I remember complaining, with GREAT INTENSITY, to Joni and Dane about being plagued by AOL's. Their advice was just to work through it. It is your conscious mind battling for control of the session. Every time you quit a session early because of AOL (or what you think is AOL drive) it just strengthens your conscious minds belief that it can exert control in the session. Just power thru it. Does not matter if you hit the target or not, your are training/disciplining your mind. There will come a time that the conscious mind becomes much weaker (you will always have AOL's to some degree) while in session. When that happens then you will rarely fall into AOL drive. But to get there you just have to keep going (and drop or throw the pen down for EVERY AOL) so that it (the conscious mind) eventually learns that it is useless for it to try and control the session.

Dunno about using the same paper twice...hmmm. I would not do that.

S41/2's and S61/2's are just Intangibles that are more than one word. A concept or a descriptive phrase.


Below is an S4 Page

The circles were made after the session was over.

You see the page is pretty much phrases, no single word descriptors. They were either S41/2 or AOL/s

[Ingram]

Nice!
Thank you very much for the example and tutelage VERY much appreciated!

If what you say is true.... my conscious mind must be holding on hard It's all good though. I followed your advice in the am session today & just worked through them and will continue to do so in order to condition the mind.

I have worked through the whole trv package pretty quick so I'm really just trying to continuously pound the protocols in & that just takes time and practice. Although I have some pretty tasty targets in my trv sights (blind target pool) that I'm looking forward to working.

[Kevin]

Nice!
Thank you very much for the example and tutelage VERY much appreciated!

If what you say is true.... my conscious mind must be holding on hard It's all good though. I followed your advice in the am session today & just worked through them and will continue to do so in order to condition the mind.

I have worked through the whole trv package pretty quick so I'm really just trying to continuously pound the protocols in & that just takes time and practice. Although I have some pretty tasty targets in my trv sights (blind target pool) that I'm looking forward to working.

Yeah, it is a battle. I reckon it was about a year, of TRVing EVERY day, until my conscious mind finally lost the battle. I still will get pages where over half of what is on the page is AOL, but it does not bother me anymore.

It is one of those paradoxes, since I cared enough to learn not to care, I rarely go into AOL drive anymore.

Yep, it will be lots of fun when those personal targets start popping up in your blind pool.



P.S. I had a coach who always reminded me that 90% of winning is just showing up! Most people quit, those that don't, get the rewards!