the letter.

[angela]

Are you an affiliate, Frank? Because it was the affiliate through whom I signed up for PATHS that sent me the letter. Perhaps you would find my concern more significant if it was me you were making money from.

Such a cavalier attitude from someone who profits from PATHS strikes me as rather smoke-and-mirror-esque. Frankly, it pisses me off a little.

Why do affiliates have time to post even a few lines, but the principals remain silent? Listen, I'm in favor of PATHS, have received great results from it, and have said so, long and loud. If you are getting even MY goat, I can imagine what kind of effect this is having on people who are looking in to the possibility of buying PATHS.

[angela]

Et tu, Chansonette? I don't think you guys are looking at this from the point of view of an end-user. I find that disturbing.

[Frank Shimkus]

hello

angela

as i said, i do not care about the letter---i do care about something that gets you or anyone so upset..but why are you demanding a response from what you refer to as the principles? we affiliates have expressed our feelings...how can i help you?

Frank

[Chansonette]

Kevin, Aaron, and PATHS customer service

Hi Angela,

I truly hope that you'll find a way to feel better while you wait to see what Aaron and Kevin may post as a response to this attack. I know how distressing this is. But I was just in Vegas and saw first hand how hard they both worked (tirelessly and nonstop) to make that meeting a wild success. Aaron was there with his young family and I believe drove from Spokane, so in all likelihood he is on the road right now. Kevin is likely still enroute as well.

I can't (and won't) speak for either of them, but I'd encourage anybody who is feeling destabilized because of this attack and what appears to be their "silence" around it to remember that these two have just pulled off a major 3 day event and are traveling home exhausted (I know I was exhausted and all I had to do was show up )...AND each man is being viciously attacked by whomever it is that is circulating "The Letter." There's a human component to this that is easy to overlook in the heat of the moment when we're needing answers. When I put myself in Aaron's place and in Kevin's place, I think I'd need some time to regroup too before I decided how to respond.

Personally I am sending them all the love and light I can (and you too

love & hugs

c

[Jamie]

When I was in High School, one of my best friends was Muslim. Growing up in a conservative evangelical Christian home, I was constantly encouraged and "ordered" by my church that I needed to "Save" my friend. This was my duty and if I didn't do so, she would burn in hell for the rest of her life.

I never did "save" her. In the end, I realized I didn't need to. She had (and still has) a beautiful soul connection with God/Allah. The utterness of her being in the wrong seemed insurmountable and me being in the right absolute. It was all very black and white. Except it wasn't. Sure, it didn't fit into the paradigm that formed my world and it seemed WRONG and EVIL, but as I just spent time with her and got to know her personally, my world-view slowly shifted because of her light, her love, and her patience.

If you are wondering, questioning, not sure of where the truth lies, hearing two opposing sides arguing all day long will not answer your question. The answer lies in seeking out and building relationships with those whom you are trying to understand. Trust your intuition, it will guide you to the truth and it will serve you in your own spiritual journey. Back in high school, my intuition told me my Muslim friend was a wonderful person and I sincerely wanted to understand where she came from (and initially to save her from hell). I sought out her friendship and it opened up my world to more love and light and open-mindedness than I had had before.

[Frank Shimkus]

hello

jamie

i was once told to guard myself against "contempt prior to investigation..." it has helped me try to avoid the prejudices and flaws insidxe of me...i try to stop and listen befofre making a judgement..

your words touched me..thanks

Frank

www.paths-renewal.com: Program Authoring The Human Subconscious

[Jamie]

PS

PS

Angela, I just wanted you to know my response wasn't directed at you. I am merely responding to others who started this thread or those who may find this thread confusing at a later date.

I know it's been hectic for me getting back home and all that, and I was flying, not driving. I don't know how they intend to address the accusations or if even addressing them is the right thing to do. I know they do care about our concerns, but apart from stating the obvious - (that even you agree, I'm sure, given your results) that Paths is real and not fake, what more can they do? At some point it becomes a pissing match with each side calling the other a liar and that is unproductive.

