Personal freedom. It is possible?

[VestnikRA]

"Personal freedom is impossible without economic freedom. A working family, even one living in a modern city apartment, cannot be free, dependent as it is on an employer who determines one’s salary, on utility companies with the power to supply or withhold heat, water and electricity, on the availability of groceries and on the prices of food products and consumer services. The family is slave to all of these, and the children in such a family are born into a slave mentality."

-- Vladimir Megre, from Book 5 "Who Are We?" of the Ringing Cedar series of Books


Any comments?

[Vortex]

Examine the definitions first

One can not make an informed opinion without starting with the legal definitions in Bouvier's Law Dictionary 1856 Edition

Words being defined are in *RED*.

*PERSONAL*. Belonging to the person.

2. This adjective is frequently employed in connection with substantives, things, goods, chattels, actions, right, duties, and the like as personal estate, put in opposition to real estate; personal actions, in contradistinction to real actions; personal rights are those which belong to the person; personal duties are those which are to be performed in person.

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*PERSON*. This word is applied to men, women and children, who are called natural persons. In law, man and person are not exactly-synonymous terms. Any human being is a man, whether he be a member of society or not, whatever may be the rank he holds, or whatever may be his age, sex, &c. A person is a man considered according to the rank he holds in society, with all the rights to which the place he holds entitles him, and the duties which it imposes. 1 Bouv. Inst. n. 137.

2. It is also used to denote a corporation which is an artificial person. 1 Bl. Com. 123; 4 Bing. 669; C. 33 Eng. C. L R. 488; Wooddes. Lect. 116; Bac. Us. 57; 1 Mod. 164.

3. But when the word "Persons" is spoken of in legislative acts, natural persons will be intended, unless something appear in the context to show that it applies to artificial persons. 1 Scam. R. 178.

4. Natural persons are divided into males, or men; and females or women. Men are capable of all kinds of engagements and functions, unless by reasons applying to particular individuals. Women cannot be appointed to any public office, nor perform any civil functions, except those which the law specially declares them capable of exercising. Civ. Code of Louis. art. 25.

5. They are also sometimes divided into free persons and slaves. Freemen are those who have preserved their natural liberty, that is to say, who have the right of doing what is not forbidden by the law. A slave is one who is in the power of a master to whom he belongs. Slaves are sometimes ranked not with persons but things. But sometimes they are considered as persons for example, a negro is in contemplation of law a person, so as to be capable of committing a riot in conjunction with white men. 1 Bay, 358. Vide Man.

6. Persons are also divided into citizens, (q. v.) and aliens, (q. v.) when viewed with regard to their political rights. When they are considered in relation to their civil rights, they are living or civilly dead; vide Civil Death; outlaws; and infamous persons.

7. Persons are divided into legitimates and bastards, when examined as to their rights by birth.

8. When viewed in their domestic relations, they are divided into parents and children; hushands and wives; guardians and wards; and masters and servants son, as it is understood in law, see 1 Toull. n. 168; 1 Bouv. Inst. n. 1890, note.
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*CIVIL DEATH*, persons. The change of the state (q. v.) of a person who is declared civilly dead by judgment of a competent tribunal. In such case, the person against whom such sentence is pronounced is considered dead. 2 John. R. 218. See Gilb. Uses, 150; 2 Bulst. 188; Co. tit. 132; Jenk. Cent. 250; 1 Keble, 398; Prest. on Convey. 140. Vide Death, civil.
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*ARTIFICIAL PERSON*. In a figurative sense, a body of men or company are sometimes called an artificial person, because the law associates them as one, and gives them various powers possessed by natural persons. Corporations are such artificial persons. 1 Bouv. Inst. n. 177.
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*FREEDOM*, Liberty; the right to do what is not forbidden by law. Freedom does not preclude the idea of subjection to law; indeed, it presupposes the existence of some legislative provision, the observance of which insures freedom to us, by securing the like observance from others. 2 Har. Cond. L. R. 208.

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*FREE*. Not bound to servitude; at liberty to act as one pleases. This word is put in opposition to slave.

2. Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several states, which may be included within this Union, according to their respective numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole number of free persons, including those bound to service for a term of years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three-fifths of all other persons. Const. U. S. art. 1, s. 2. 3. It is also put in contradistinction to being bound as an apprentice; as, an apprentice becomes free on attaining the age of twenty-one years.


