What's your oponion about Hell?

[Jan H]

wow this stuff is really digging deep! first time i noticed this forum here. (new guy )

but a first reaction to the topic start: you basically state: there is evil people, so there must be a place for them to receive punishment.

But as I read that, it is being transformed in my head to: There is evil people, so i WANT there to be a place for them to receive punishment.

I find it a weird way of drawing conclusions, to be honest.
Maybe it's just me

Anyway something else to think about:
What would heaven be without hell? Why would you believe there is a heaven, but no hell.
no high without a low, no positive without a negative, ying yang... etc.

well, maybe i'm just blabbering, but it is what comes to mind, or this stuff is just way over my head

[elias]

Hell exists for evil ones

Hi,

I believe that those who do evil ATTRACT HELL. and Hell exists because of the wrong doing they are offering ignorantly. Hell is the product of absence and it is not a creation but it a result of lacking.

I now think that there maybe a permanent Hell, for those who spread war, and do evil, but most of the people would be purified and returned to paradise. The actual Hell for those people is the fact that they have killed their true selves. (have gone so far that no light shines anymore through them, they have inhibited it by their free will)

I personally think that it is not fair if no Hell existed, fairness is a feature of this universe, and it is a law. Almost everyone knows intuitively that wrongdoers are not at all equal to the right ones.

Elias

[dannyboybell]

Just curious...

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Who is evil? Who is the wrongdoer?

The person who killed someone or that persons dad who abused them when the person was a kid or that dads mother who was on drugs and neglected her son cause she never had any love from her parents or.......

It seems that people who have been punished all their life since birth(without choosing where to be born and by whom) end up being punished by the system(or God in some ppls mind) for being punished...

A dog bites a kid. Who to kill? The dog or the dog owner?


Compassion anyone?


Danny

[elias]

...

Who is evil? Who is the wrongdoer?

The person who killed someone or that persons dad who abused them when the person was a kid or that dads mother who was on drugs and neglected her son cause she never had any love from her parents or.......

It seems that people who have been punished all their life since birth(without choosing where to be born and by whom) end up being punished by the system(or God in some ppls mind) for being punished...

A dog bites a kid. Who to kill? The dog or the dog owner?


Compassion anyone?


Danny

Well, Danny,

We must agree, that justice is one of the main elements of this universe. All of us intuitively understand that a child which have gone through such disasters, was not responsible. The parents may indeed receive what they attracted, and the child would also recover what was taken from him/her after death or in this world completely.

I don't think that someone who spreads war is like a dog (dog is innocent), a dog will never be punished because of biting because it is its nature, it has no choice. Animals and humans are very different, in nature. Humans can speak, reason, ask, laugh ... (I have not encountered a laughing animal yet ). They have the ability to chose what to do. Why some people are termed as ignorant people? The main reason is that they have forgotten to be curious to ask. They only resemble talking animals.(forgive me dear animals, you are worth much more than that ) Some other people are not only ignorant, but their ignorance results in harming others (Including the whole creation). An atomic bomb maybe an example. They are indeed going to be punished because of not choosing to be a true human beings (they could choose not to behave that way).

For someone who kills millions of people, (anyhow, by using bombs, by vaccines, ...) this planet and this world cannot serve as a place to get back what he has put out to the world, (he has killed millions, but can he be sentenced to death a million times? not considering the disasters that atomic bombs cause to people which propagate exponentially by inheritance) but after death he would eventually get back what he put out. (He may only get a part of it before death).

I personally do not want anyone to go to hell at all, but everyone is responsible for himself only. They go there because the attract it to themselves.

I cannot think of any better explanation other than this at the moment ....

Thanks for opening up the discussion ...

I really love everyone in this forum with all my heart ...

Elias

[future pather]

This Bible quote comes to mind :

But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'[a] For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.

Matthew 9:13

(Bible Search for the NIV, TNIV, NIrV, KJV and NLT Bible)

If there is any central theme to the NT I would say it is about treating others well.

What is the purpose of warnings in it, references to God being "jealous," warnings not to sin, etc.?

To learn to treat others well.

