Open minded skeptic?

[Kevin]

The phrase open minded skeptic is an oxymoron. Whoa!

I had never thought of that before...in fact, I probably considered myself an open minded skeptic until Aaron pointed out a few facts to me.

Before going any further, why even address this?

The reason is simple. PATHS, and many other things that ESM is involved in, challenge some peoples paradigms. This makes them uncomfortable. It is easier to be an open minded skeptic, than to be truly open minded. It is less challenging to ones comfort zone.

This is not a criticism of those who view themselves as open minded skeptics, it is simply understanding them for what they are.

Why is this important? Because, if you have used a revolutionary technology, like PATHS, and you have experienced first hand how it has improved your life, you will want to spread the good news.

That is when you encounter "open minded" skeptics that try to poke holes in the tires of your new car that you are enjoying.

You find yourself according them credibility (because they are "open minded") that then can take away from your joy and peace.

If you understand that an "open minded" skeptic is not really open minded, but just a skeptic dressed up to be open minded, then it will not bother you so much (or at all) because you see them for what they really are.

This is not to say that you hold anything against a skeptic, it is saying that as a conscientious human being you will not feel near the burden to try and help a skeptic understand something that they really don't want to understand. Whereas you will not feel the same frustration in expending the effort on a truly open minded person.

Maybe this is a simpler way to put it, with an open minded person you can pour water in a bucket and it will eventually fill up, with an "open minded" skeptic, you can pour water into that bucket until your arm falls off, it will never fill up because there is a hole in the bottom of the bucket.

So! What are the facts that Aaron shared with me?

1. Definition of an oxymoron-

a figure of speech by which a locution produces an incongruous, seemingly self-contradictory effect, as in “cruel kindness” or “to make haste slowly.”

Origin: 1650–60; < LL oxymorum < presumed Gk *oxýmōron, neut. of *oxýmōros sharp-dull, equiv. to oxý(s) sharp (see oxy-1) + mōrós dull (see moron)]

2. Definition of a skeptic-

1. a person who questions the validity or authenticity of something purporting to be factual.
2. a person who maintains a doubting attitude, as toward values, plans, statements, or the character of others.
3. a person who doubts the truth of a religion, esp. Christianity, or of important elements of it.
4. (initial capital letter) Philosophy.
a. a member of a philosophical school of ancient Greece, the earliest group of which consisted of Pyrrho and his followers, who maintained that real knowledge of things is impossible.
b. any later thinker who doubts or questions the possibility of real knowledge of any kind.

By definition one cannot be open minded and a skeptic simultaneously.

If one is open minded, then they do not have any preconceived ideas or conclusions about the matter that they are looking at.

However, if one is skeptical, they have a predisposition to doubt, therefore they cannot look objectively (open mindedly) at something and measure it without coloring it with their preconceived notions.

Therefore, one is either open minded or skeptical, but they cannot be both.

How does this help you?

1. Maybe you desire to be open minded, but have never realised that your skepticism prevents it.

2. Maybe your arm is tired of pouring water into a bucket and that bucket never filling up. Maybe you should quit wasting your time trying to help skeptical people understand what they have already decided they are never going to understand.

3. There are over 6 billion people in this world. I think most would agree that time is a precious commodity. That time might be better spent with people that are truly open minded. Those that are skeptical will either come around of their own accord, or they won't. Give your time to those who appreciate it.

[sterlingpg]

Bingo!

That time might be better spent with people that are truly open minded. Those that are skeptical will either come around of their own accord, or they won't. Give your time to those who appreciate it.

There is Great Wisdom in this statement!

*warning - strange, convoluted humour, unlikely to be all that humourous really, is to follow, and if you think I don't spell humour correctly - I'm a Canuck, so pfft! *

Its the 'shake the dust off your feet if your bread doesn't come back from the many waters' situation lol. (love to mix and screw up metaphors - and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt how intellectually inferior I am to the above-average edumacated human bean) (besides, who knows when I might actually come up with a NEW metaphor that totally kicks bum on the fragments that I screwed up? hmmm? that's right - i will hehe, erm, just not today, that is obvious even to me lol)

Seriously though...the law of attraction is always in effect, thus sharing with those who resonate with us, will bring more of those who resonate with us...resisting anyone, which includes trying to 'convince' the skeptics, will meet with persistent resistance from them - it cannot be escaped! The Borg had it right - Reistance IS Futile!

