Water Trouble

[DrStiffler]

I was looking for an existing thread to post this into, yet after going through 19 pages of topics looking I decide to do another, else forget it all.

Water.

Check you MUD (Municipal Utility District), County or City Water Quality Reports and see if they continue to cover 'Organics'. It has come to my attention that not only are certain controlling agencies allowing the non-reporting of radio active components, but now are allowing the exclusion of 'Organics'.

If the addition of metals are not bad enough, Organics can be a critical problem.

[khabe]

Water trouble - good and practical thread,
I have own well, driven into limestone scale in eighties. When in the beginning the main problem was calc then in new millennium accrued iron what in past years went whole horrible - common filters and systems was dead feckless. Was needed to build own Water Treatment Plant, lot of readings, learnings and tryings before success
From where this iron comes and why not in the neighborhood - this is mystery up till today
cheers,
khabe

[IndianaBoys]

Iron bacteria in drinking water

Actually this is what I had intended the thread to be about and it seems it took off in a different direction.

Removed based on Dr. Stiffler's reply.

[khabe]

@ IndianaBoys,
Thank you very much for offering,
It will not come bit hard to solve my geologic problems from range
Surelly I have some iron bacterias in my well as well, but at first when it comes from under this water is clear, this is dissolved iron what rapidly comes up when goes to aeration and ozonator tanks. There I have aerator, ozonator, electrolyzing ... magnetizing ... all possible things before it goes into filter systems. Final result is good but main problem is about huge amount of iron looks like I can buid up modest metallurgy factory based on weekly back-wash of filters and tanks
Mental filter yeah, may be ... Im not sure I got the point when this is something like meditation then ...
cheers,
khabe

[IndianaBoys]

Actually this is what I had intended the thread to be about and it seems it took off in a different direction.

Removed based on Dr. Stiffler's reply.

[Slider2732]

I have a concern and, I do hope i'm asking in the right thread.
What is really in tap water ?

I'm from England, moved to the USA in 2007. While in England, my teeth were great, no problems except that some idiot dentist 'polished' my teeth in about 1998 and removed all the coating that my parents had paid 11 pounds per tooth to have put on them when I was 11.
However, i'm now 41 and up until moving here had no real dental problems, beside a slight case of inadvertent chipping of teeth on tough food (that dentist).
Now, since moving to Oklahoma in mid 2008, i've had the most awful of problems. Starting gradually with the odd toothache, a piece of one front tooth simply came away a few months ago. Another piece soon followed. I have daily toothache that varies all over the mouth and yet my brushing is very good.
Age ? change of water ? what ?

I have always drank about a dozen cups of coffee per day...could it be an acidic base difference in the store brand coffee's of this area ?

The one thing that makes me wonder about a water connection, is that many many Oklahomans have dental trouble. Many visibly have teeth missing, I'm English and supposed to have dental trouble eh...but really didn't before moving here.
Needless to say, i'm still within immigration proceedings and have no health insurance, else this would have been dealt with some while ago.

[DrStiffler]

I have a concern and, I do hope i'm asking in the right thread.
What is really in tap water ?

I'm from England, moved to the USA in 2007. While in England, my teeth were great, no problems except that some idiot dentist 'polished' my teeth in about 1998 and removed all the coating that my parents had paid 11 pounds per tooth to have put on them when I was 11.
However, i'm now 41 and up until moving here had no real dental problems, beside a slight case of inadvertent chipping of teeth on tough food (that dentist).
Now, since moving to Oklahoma in mid 2008, i've had the most awful of problems. Starting gradually with the odd toothache, a piece of one front tooth simply came away a few months ago. Another piece soon followed. I have daily toothache that varies all over the mouth and yet my brushing is very good.
Age ? change of water ? what ?

I have always drank about a dozen cups of coffee per day...could it be an acidic base difference in the store brand coffee's of this area ?