In my mind this would be the purpose of any hellish experience, either on Earth or otherwise.

Obviously Jesus has tons of compassion and recognizes that we are all tempted to do otherwise from time to time.

This is supposed to be the purpose of God manifesting on Earth (if you believe that is the role of Jesus) - to experience the temptations we go through to be able to identify.

Here is another one I'm thinking of now :

If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?

Matthew 5:46

This means that Jesus knows how hard it is to turn the other cheek, etc. but he is saying that is the spiritual challenge of life. It is easy to treat others well when they do the same for us.

The challenge is to treat others well even when it is difficult to do so.

I don't personally believe in getting too into martyrdom, but I do think it is important to do the right thing whenever possible even though it can be very challenging.

XO Jessica

[adam ant]

i have an "answer" to your question, but im debating to say it or not. it would be highly controversial, and i am not entirely sure that i accept it myself.


to give a little hint, hell/hades was/is a place physically on the earth.

[future pather]

Bryan,

Ah I think you are talking about something in the e-book you posted on the coral castle thread.

There is so much there I keep checking out a little part here and there. . .

Please do write what you are talking about, whether you believe it or not we can all learn by discussing the possability.

Jessica

[elias]

i have an "answer" to your question, but im debating to say it or not. it would be highly controversial, and i am not entirely sure that i accept it myself.


to give a little hint, hell/hades was/is a place physically on the earth.

Well,

You must have at least some evidence or reasoning behind your claim.
Eager to hear.

Elias

[Aaron]

Hell location

Hell is a reference to a big burning pit of garbage by Jerusalem. Dead bodies of the wicked used to be added to it in addition to garbage and it became the symbolic place where the wicked go to get burned. That is where today's concept came from.

This is not to say there isn't a realm in this universe where it is hellish...either self imposed or innately so.

[Keoi]

What of Hell

If you are really interested in Hell, you can read lots of information here with many different perspectives. I would also recommend that a person would be wise to learn at least a little about each one of these different belief systems to get a full understanding of why each group sees it they way they do.

Hell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[sterlingpg]

Yes

Hell is a reference to a big burning pit of garbage by Jerusalem. Dead bodies of the wicked used to be added to it in addition to garbage and it became the symbolic place where the wicked go to get burned. That is where today's concept came from.

This is not to say there isn't a realm in this universe where it is hellish...either self imposed or innately so.

And it was called Ge'henna before 'hell' became much more commonly used.

[elias]

And it was called Ge'henna before 'hell' became much more commonly used.

What a similarity! It is called Jahannam in Arabic, and Doozakh in Persian.

[zartgirl]

(I have not encountered a laughing animal yet ).

Just reading down through this again, as I hadn't read it in a while, and had to just add my two cents worth! Actually, animals do laugh! I started to notice this when my X came home one night (he is an elected official ) and he had been out politicing before an election. There was a huge crack in the sidewalk, and he tripped over it and fell down... As he was laying on the ground with a spranged ankle in pain, there was a small dog in a fenced yard that was standing next to the fence laughing at him! Just laughing as hard as he could and quite loud! My X did not know how to react cause he was in so much pain, but it was actually quite funny to see this dog laughing at him. A couple days later we heard or read in the news that a study was done and dogs to laugh. I started watching for it in my 3 dogs, and you know... They do laugh! My Toy poodle would either bite or try to bite my X and then laugh about it! She hated him! Unfortunately, I had to find her and another dog another home when I left the X. My big dog who still lives there loves to smile at you! He also thinks I talk dog! He is constantly trying to talk to me... The sad thing is I often am the only one who knows what he wants, so he always would come to me. Don't underestimate animals!

zartgirl Sj

[zartgirl]

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Who is evil? Who is the wrongdoer?

The person who killed someone or that persons dad who abused them when the person was a kid or that dads mother who was on drugs and neglected her son cause she never had any love from her parents or.......

It seems that people who have been punished all their life since birth(without choosing where to be born and by whom) end up being punished by the system(or God in some ppls mind) for being punished...

A dog bites a kid. Who to kill? The dog or the dog owner?


Compassion anyone?