I like to view my open-mindedness as something that is not blind to any possible
charlatan-ry but rather an innocent openness to what feels honest and right for me to next delve into. My inner Self knows!

Cheers All!

Stephen

[Aaron]

skepticism is limitation

I know that if I was ever skeptical about PATHS or the energy technologies, I would have never attracted to myself the real information about them.

That doesn't mean being blindly naive about these things, just look at them for what they are, reserve any judgement until knowing beyond a shadow of a doubt what the deal is based on observation, experience, etc...

We will find whatever we expect to find. Any flaws or whatever we find may not be the innate reality of what we're looking at but certainly our reality is carved by our own filters. The less filtration, the more pure and innate we see something for what it is.

Skepticism is certainly a filter with tainted bias.

I believe that science itself can only truly move foreword only when there is no skepticism or naive gullability either. Just observing with no judgement. That is a real challenge because our own ego's simply want to prevent any change in its state of being and anything that expands our frame of reference is most certainly forcing our ego to transform. The ego will work hard at influencing us to perceive things in a way that preserve the current held belief whatever that may be.

It is easy to know when the ego is trying to control us and preserve us so that we do not transform... whenever we hear about something that is contrary to our current belief and we have any reaction to it whatsoever, that is a sure sign that there is an opportunity for growth.

[Joy]

Great Conversation!

Hi guys,

This is a wonderful topic, and I've enjoyed reading all of your views. The topic raised this thought for me - how do intuition, insight and just gut-knowing relate to all of this?

I've never considered myself to be a skeptic, and would classify myself as open minded. Yet, I am coming to appreciate, hear and follow my intuition more and more. So, sometimes I might accept or rule out outside viewpoints, theories or so-called "facts", just because they do not resonate with me. My intuition/gut guides me to understand my own personal truth, and that's enough for me.

It seems to me that as we look within, and get more comfortable listening to the guidance within us, concerns about being open-minded vs. skeptical will fall away. Or, better yet, maybe we'll just naturally gravitate toward initial open-mindedness to allow the information to reach our intuitive filters.

Hmmmmm....

Your thoughts?

Love,
Joy

[Chansonette]

Personal Truth

Hi Joy,

I'm resonating with you . For me, the question of whether somebody is a skeptic or not is only relevant if you're trying to change his or her mind about something. Somewhere in the last few years, probably because of the combination of Holosync and Abraham, I just...I don't know....lost interest...in trying to convince anybody of anything. I love the idea of letting each person just Be their own Beingness, and I appreciate being able to Be my own Beingness, which may or may not jive with somebody else's facts, etc. I just really don't....care....

What I will do is follow my gut, and if somebody wants to know what I know, or have what I have in terms of consciousness etc then that becomes a mutually beneficial conversation. And as sterlingp says, LOA draws like to like, so for me, as you say, the more tuned in I am to my own being, the more I find myself in the company of folks likewise tuned in.

On the other hand, I also firmly believe in the idea of seeds -- and what is not somebody else's truth today because of where he or she is at this moment, can become their truth 6 months from now, as they grow into it.

But then, I'm not an Energetic Scientist. If you're a scientist, it seems, there is always a hard place to land in terms of how you conceive your reality. I'm an artist. I really could care less about HOW it works and WHY it works...I just love that it works, and I feel good about what I'm doing

Fascinating subject

xxooxx
c

[Aaron]

believe in it anyway

Hi all,

With a few friends in the past who were skeptical about some of the things I was involved in, I asked them to believe in them anyway. This is the reasoning. If they are skeptical, they surely will never see it.

If they convince themself to just believe it anyway, and if it turns out to be true, then they will surely see it. If it doesn't, then they can always go back to being skeptical can't they? But at least they will increase the probability of a realization.

[GodSpark]

Not my burden to bear

There are over 6 billion people in this world. I think most would agree that time is a precious commodity. That time might be better spent with people that are truly open minded. Those that are skeptical will either come around of their own accord, or they won't. Give your time to those who appreciate it.