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*FREEMAN*. One who is in the enjoyment of the right to do whatever he pleases, not forbidden by law. One in the possession of the civil rights enjoyed by, the people generally. 1 Bouv. Inst. n. 164. See 6 Watts, 556:

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What is LAW and what is everything else: civil (which is private!), codes, statues, rules, etc.
Note below, the words constitutional or authority is not used in the definition of LAW.
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*LAW*. In its most general and comprehensive sense, law signifies a rule of action; and this term is applied indiscriminately to all kinds of action; whether animate or inanimate, rational or irrational. 1 Bl. Com. 38. In its more confined sense, law denotes the rule, not of actions in general, but of human action or conduct. In the civil code of Louisiana, art. 1, it is defined to be "a solemn expression of the legislative will." Vide Toull. Dr. Civ. Fr. tit. prel. s. 1, n. 4; 1 Bouv. Inst. n. 1-3.

2. Law is generally divided into four principle classes, namely; Natural law, the law of nations, public law, and private or civil law. When considered in relation to its origin, it is statute law or common law. When examined as to its different systems it is divided into civil law, common law, canon law. When applied to objects, it is civil, criminal, or penal. It is also divided into natural law and positive law. Into written law, lex scripta; and unwritten law, lex non scripta. Into law merchant, martial law, municipal law, and foreign law. When considered as to their duration, laws are immutable and arbitrary or positive; when as their effect, they are prospective and retrospective. These will be separately considered.

Randy
Words are weapons.
If you know not the meanings of the words, you are without a shield.

[Vortex]

What is a LICENSE?

Source: Bouvier's Law Dictionary 1856 Edition

LICENSE, contracts. A right given by some competent authority to do an act, which without such authority would be illegal. The instrument or writing which secures this right, is also called a license. Vide Ayl. Parerg, 353; 15 Vin. Ab. 92; Ang. Wat. Co. 61, 85.

The "competent authority" is going to allow the license holder to commit illegal acts because they asked and obtained a license.

2. A license is express or implied. An express license is one which in direct terms authorizes the performance of a certain act; as a license to keep a tavern given by public authority.

3. An implied license is one which though not expressly given, may be presumed from the acts of the party having a right to give it. The following are examples of such licenses: 1. When a man knocks at another's door, and it is opened, the act of opening the door licenses the former to enter the house for any lawful purpose. See Hob. 62. A servant is, in consequence of his employment, licensed to admit to the house, those who come on his master's business, but only such persons. Selw. N. P. 999; Cro. Eliz. 246. It may, however, be inferred from circumstances that the servant has authority to invite whom he pleases to the house, for lawful purposes. See 2 Greenl. Ev. §427; Entry.

4. A license is either a bare authority, without interest, or it is coupled with an interest. 1. A bare license must be executed by the party to whom it is given in person, and cannot be made over or assigned by him to another; and, being without consideration, may be revoked at pleasure, as long as it remains executory; 39 Hen. VI. M. 12, page 7; but when carried into effect, either partially or altogether, it can only be rescinded, if in its nature it will admit of revocation, by placing the other side in the same situation in which he stood before he entered on its execution. 8 East, R. 308; Palm. 71; S. C. Poph. 151; S. C. 2 Roll. Rep. 143, 152.

5. - 2. When the license is coupled with an interest the authority conferred is not properly a mere permission, but amounts to a grant, which cannot be revoked, and it may then be assigned to a third person. 5 Hen. V., M. 1, page 1; 2 Mod. 317; 7 Bing. 693; 8 East, 309; 5 B. & C. 221; 7 D. & R. 783; Crabb on R. P. §521 to 525; 14 S. & R 267; 4 S. & R. 241; 2 Eq. Cas. Ab. 522. When the license is coupled with an interest, the formalities essential to confer such interest should be observed. Say. R. 3; 6 East, R. 602; 8 East, R. 310, note. See 14 S. & R. 267; 4 S. & R. 241; 2 Eq. Cas. Ab. 522; 11 Ad. & El. 34, 39; S. C. 39 Eng, C. L. R. 19.

[VestnikRA]

Vortex, why so many words?
May be you clarify your point briefly?
I can't get to it.

[Vortex]

Vortex, why so many words?
May be you clarify your point briefly?
I can't get to it.

