Bedini SG

[ren]

peper you may also be interested in the design of this motor.

GEMINI ELECTRIC MOTOR

@ Aaron, cant wait to see the vid and perhaps learn more about the other mods! Im stuck at work and youtube is blocked! Doh!

[peper10]

I ren!!!
You got my point there ...
I want to used the BOTH of them.
I made some test tonight having both side of the magnet surrounding the coil
and it make a BIG difference for the output voltage.
I test then the pulling force and i come with decent results.
i gonna push the testing ferther to see if monted on a rotor, i can produce
more voltage..By now i just make my test without having the circuit done.
Talk to you later.......
peper10

[peper10]

BY the way Ren!!!!!!
I saw your page and it seam to be near of what i want to use.
But you saw the principal of my idea,and ,iwant to apply it to the sg circuit.
The same srtup as Sephiroth,but the rotor gonna surround the coils..
I think you get a betther idea of what it is gonna look like..

Talk to you later.
peper10

[Sephiroth]

since we are comparing desing ideas I had here is what I had in mid for a double rotor... doublerotor.jpg



I found that alot of energy can be captured with a window coil placed behind the coils as well so I thought I might place recovery coils on the outside of the rotors...

definatly will be my next build when I have the time and cash! lol

just saw your vid aaron! looks really interesting! I will try that tonight! will let you know the results!

[elias]

Impressive

Hi

I totally agree that this configuration seems to produce more energy, because much better turn off of the coils, and the much sharper and narrower turn on of the coil, and the much stronger attraction to the real south, instead of the scalar south.

But, what about the neo magnets? Neo magnets should work better and produce more torque. The problem with the neo magnets in the monopole was the fact that they were too strong for triggering the transistor and, turning the transistor on and off, was not very good. But in this configuration I suppose that they should work well. Just I don't know if we can glue them on the same sides, because they are so strong!

Aaron, just can't wait to hear about the other modifications.

What I am seeing is that, this Bedini machine is going to transform onto a power plant!

Elias

[Jetijs]

Thank you Aaron!
I will test this in out because I can rearrange the magnets easily. A great concept. I waited long time for Kevin to release this info.

[Jetijs]

BTW, the other modification could be the ground wire with a diode connected to the charging battery + terminal, so that no current can flow from the + terminal to ground, but some of the aether or radiant can be pulled from the ground with each coil pulse
But I am eager to know if there is something else?

[theremart]

I love the ideas that are comming from here!

I am thinking about the neos...

Could not one simply put a reed switch on the trigger coil and use that to trigger the transistor? Then you could move it back father so it would trigger only at a certain time. I see that someone on Youtube has done this.


Last night I made a coil that is in a U shaped I then attempted to use it with a wheel as a pulse motor to use both north and south poles. Got too sleepy to really test it out

[Sephiroth]

theremart - yeah, I think i have seen ktservicescorp seems to prefer the reed switch. Could be good since it is quite common for mechanical switching to be superior to semiconductors when dealing with radiant... perhaps it is a faster on off time or just better conduction?

But i thought the main problem with the neos is that they permanently magnetise the core?

nice coil! good luck with it!

[stonewater]

magnet placement

hi everyone,

an interesting video. I do have some points I want to place here. JB has said we want a radiant harvester, not an electron pusher. that is why on the BM3 yahoo forum, they recommend lowest current draw for highest RPM. in fact the test they use is by placing a 1ohm 1/2 watt resistor in place of the charge battery, running the sg and making sure it is tuned so the resistor does NOT heat up. no current flowing! the higher your current draw, the less radiant you will be harvesting. the magnet is just a switch. the scalar north configuration provides a sharper gradiant, therefore a sharper switch. Rick Friedrich has built a self runner SG using north south alternating magnets already. if you look at John Bedinis website, you will see the diagrams of the scalar south, just as drawn in the video, with the caveate of the south going all the way to the center of the rotor. . it is in the center of the rotor go here Welcome to John Bedini not at all trying to diminish kevins work. what I am after is a sg that draws low current, at high rpm. my current unit only draws .5 amps, with 8 power coils! with that being said, I am going to build a rotor as described, and I will post my results here, testing will take some time.