Wow. When I read your statement, Kevin, it instantly resonated with my core.
A great example is last night. My hubby Sean wanted to go and visit his friends - great people, all in all, I just do not resonate with them. Sean does - I don't. They are his friends from his army days and he used to live with Shane and Shauna, the couple we visited. You know sometimes, you feel as though you're being evaluated, checked out, by someone, to see if you are good enough (this must be a self-confidence, self-esteem issue on my part and yes I am definitely on the self-esteem-self-confidence module; have been since April 4th) for their friend, well that is how I have always felt around this couple (even though Sean and I have now been together for 4 years). We visit them maybe once, twice a year, and until now I did not comprehend what this uneasiness was all about with them. I thought, I am an open minded person. I help people and I enjoy people, so why can I not seem to jive with these people? Why is the conversation so stilted with them?
(And I've always said to Sean that I prefer spending my time with more spiritual people, and perhaps that is elitist of me, so I have opened my mind more and I am do see the gem-like beauty in more and more people, for which I am very grateful).


Shauna kept saying last night that she was skeptical but open to new things and she asked me to explain thetahealing to her,and I felt so put upon and so uncomfortable with explaining it to her that I felt physically drained. (And ordinarily, to someone who is open to healing and helping themselves, I could discuss it for days!) It was as though my own CHI, my own life force was leaving my body to be able to explain it to her. She kept saying that she had a sore back and the healer in me kept wanting to help her, but then I know that helping a skeptic takes so much of my own energy, and I guess the main thing is that I feel unappreciated (is that an ego thing with me, or is it pure self-preservation of my own energy reserves?) and then I feel hollow from the energy drain.

Again, Shane and Shauna are good people. Nice family. All of that good stuff. I just feel uncomfortable around them. But perhaps this is a growing experience for me in some way. To live and let live. To just be. To not have to always need to explain things to non-believers. And I need to let go of the belief that I am responsible for peoples' enlightenment. The light will either come on or it won't but that is not my burden to bear. Thanks for letting me rant. This sharing is shifting me already.

Bless You All For Being Here With Me. I Am Eternally Grateful For All Of You.
Ulrika

[Pamela]

Great Thread, Kevin!

My Dear Ones,

Thanks so much for starting this thread, Kevin... What you have said, as well as Chans, Steven, Aaron and Ulrika have benefited me greatly...

As I stated recently in Gracie's thread on Chinese Energetic Medicine, she spent considerable time with me this past week making corrections on my entire being...(Thanks again, Gracie!) One issue that came up was my frustration at the resistance I was feeling from skeptics which made it difficult for me to help them with their own concerns. Since I have this overwhelming urge to spread the word of the wonders of the PATHS technology and to aid others as they grow and expand in consciousness, when I ran across those whose minds are closed, I found that this frustration also sapped my energy and it simply was NOT serving me well...(Ulrika...I truly resonate to what you stated in your post....) And what you all have shared, along with our Darling Gracie's corrections, has allowed me to deal with this in a different light. Thanks My Dear Friends!

So often during the past months I have had friends come to me with their problems seeking advice and after spending much energy introducing them to LOA, have found they just don't (or won't) resonate to spiritual enlightenment... That really depleted my energy, so now I have just stopped trying and simply listen, as best I can as they ramble on about their miseries.... And then, I have perused the threads at PI and found so many people posting about negative thoughts and doubts, the inability to think positive, serious issues with depression, self-esteem, weight problems etc...The list goes on and on... And so often I have wanted to tell them..."Try PATHS...You Need This...This will help you...", and I am glad that, for the most part, I have stopped myself....I guess I learned intrinsically, early on, that the energy spent doing so would have been wasted.... I may, on occasion, quickly direct some PI people to THIS forum so they may have the opportunity to find out for themselves the information they need to enhance their lives, but before I was doing it with a wee bit of concern that they wouldn't "get it".....And now, after reading your posts, I can do this without that naughty frustration....

Aaron has said before that it is a waste of precious energy to bother with skeptics, when it comes to introducing them to PATHS, as there are so many other Sweet Ones who will really and truly WANT to know of and experience this fabulous technology as well as apply the LOA in the most benefical way....I could direct PI posters to this site until the cows come home, introduce those friends with their problems to LOA, meditation etc., but in many cases, I know now it would be all for naught....That is okay...That is Their Journey and I wish them well.... My New intention is to attract into my life, many open-minded individuals who I will be most Happy and Grateful to help and assist in their new journey of expanding consciousnes, as well as share experiences with them, and thus expend my Energy, Love and Light in the most positive way.