The one thing that makes me wonder about a water connection, is that many many Oklahomans have dental trouble. Many visibly have teeth missing, I'm English and supposed to have dental trouble eh...but really didn't before moving here.
Needless to say, i'm still within immigration proceedings and have no health insurance, else this would have been dealt with some while ago.

Actually this is what I had intended the thread to be about and it seems it took off in a different direction.

My first post was asking for water consumers to look at reports issued by their providers. It appears that allowed levels of a numbers of water contaminates are being raised in order to not upset the public. In Texas you may have heard about the radiation in many water systems and people did not know this because governments did not report and in some cases were told not to report by higher governing and regulatory agencies.

Now we have noted that certain contaminates such as 'Organics' are removed from reporting. This is most dangerous as is the practice of only looking at bacteriological agents on an infrequent basis. It appears to be a case of if you don't know, you can't get upset, or if the guideline is raised for allowed ppm then people are again fooled in a false belief.

There are independent labs that test water and if you have a question on what could be present and not reported I would send a sample and say it is from your own well, pay the $60-$100 and put your mind at ease or start raising hell with the provider.

[Slider2732]

Thank you for your reply.
As a short term measure, I now boil the water for my coffee's.
During summer, the traditional method has been to use a stove pan and raise the temperature until the bubbles start and the sound of heating is audible, few seconds later, remove from the stove. It saves energy and I have always seen no point to boiling water that then has to sit for 20 minutes until the coffee can be consumed !

My previous information concerning water and especially fluoride additions was from that time honored, yet conspiracy prone, radio station Coast to Coast AM. As may be appreciated, balanced information is sought.
I'll Google the figures for Oklahoma
There may also be a simple addition of something found in the kitchen that balances pH...something else to look into, while peering at my coffee cup.

[DrStiffler]

Thank you for your reply.
As a short term measure, I now boil the water for my coffee's.
During summer, the traditional method has been to use a stove pan and raise the temperature until the bubbles start and the sound of heating is audible, few seconds later, remove from the stove. It saves energy and I have always seen no point to boiling water that then has to sit for 20 minutes until the coffee can be consumed !

My previous information concerning water and especially fluoride additions was from that time honored, yet conspiracy prone, radio station Coast to Coast AM. As may be appreciated, balanced information is sought.
I'll Google the figures for Oklahoma
There may also be a simple addition of something found in the kitchen that balances pH...something else to look into, while peering at my coffee cup.

@Slider
Boiling is of questionable use with many of the contaminates that are in water today. In chemistry we use the different boiling points for what may be contained in a mixture (water). Some items such as alcohol will boil off at a temperature lower than 100'C which is for water at STP. Yet many chemicals will require a higher temperature than that at which water boils, therefore they travel along with the water and are not removed.

The boiling for biological agents is also not cut and dried. Take for example the spores of botulism, remember how people used to boil green beans until they were mush, well this was because the spore was very heat resistant and would not be killed just by bringing it to 100'C. A prolonged time is required. Also some agents release endotoxins when they are killed. These toxins are sometimes more dangerous than the bacterium that released them.

Boiling in most cases will have no affect on metals content. Some organics will boil off, although not all. Over the counter water filters are not all created equal and many will do nothing for many metals. Even the size of the bacterium, determines how effective the filter can be.

It is best to know what you are dealing with, then plan a procedure which will work for the contaminants. Just plane old boiling is very limited in today's world.

[IndianaBoys]

Comparative Table Of Water Purification Systems

Slider,

Here is a link to information that may be of assistance:

COMPARATIVE TABLE OF WATER PURIFICATION SYSTEMS
Water purification system, filters, water softeners and quaility of drinking water softner with reverse osmosis filtration systems by Aquathin.com

Particle Size Removal Range By Filtration And Reverse Osmosis:

http://www.aquathin.com/PDF/particle%20size.pdf

Legally Safe and Totally Safe are Two Different Addresses:

http://www.aquathin.com/PDF/Where-Do-You-Want-To-Live.pdf

You will notice that the RO-DI (Reverse Osmosis - De-ionization) section is an excellent choice.

