Fukushima

[mbrownn]

I think they need a new scale

[conradphd]

Radiation is Good For You - Eat More!

Only in today's world can this be done and the people ride the train with it all.

EPA/EU Raise Safe Food Radiation Levels

[rodav120]

Why in the first place did they build that nuclear plant on an area with four tectonic plates. Ah, mankind is of the thinking they can beat, go beyond or fool nature. Pollution from fossil fuel emission is not enough, we have to have this. When will we ever learn?

[rickoff]

Why in the first place did they build that nuclear plant on an area with four tectonic plates.

Actually, the Fukushima nuclear facilities were built and upgraded well enough that they survived the 9.0 quake intact. The failure and explosions were caused by overheating due to the fact that the resultant tsunami flooded the area and disabled both grid power and diesel backup generators that ran the coolant pumps. With that fact in mind, and looking back in hindsight, it was extremely foolish to build the plants on a low lying coastal area wide open to a tsunami scenario, let alone building 5 of them at the same location. The reason they built them there, of course, is that no one wanted them elsewhere. The tragedy could have been averted, though, if engineers had forseen the possibility of a tsunami and taken steps to place the diesel back-up generators at an adequately elevated level such as above the roof top (the tsunami was 33 feet high), rather than at sea level where they were located. Makes you wonder how engineers could have the sophistication to design a nuclear powerplant facility, and not have enough common sense to ensure that back-up power would be viable no matter what situation arose. This wasn't the first recorded Japanese quake over 8.0, and certainly wasn't the first tsunami to strike Japan's coast.

Rick

[mbrownn]

Actually, the Fukushima nuclear facilities were built and upgraded well enough that they survived the 9.0 quake intact. The failure and explosions were caused by overheating due to the fact that the resultant tsunami flooded the area and disabled both grid power and diesel backup generators that ran the coolant pumps. With that fact in mind, and looking back in hindsight, it was extremely foolish to build the plants on a low lying coastal area wide open to a tsunami scenario, let alone building 5 of them at the same location. The reason they built them there, of course, is that no one wanted them elsewhere. The tragedy could have been averted, though, if engineers had forseen the possibility of a tsunami and taken steps to place the diesel back-up generators at an adequately elevated level such as above the roof top (the tsunami was 33 feet high), rather than at sea level where they were located. Makes you wonder how engineers could have the sophistication to design a nuclear powerplant facility, and not have enough common sense to ensure that back-up power would be viable no matter what situation arose. This wasn't the first recorded Japanese quake over 8.0, and certainly wasn't the first tsunami to strike Japan's coast.

Rick

[dutchdivco]

You CAN ride the tiger

If you are quick and clever enough, you CAN ride the tiger; thats not the problem.The problem is, eventually your going to want to get off!

Good analogy for nukiller power, in more ways than 1.Those that have read my posts will understand I am IN NO WAY defending 'them'.

Just thinking out loud. If they were going to fully disclose, it would be something like this;
In order to FULLY protect public health, following Fuctupashima, heres what we would have to do; Firstly, evacuate Japan, a country of 125 million people, and the 3rd largest economy in the world.We have to do this, because highly radioactive water is obviously leaking into the ground, as well as the ocean, where it is 'polluting' the ground water. Its in the air, it has been broadcast by the wind to the surface of the ground.

So, we evacuate the country, to someplace like western Canada, Wyoming and Montana.Need housing, with infrastructure; roads, sewer, water, energy and food distribution systems. Hospitals, grocery stores, etc. And, EMPLOYMENT. Have to move factories, Toyota, Sony, etc.

But wait, 'there's more'; need to modify our lifestyle, on a worldwide basis; all buildings must be sealed; no opening windows for 'fresh' air, anymore.Each entrance must have a double airlock, and any time someone goes outside, must be covered from head to foot, and must strip and shower before entering any building.

But wait, 'there's more'; IF we had already had such systems in place, prior to FS spewing all this highly radioactive fallout around the world, it would be one thing. Since we didn't, every building, after being 'sealed', will need to be gone thru with geiger counters and vacuum cleaners (or whatever) to remove any radioactive dust which has gotten in.

But wait, 'there's more'. If we told the 'sheeple' all of this, and they reacted by demanding all nukiller plants be immediately shut down, all 'westernised, developed countries' power grids are absolutely dependent on Nuc power.
Would have to go on rolling blackouts, with 4-6 or perhaps 6-8 hours of power, per 24 hrs.Think what that would do to the economy and lifestyle of the world? All the supply lines we depend on, are dependent on 'the grid'.
People would only have 1 choice; to get their own generators= increased demand for fossil fuel, more 'greenhouse gasses, etc.

So, the alternative to this totally unrealistic scenario is to accept that Japan is going to have a great increase in the # of Cancer deaths, for the foreseeable future. And, to a lesser degree, so is the rest of the world.While statistically, in 20 or 30 years, will be able to 'make the case' that these deaths are a result of FS, this will just be seen as an inevitable and 'acceptable risk/loss.