With Much Love and Gratitude,

Pamela

[Roz]

the utter delight in loving self

I too am grabbed by the essence of this discussion.

What a vast array of insight you all have shared..cheers.

What occurs to me as significant to add is that whatever level of self growth you are directing your intent toward..there is such obvious value in retaining your focus on the experience you most wish to have.

And..as we've already touched on..because we are all individual creators with an individual agenda..that which falls in line with our intent will naturally fall our way.

Hmmmm...and since we all are at our source.. spiritual beings..and spirit is always for greater and fuller self expression..in line with our natural perfect state.. it stands to reason that we're all reaching for the same goal....lol...albeit at many varying experinces along that self growth path..

...back to our individuality to tie this all together..whereever we are on our own growth path..understanding LOA...and the law of sowing and reaping..and the state of our self responsibiity has obvious incredible positive return in taking us to where we ultimately wanna be

Here endeth the thoughts..for now

warm thoughts
Roz

www.paths-2-inner-potential.com: Program Authoring The Human Subconscious

[Chansonette]

Sweet Ones...

Yup yup and yup. As I read your post, Lovely Pamela, and yours, Dear Roz, I kept thinking of something I've heard (and taken to heart) from Abraham...and that has to do with honoring the truth that every Being we meet is here on his/her own divine agenda, is in a unique place with respect to his/her own relationship with his/her own Source, is Divine regardless of how we might perceive him/her from OUR perspective, etc....and that...bottom line...inasmuch as we are looking at somebody else and imagining that we can prescribe what they need we are, in Abe terms, the Peanut Gallery...and vice versa...nobody can prescribe for us.

We are all Sovereign Souls, joined at the deepest place as One Being, yet Unique Individual Emanations of GodSource...playing in this playground we call Earth. And it's absolutely clear to me at least that a whole bunch of us are waking into the awareness of such....

AND/BUT that doesn't mean any one of us can prescribe for another of us what the path to "enlightenment" should look like or even what "enlightenment" is. I put that word "enlightenment" in quotes b/c I agree with Abraham that we are all enlightened already...there's nowhere to go...it's just a matter of "am I in tune with my True Being in this moment or not?"...(i know...for you energetic scientists out there that vastly simplifies things...but I'm Energetic Artist so it works for me )

But for me...the word Namaste says it all...because it acknowledges the god-self in each person we meet...and if we are truly acknowledging the god-self in each person we meet -- I mean TRULY???? We would not presume to know what is best for that person.

BUT we can share with that person what has worked for us...what our truth currently is (mine changes every day)...and offer it to them. Best case scenario, without attachment to what they choose.

Also...and this I LOVE...Abe talks about rendezvousing with each other....with those of us who had arranged prior to coming into physical that we would play together here....and I for one have been putting that on my list: I want to rendezvous with my soul friends....

And as far as I am concerned that's what's happening here....and there are many many many more who will be drawn to PATHS b/c it's what they intended before ever manifesting in physical...This is huge. And it's fabulous. And it's ALL GOOD

love and hugs

chansy

[sterlingpg]

You are all truly Wonderful!

All of you posting on this thread truly have touched me deeply. Kindred spirits, or aligned souls...whatever you are is totally awesome!

Kevin, again thank you for the reasoned, logical explanation of the difficulty in the phrase 'open-minded skeptic' - it resonates true to me.

Aaron, many times the thoughts and feelings you have expressed 'all over the place' lol, have come to me in my daily life - the looking at things, whether they be just things or people and seeing them just as they are, has benefited my outlook in separating judgement and attachment to said things or people.

Joy (what a wonderful name you use here!), your thoughts on living more by intuition are bang on! I live intuitively as well - something I don't see too often in men, yet am very grateful for having this world open up to me more and more. In the Secret of Shambhala, by James Redfield, the people of Shambhala all live by intuition. According to Jung, it is the instinctive/intuitive part of our brain that is connected to the collective unconscious and thus a source of immense wisdom and knowledge. I believe our subconscious wants to help us and bring us whatever it is we desire and think about, though it is clear with the teachings of Abraham and others on LOA, this is something we need to discipline, practice, and train ourselves to be open to allowing. With my background being raised and staying in a cult-like religion (JWs) until my mid 30's, I have a lot of reason I could have become so skeptical, yet through intuition and trust of the inner Self, the opposite has happened, thankfully!