Danny

Hmmmm... How to state this? Well for starters one of the conditions I have to stay living at the Domestic violence shelter is one to have been a victim and two I have to attend group therapy meetings held here once a week... When I moved in here, I was given what they refer to the domestic violence bible. It is a book designed to help women in this situation not repeat the situation, and was written by a man who treats abusers... He is an expert in abuse recovery... Most abusers were not abused as children, that is actually a myth. Men (I know there are some women who abuse men too and this would apply to them also) who abuse women have taught or learned beliefs either from their father, but not necessarily or circle of influence like maybe some college buddies. It is an attitude of control / ownership. The amazing thing is that there are tribes in Africa who have no western influence and a belief system of equality between the sexes who have little or no domestic violence... until television or western influence is introduced to them. That to me was amazing! There are abusers who have been abused as kids, but the majority have not been... Although they will claim to have been, but when put through lie detector test... they have not been. Most men who were abused as boys grow up with the idea that the would never want to put another person through what they went through!

Okay, that said... After I got here, I chose to no longer be a victim... 1 as in I chose not to remain in that relationship, but more importantly on another level completely... A spiritual level! The LOA says that you will attract to you what you put the most feelings into... Therefore if you are afraid of being a victim then you will become one, because fear is a powerful attractor! But to take it to another level we all have a physical side and a spiritual side and both of those sides are one... The spiritual side is our true self or our Extended self! Our extended self creates limilting situations in each of our life games, and from those we can choose to grow, or stay put or whatever... In my life game being abused was one of those limiting situations that I as in my extended or spiritual self created for me to use, and it took a long time, but eventually because of the abuse and the hardships I have been through I have come to a place where I am remembering my true self! So if it is the case that my X husband who was playing an assigned part in my holographic universe that has brought me to a place of peace and understanding beyond anything imaginable... EVIL? Well it is kind of funny, since I have grown and remembered who I am HE is no longer allowed to abuse me! I have no desire to go back to him, but I have rewritten all his lines and his part in my life such that he is what I want him to be! I am doing that with everyone who has a part in my life hologram now. My daughter asked me since they have their own life hologram, what if they do not like my rewrite... My answer was then they can quit being in my life hologram!

My point is who am I to judge who is evil / bad and who is good? We are all just here on a journey to remember who we are! We are all one! And we all write the scripts for our holographic movie that our physical self lives out... I think it is easier for someone who has been in that seemingly bad situation to say that it was good and something I can be grateful for than someone who looks on with horror at where I have been and what situations I have lived through! I CREATED IT ALL! Just as you are creating everything in your life! Rejoice and be glad in it! Gratitude is the key for remembering who we really are!

zartgirl

[elias]

Just reading down through this again, as I hadn't read it in a while, and had to just add my two cents worth! Actually, animals do laugh! I started to notice this when my X came home one night (he is an elected official ) and he had been out politicing before an election. There was a huge crack in the sidewalk, and he tripped over it and fell down... As he was laying on the ground with a spranged ankle in pain, there was a small dog in a fenced yard that was standing next to the fence laughing at him! Just laughing as hard as he could and quite loud! My X did not know how to react cause he was in so much pain, but it was actually quite funny to see this dog laughing at him. A couple days later we heard or read in the news that a study was done and dogs to laugh. I started watching for it in my 3 dogs, and you know... They do laugh! My Toy poodle would either bite or try to bite my X and then laugh about it! She hated him! Unfortunately, I had to find her and another dog another home when I left the X. My big dog who still lives there loves to smile at you! He also thinks I talk dog! He is constantly trying to talk to me... The sad thing is I often am the only one who knows what he wants, so he always would come to me. Don't underestimate animals!

zartgirl Sj

It is very interesting, I never underestimated the animals.
BTW their was a massive Dolphine suicide in southern coasts of Iran this week (about 150 Dolphins). Dolphins are highly intelligent animals, and I don't think that they do this for no reason. Maybe they are warning the humans of their unjust behavior with the planet, Or maybe their navigation system has gone wild because of all the electromagnetic waves of the ships and naves on that region.

Elias