Your question is about "Personal Freedom" ..
Any answer to your question "is it possible?" must be a legal answer,
else the law would have to be abolished first.

It matters not what anyone thinks or believes "Personal Freedom" means.
In law it means what the definitions say it means. I posted the words
needed (so not all) to begin to know what "Personal Freedom" means legally.

"Why so many words?" That's how you figure out the meaning of the phase
words "Personal Freedom" .. I didn't put in all the X-Ref definitions.
Yes I agree , but this is how law works.. every single
word / phase has a legalese meaning. You can never ASSUME you know
the meaning of ANY word and thus must look up every word's meaning.

In the law dictionary the letter A is defined .. HELLO !!!

For an example, the word Admiral in the 1856 edition,
ADMIRAL, officer. In some countries is the commander in chief of the naval forces. This office does not exist in the United States.

I don't know about before the civil war.
President Abraham Lincoln, on July 30, 1862, appointed Elie A. F. Lavallette to Rear Admiral which happened after the publication of the dictionary in 1856.

The word PASSENGER has 23 definitions, totaling over 3000 words
The above 3000 words are why you have fellow travelers in your car.

The word PLEA, has 2869 words to define it (5.25 pages long).
Talk about a loaded question: "How do you PLEA?"

As you can see from the number of words used in definitions, there is
not a brief answer when it comes to legal meaning.

Keep asking questions, do not take my word, do your own research
Randy

[VestnikRA]

Vortex, lets keep it simple. I don expect from you to give a legal answer.
Can you just GIVE an answer? Any answer, which you feel is right relying on your common sense?

[barbosi]

Although the concept is simple, is hard to chew it at first.
First, one may start with YouTube - John Harris - It's an illusion Part 1/5
Later he could search for facts if this is applicable in his country.
There is no two-word explanation, but the information is out there available for research.

[VestnikRA]

Good link, thanks for posting!

[Vortex]

You can not obtain answers you seek by asking the wrong questions.

Common sense is based upon common knowledge. If the common knowledge
is based upon false information then, of what valve, is that common sense?
Common sense based on false information therefore becomes the enemy of sane and rational thought.

Did not common sense get us here?

The current common sense by the common (majority) people supports the
the current status quo in an environment where there is a need
to ask the question about personal freedom.

Is not common sense faulty? (if so, you must ask Why)

For Example:
Common sense would tell you Social Security or Social Security Disability Insurance is a scam.

The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that Social Security is not insurance or a pension,
no one has any legal right to Social Security benefits,
Congress can cut or eliminate benefits at any time. This information is not common knowledge and
therefore is not included in common sense. The common sense as it is
applied to Social Security is faulty (invalid) because it is based upon
false information and/or lack of information (same difference)

I say personal freedom was real and did exist at one time.

The legal has pulled a veil over personal freedom.
The legal has covered up and removed it from view.

This has be done using only words and enforced by the legal.

In a Republican government, personal freedom can exist.
In a Democracy, personal freedom can never exist because the
majority forces the minority to do as the majority tells them.

The US is not a democracy unless everyone allows their common (majority)
sense (knowledge based on false information) to tell them it is a democracy.

Each time someone uses that word,
democracy as though the US is a democracy is feeding you false information upon which your common sense is based.
Hammered over and over, "democracy", to believe an untruth. This allows
personal freedom to be taken away.
The single word Republic allows freedom, the constitution only defines what
that Republic looks like.
A democratic constitution is meaningless because the majority takes away
the freedom of the minority or changes the constitution.


SOCIETY. A society is a number of persons united together by mutual consent, in order to deliberate, determine, and act jointly for some common purpose.

2. Societies are either incorporated and known to the law, or unincorporated, of which the law does not generally take notice.

3. By civil society is usually understood a state, (q. v.) a nation, (q. v.) or a body politic. (q. v.) Rutherf. Inst. c. 1 and 2.

4. In the civil law, by society is meant a partnership. Inst. 3, 26; Dig. 17, 2 Code, 4, 37.

A society must be incorporated to be known to the law,
which means society is a corporation and
Corporations are divided into public and private, therefore
a Society is a public corporation.
I thus conclude:
Being a member of a civil society is to be an employee of that public corporation (society).

The law does not generally apply to unincorporated societies.

[VestnikRA]

OK, Vortex, I got your point.

May be someone else wish to make other comments?