Chansonette, your using the term 'follow your gut' reminds me of how god, in CWG says 'the tummy knows' - how true! I too believe that people are at different stages and that some just need a little planting and perhaps a little watering to grow a bit more. Reminds me too of some Biblical Scripture that says, Paul speaking 'I planted, Apollos watered, but God makes it grow'. The danger with this idea is that I could imagine myself 'more advanced' or somesuch and I try instead to think that when I meet someone, they or I or both of us, have something to share with each other and thats that. If I have to try convincing or feeling any anxiety at all in what is being shared, then I have gone too far and its time to wish them Peace and move on. Chans, unfortunately, I too am one of those How and Why kind of guys lol. I want to know it all and want to know it NOW LOL.

Ulrika - wow, what a great story you related. I know you felt drained but it sure shows how the flow of our energies can affect us. When we are inline with our true Self...it will always feel good and resonate well with others. I find that as I get more and more sensitive to these subtle energies, that I have to be more and more selective about what kinds of crowds I'm in or what type of people I choose to hang out with - if it doesn't feel right, then its time to be a bit more discretionary for me. Being happy and knowing all is right to just let others live and let live with their beliefs was one of the greatest reliefs for me in leaving that hardcore religion!

Pamela...I feel like I know you! What a beautiful soul you are, and I hear you on so many levels. I totally understand the desire to share what has made you so happy and fulfilled with Everyone! Its natural to want to share good news. However, I see in myself that I had to have the desire to want to know more, never being satisfied with status quo and a deep yearning to learn more and more about this amazing thing we call Life. I find that many, if not most, other people are not in that frame of mind of intense interest in expanding their mind, however, the little seeds aforementioned can often sprout at the neatest times.

Roz, I agree with everything you said - especially the part that in essence says to me - we cannot not get there! We're all getting there in our own ways and we all play a part in the evolution of this illusory 'reality' on this planet - its all good! Thank you for your thoughts!

Chansonette, you get two responses by me lol...because I just LOVE what you have said about enlightenment. I think a Bhuddism book I read said something about us all being Enlightened beings, however we are all at different stages of Awakening to this realization. The words of Abraham resonate deeply with me as well - it just feels good to listen and read Abraham.

I know several people that are all at different points in 'getting it' and who openly love to talk about these subjects of spirituality/consciousness. They desire to know more, and I love to share with them what they are able to handle. I never forget the gifts of knowledge and experience they give me as well!

All of you are so wonderful and I'm blessed (sorta blessed myself I guess, through LOA'ing you all to me lmao) to know you in whatever format you come to me and I to you.

Namaste says it all

Stephen

[Kevin]

Oh my goodness!

What a great thread!

Thank you all so much for sharing. I have learned much from each post.

I am a bit uncomfortable to admit it (NOT ) my motivation for viewing the world as a whole, (rather than the one stubborn person right in front of me) was born of practicality more than respect.

Reading your posts has encouraged me in the journey I am on, learning to truly love my neighbor as myself.

[Pamela]

Learning more and more...

Oh, My Dear Ones...

It seems that every day I learn more and more from all of you and I find this such a delicious adventure...

My Precious Roz...How beautiful it is that we have connected to the point of having these wonderful "Girlie-Skypes" alone or with Gracie and Pammie and Jamie on such a regular basis... And it never seems that the time is wasted as we explore further the spiritual journey we are sharing as well as laugh and giggle with such school-girl delight that we snort water out of our noses and onto the computer screen!!! It is true that there is ALWAYS something new to share about our growth as the perfect and whole spiritual beings that we Are Now and the knowing that tomorrow will find us even further on this path of joy and wonder...

And Darling Chans... PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE get Skype so you can join your soul sisters as we "play together".... We have all resonated to you on such a deep level ever since you popped up on PI with your exquisite wit and compassion and Love, not to mention your profound wisdom of the human condition... I can promise you that there is Never a dull moment during these calls and I also intuit that there will be even more soul sisters who will find their way to these "meetings" which shall make for even More fulfilling and loving connections among us, as well as More tears of laughter! Hurry Chans...We cannot wait for you to play and learn with us....