The beauty of an RO-DI system is that you will be guaranteed 0 TDS (total dissolved solids) in your water. It will be pure H2O at a fraction of the cost.
You can check on how your water purification system is doing with a simple $20 TDS meter.

RO = reverse osmosis and can reject upwards to 98+% of the TDS.
Then the De-ionization cartridge that the water travels through will collect the rest like a magnet. Producing 0 TDS water.

If your tap water = 100 TDS and you run it through an RO filter that is operating at 98% rejection you will be left with 2 TDS. Those 2 TDS will then run through the De-ionization filter and be collected. Out comes 0 TDS water. The organic contaminants/pollutants would be handled with a carbon filter. Their is chemistry that could be used to further describe the process but wanted to keep it simple and easy to understand.

The RO-DI process will remove fluoride if that is a concern.

Some are concerned with "striping" out all the minerals in the water and the effect that would have on the body's system. In that case just make sure to have some vegetables and fruit in the diet each day to make up for any loss.

You know when your filters need to be checked when your TDS starts climbing above 0 TDS.

The money savings is having the Reverse Osmosis do the majority of the work removing the TDS rather than just running it through a De-ionization filter without a reverse osmosis filter.

These systems come in a variety of configurations to fit most budgets as well as ones that are portable and can be moved from location to location with relative ease. You can put a point of use system (either permanent or portable) right at the kitchen sink rather than larger systems treating all the water that comes through the house.

The $60-100 dollars you would pay for a test could be applied to a system that will provide you with pure H2O for pennies a gallon and leave all the guessing out as to what is in your water.

IndianaBoys

[Nuge]

I was looking for an existing thread to post this into, yet after going through 19 pages of topics looking I decide to do another, else forget it all.

Water.

Check you MUD (Municipal Utility District), County or City Water Quality Reports and see if they continue to cover 'Organics'. It has come to my attention that not only are certain controlling agencies allowing the non-reporting of radio active components, but now are allowing the exclusion of 'Organics'.

If the addition of metals are not bad enough, Organics can be a critical problem.

This is kind of funny!! I just joined a couple of days ago looking for other info and was just checking this thread out as the little woman handed me our city's Annual Drinking Water Report!! Is Total Coliform and Turbidity the contaminant variables your looking for in these reports? It's under Microbiological Contaminants column in our report.

[Slider2732]

Just an update to my own dental health.
I found:Community Water Fluoridation Program - Oklahoma State Department of Health
and: Fluoridation Program
and: Treatmemt Process

We have a broken water main, long story but basically we believe it was sabotaged by an unsavory guy who agreed to a barter and then reneged. His work is with plumbing and that was the trade barter. Although our line is broken right at the outside grid on the house side, the mains water still travels down the pipe and the first bucket collected from the side of wall pipe is always used as toilet flushing water.
It was therefore easier to switch to bottled water for any consumption and to rain water for other uses.

Shortly after that point, a month or so ago, my toothaches have reduced to zero and no more flaking of enamel has occurred.

[isabellajames]

Great thread...

[newtonph]

Yeah interesting topic, ours here we wonder if this strong chlorine odor of the water is safe enough for drink and cook..

[Mad Scientist]

Fluoride and chlorine gas are both known poisons, of course you are not supposed to know that. So when you take a nice hot steamy shower to relax the chlorine in the water is released as a gaspeople producing it surprisingly they found that it reduced tooth decay. Not so surprisingly other studies were unable to confirm that but they were conveniently ignored. This allowed the producers of it to sell to municipal water suppliers instead of have to pay to get rid of it.

Municipal water reports do not always tell the whole story on how pure their water is, rather these report only list those pollutants that they are required to test for. Things like radiation form Japans power plant "OH we don't check for that"!

Buying bottled water does not insure that you will get clean pure water as it can be nothing more the bottled municipal tap water.
Even healthy water but into a plastic bottle can be become unhealthy by leaching harmful chemicals from the plastic.

Your best approach to healthy water is to make your our RO water and then supplement it vitamins and minerals as mentioned as above.