Just occured to me; wonder what the Insurance companies will do, regarding insuring people against cancer? If they will modify life insurance policies, for paying out for death from cancer, or limit the amount of coverage for treatment? Or, will they simply cover their losses with increased premiums?

Anyway, this is the calculation I think 'They' have made.I think 'they' were caught totally flat footed. They have no idea how to stop the plants from spewing out radiation, they feel they have no choice but to continue to pump water in, even tho its leaking out as highly radioactive.Basically, they never thought this could happen, and have no idea what to do with it, now.
No idea how to 'get off the tiger', either with FS, or with nukiller power as a whole.Thats what I think.

Oh, and by the way, there ARE things you can do, to protect yourself. For those not in JAPAN, we're not in danger from radiation; we're in danger from radioactive fallout.Produce CAN be eaten, as long as you wash it thouroughly, first. And, there are things you can ingest; iodine, to protect your thyroid. Bentonite clay, and Cilantro, to protect against the other radioactive isotopes. There are protecols.Jim

[blackchisel97]

Fuel rod fragments at bottom of vessels, Japan Times, April 15, 2011

[mbrownn]

[ashtweth]

Melting of Japan plant's fuel rods confirmed - The Irish Times - Fri, Apr 15, 2011

[dutchdivco]

mmbrown

Wish I could share your optimism. On alternatives, lets not forget Methane!
I'm surprised I don't see one thread, in the energy forum, on methane digestion.Methane, when released into the aptnophere, is a 'greenhouse gas'.
Last year, the US produced more methane tha greenhouse gas from cars; it came from livestock operations.Tats a LOT of methane gas! There is 1 sewage treatment plant in LA; (not the only one, of coarse). It runs 10
1000hp 'diesel' engines, 24/7, off the methane gas produced by the sewage.
They use them to run pumps and stuff in the plant, but the main reason is it was the safest way they could come up with to dispose of the methane!How much electricity could you generate from that?
I've been tempted to run a hose about 200' up my sewer line, with a snorkel on the end. Run the other end of the hose thru a bubbler, with water and calcium carbonate, to remove the corrosive component, and to act as a 1 way valve, and run it into a generator.Wonder if it would run, and run 24/7, on the methane gas from the sewer system?
Anyway, I think the problem is more fundemental.People are wanting alternatives that allow us to go on as before.We have developed a centralised lifestyle which requires 'cheap, plentiful' energy to function.
And we are now confronting the hidden costs and liability of these 'cheap,plentiful' sources we have used to build/develop and maintain this lifestyle.Alternatives don't fit well in a centralised lifestyle.Actually, I think we are seeing, on many levels, the weaknesses/frailties in such a lifestyle.People congregating in big cities, living at the end of incredibly long, frail supply lines for their 'necessities';Food, Water, Public Safety, Medical care, Employment,Housing,Transportation and Energy.And we see, on a regular basis, these systems breaking down. And, we see the 'hidden' costs of such systems hidden no more.The whole region of the Gulf Coast will be paying the cost of petroleum for years to come.And, the people of japan, like the people of Chernobyl, will pay the price for Nuclear. And, so will all of us.
And I think most people will not want to cut back at all on their energy use, if thats what it takes to be 'nuclear free'.We like our big screen Tv's, and computers, etc.Anyway, I'm going to be watching to see what happens in the next 30 days, when the 'heroes' of FS start to die.But, I'm not optimistic.Jim

[dutchdivco]

[mbrownn]

dutchdivco

most people call me a pessimistic and crazy conspiracy theorist. Ill take what you say as a compliment.

[jibbguy]

Folks this source is very good for information about the Fukushima Fission Nuclear Disaster:

Energy News

Also the BakRad Feed from Bakersfield which is one of the best i've seen for this subject

bakrad - TweetMeme

Which can also be seen here, at an excellent independent site in West LA called EnviroReporter; these people have had real successes in the past with grass roots local movements to clean up highly toxic sites and they have my deep respect for all the work they are doing.

EnviroReporter.com

[Aaron]

Japan Tsunami Fukushima Nuclear Disaster - Leuren Moret

Check this out - nuclear whistleblower:
YouTube - Japan Tsunami Fukushima Nuclear Disaster 1/2 - Leuren Moret - PDX 9/11 Truth
YouTube - Japan Tsunami Fukushima Nuclear Disaster 2/2- Leuren Moret - PDX 9/11 Truth

Saying the CIA was involved in the setting up of nuclear power plants
and intentionally sabotage them at a later time through the control software.

Obviously there are different problems with Fukushima, but very interesting
and would make complete sense considering that mass genocide is desired
by the controlling elite.

It is a global kill program.


CIA and Mossad made software and planted it in nuclear plants world wide. done with a flash drive she tells the name of the virus it will set off the meltdown and explosion - they did it in Iraq too a while back.


San Francisco had 18,000 over the limit of radiation on March 17 in the water
the government is telling doctors to tell patients do not take iodine it is dangerous, she has letters from the surgeon general who is a military general or some upper rank
she said Americans are 50% under the iodine level we should be at.

[rickoff]

Anyone interested in obtaining an effective, yet low cost, miniature radiation detector?