I can say this - they are very wonderful and real people and after having spent time with them personally, I trust and respect them. I know that doesn't answer your concerns, but I hope that we all continue to forge relationships with each other and as time progresses, will continue to develop trust and respect with each other.

Please do know that in light of you having lost your direct affiliate that you purchased your modules from, you can feel free to come to any of us other affiliates and we would love to spend time getting to know you and you getting to know us.

[angela]

Frank -- I referred to "the principals" -- as in the principals of the company, PATHS, from whom I and others in my position (that is, non-affiliates, who did not have the benefit of experiencing your wonderful weekend retreat) would like to hear. But now that you mention it, there is some principle involved, as well. One of the principles of good business is prompt attention to customers who have become enmeshed it what appears to be turning into an impending lawsuit or criminal action against the company. You ask what you can do to help me -- well, since you are in a position of making money from this product, I request that you refrain from implying that these views (and possibly my impatience for a response from the principals) is "insignificant." That is, unless you'd like to propogate a view in the marketplace of affiliates as being mercenary.

Chansonette, thank you for your thoughtful response, my dear. I hadn't realized they were driving rather than flying. How old school. Still, as technically proficient as they both apparently are, and as potentially harmful as this attack is, I remain disappointed that they have not taken time out from the conference (or predeparture) to address this in some way larger than Aaron's post that he was tired and hadn't yet had a chance to read the letter. I'm thankful that that post, at least, was made.

I'd like you to know that a big part of my upset is that, although I'm very happy with my results with PATHS, I believe that my glowing posts on the pavlina forums were responsible for others becoming interested or signing up for PATHS. I have every intention of continuing with the product, but I want to take responsibility for I'm telling other people is a good thing -- and that's hard without the support of the people who are making it available.

To all of you affiliates: thanks for your realization that we end-users were NOT at your lovely conference, and that it might be important to consider that we haven't had the exposure to whatever talks, presentations, or interactions that have given you the unbridled confidence you have in PATHS.

thanks for reading.
Love,
Angela

[angela]

Jamie: got it, thanks.

I have no doubt about the generous size of you folks's hearts.

...and I see now that Kevin has posted his "WOW" post. My heart is calmed to hear what you said, and I am looking forward to your and Aaron's more in-depth response.

Love,
Angela

[Rin]

At some point it becomes a pissing match with each side calling the other a liar and that is unproductive.

Yay! "Pissing" gets through! (Sorry, sorry, carry on!)

[angela]

Rin, I find your potty mouth so endearing.

[Jamie]

Rin,

We'll have to start making up all our own new expletives that we can use here.

Love it!!!!

[Bren]

What the *** is This all about?

Sometimes I wonder if I just visit this planet for a few days at a time and then dissappear soon after back into the cosmos! I signed up for some Paths modules about 3 weeks ago, and this decision came from Inspiration that is deep within me. My Inspiration never misleads me. This brought me to Paths and also to the event in Vegas.

When I returned home today I got onto the forum (for the first time) to see if there were any posts from any of the Wonderful People I met at the Paths convention and nearly fell off my chair when I saw all this Stuff. I'ts no wonder I had pain in my belly the whole weekend! A lot of the posts were MY Resistance to change showing itself for me to see clearly. My belly ache dissappeared (thank you Grace) and so, apparently, has Donna (thank you for your gift Donna).

I could easily say that Paths hasn't been working for me or is even working in reverse ( my normally great sleping pattern took a nose dive, and I had a recurrance of pain memory from an old illness). However I am wise and smart and have been around a long time, flies continue to be unable to land on me, and I know a good thing when I see it. I trust my Inspiration and know that everything is as it should be. I Love this stuff! Everyone at the event were absolutely awesome, I really mean that - Awesome - I love you all.However I was a bit annoyed with Aaron last night because I started reading his book while sitting at the gate waiting for my plane, and guess what - I missed my F***ing plane! (Haha). Great book Aaron!

Bren

[allenm]

Angela,

Where is Kevin's "WOW" post?

[CeCee]

Kevin's WOW Post

Hi Allen,
Moxie here! I found Kevin's post in the forum - titled Good Afternoon.