Dear Steven....Your words make me blush with delight... Yet I am not surprised that you feel that you know me... It is easy to see from most of my posts that I freely reveal the many parts of myself with little inhibition and I find it most liberating to do so. I feel so safe and loved here with people like you and the opportunity to share my Authentic Self with all the Dear Ones on this forum has allowed me to blossom and grow with amazing joy. And I also must tell you that I found your post to all those who have contributed to this thread to be a magnificent gift of YOUR Authentic Self... That which indicates the sensitivity and wisdom and compassion of YOUR Beautiful Soul that we all resonate to... Thank You for this, Sweet Steven.... And Please remember that I also cannot help to allow my more mischievous nature to come to the surface from time to time, so please take my gentle teasing on other threads in stride... All is in Fun and all is for Love...

And My Kevin...You are Precious... I always adore reading your posts...Your humor and wisdom and thoughtful sharing of YOUR Authentic Self makes me feel honored to share the planet with you... Many Thanks to you also.... However...I must set the record straight with you, Dear Kevin.... I have a feeling that you are under the impression that I have ALWAYS been as mischievous as I sometimes allow myself to be on this forum.....Not So, My Sweet One!!! I'll have you know that the Self that I am revealing Now was hidden away for years and years and I am making up for lost time, so Look Out, Big Boy!!! I plan on stickin' around for a LONG TIME and you ain't seen nothin' yet!!!

Oh, wait...We were talking about skeptics before, right? I guess I forgot for a few minutes... Oh, well....

With So Much Love and Gratitude to You All,

Pamela

[Adrienne]

hmmmmm....Sweet

hello all,
thank you everyone for sharing and being so open....WOW...i love how i end up exactly where i need to....i asked and now i have recieved, by coming upon this thread....which is really great.
the open-minded skeptic, hey, hmmmmm....i am definitly going to pounder what i have read, it all resinates with me and god can i relate, cuz i want to share this amazing experience and tool with everyone and some peoples eyes glaze over and i feel frustrated cuz they don't get it or can't see how wounderful paths is.
i have been touched by what i have read here...and it is as though i am able to give my permission to let the skeptics go....well to the best of my ability, from moment to moment....
i commend everyone who has the memory and patience to address every post...me well names and who said what is pretty much out of mind already, i'd have to take notes to bring up to this posting.....in time this will be easier for me i am sure.

when i read this it makes me think of control, and wanting to MAKE people see what i see, as well as if others validate what i am doing, it will make me feel good/better/secure in my choices. however, listening to my gut and trusting myself with what feels right is getting easier and easier, and much stronger in me sometimes daily, with paths this has improved greatly and very quickly...

grateful for all the insights...and geeze...when people aren't interested in what i am sharing with them it's not about me....hmmmmm.... what a concept...don't need to take it personally.

i think so many are looking for acceptance and approval of others that this is where many (including myself) have/do get hooked in, it's like some kind of energy stealing thing.
back to control and the drama that is in that.

i heard something about LOA in here (ok seen), and my first intro to the secret, (which does require open-mindness) was that (for me) i have to let go and accept things as they are, and because of paradigms i have had, and probably still have (for a bit anyway ) sure makes it easier to get alot of the concepts that are introduced.

i think i have always been open minded, however there are a lot of areas that that wasn't so, and i am sure more things that i am not aware of yet....we don't understand till we understand, and we don't know til we know....now trying to be patient is another story, but that all starts with being patient with me.
K, think i've rambled on long enough.....had a lot of thoughts, and wow....i needed this today.

P.S. An act of violence, is imposing anothers will on another. (i think thats how it goes) that helps put me back in my place

peace, love, and gratitude....Adrienne

[Joy]

Joy (what a wonderful name you use here!)

Hee hee - thanks, Stephen, but I have to give credit to my parents... it is actually my given name. And I am grateful to them for giving it to me, as I have had a real head start in remembering to be happy everyday.

Apologies if this is off-topic (though it feels somehow related), but I am intrigued by the need for anonymity on-line. I'm certainly not criticizing anyone for using screen names, after all they are fun, and an alter-ego can do wonders for initiating change from within. I used to use anonymous screen names, too, for years. I think it was the point at which I began really understanding LoA and that I am worthy, that I began to feel comfortable revealing myself to the world.

Back on topic now...

Adrienne (a beautiful name, indeed) - I found your comment

An act of violence, is imposing anothers will on another

most thought-provoking. Force is certainly over-rated in our culture.

Love,
Joy