[Aaron]

neos

I have always thought neos work fine as long as the gap is wide enough.

Hi

I totally agree that this configuration seems to produce more energy, because much better turn off of the coils, and the much sharper and narrower turn on of the coil, and the much stronger attraction to the real south, instead of the scalar south.

But, what about the neo magnets? Neo magnets should work better and produce more torque. The problem with the neo magnets in the monopole was the fact that they were too strong for triggering the transistor and, turning the transistor on and off, was not very good. But in this configuration I suppose that they should work well. Just I don't know if we can glue them on the same sides, because they are so strong!

Aaron, just can't wait to hear about the other modifications.

What I am seeing is that, this Bedini machine is going to transform onto a power plant!

Elias

[peper10]

THEREMARTyou are the man!!!!
That just what i needed for my setup!!!
Coil arrange like that gonna save me a lot of trouble.
I can put 3 coils like you're arrange like seph and spread them to have the
magnets pass inbetwen the coils.

Thanks for sharing that!!!!
peper10

[Aaron]

other Bedini SG modification

BTW, the other modification could be the ground wire with a diode connected to the charging battery + terminal, so that no current can flow from the + terminal to ground, but some of the aether or radiant can be pulled from the ground with each coil pulse
But I am eager to know if there is something else?

You must be using the PATHS intuitive module!

That is the other modification. I have had unpredictable results with it as it seems to do its own think on its own rhythm. This is what Kevin was using in conjunction with his entire setup and of course with the magnet configuration.

There IS something else that I want to point out but I'm going to do it in a way as to challenge people to look at Bedini's schematics. We should start a new thread for ground rod applications with the SG and possibly the attraction motors, which I have no idea what the combination will do. Anyway, to keep this thread focus on the overall SG. Maybe someone can get a magnet configuration thread started.

[Aaron]

reed switch

I am thinking about the neos...

Could not one simply put a reed switch on the trigger coil and use that to trigger the transistor? Then you could move it back father so it would trigger only at a certain time. I see that someone on Youtube has done this.


Last night I made a coil that is in a U shaped I then attempted to use it with a wheel as a pulse motor to use both north and south poles. Got too sleepy to really test it out

You can use the reed switch. I just see the regular circuit as a perfect self timing circuit that demonstrates a type of self ordering in my opinion. Maybe with the reed switch triggering a little early, it is possible to overcome the problem when magnet spacing is too slow and it keeps the rpm down. I've only played with reed switches on pendulums.

[Aaron]

virtual fields

hi everyone,

an interesting video. I do have some points I want to place here. JB has said we want a radiant harvester, not an electron pusher. that is why on the BM3 yahoo forum, they recommend lowest current draw for highest RPM. in fact the test they use is by placing a 1ohm 1/2 watt resistor in place of the charge battery, running the sg and making sure it is tuned so the resistor does NOT heat up. no current flowing! the higher your current draw, the less radiant you will be harvesting. the magnet is just a switch. the scalar north configuration provides a sharper gradiant, therefore a sharper switch. Rick Friedrich has built a self runner SG using north south alternating magnets already. if you look at John Bedinis website, you will see the diagrams of the scalar south, just as drawn in the video, with the caveate of the south going all the way to the center of the rotor. . it is in the center of the rotor go here Welcome to John Bedini not at all trying to diminish kevins work. what I am after is a sg that draws low current, at high rpm. my current unit only draws .5 amps, with 8 power coils! with that being said, I am going to build a rotor as described, and I will post my results here, testing will take some time.

Hi Stonewater, if you look at even the basic magnet configuration of a simple roller skate rotor SG with magnets north facing out every 90 degrees, 120 degrees, etc... they have actually ALWAYS been NORTH/SOUTH alternating...the south is a virtual south squeezing out between the north faces.

All the alternating north south magnets did is give each field equal strength as real fields. What I believe is left out in the "self runner" concept of charging the input battery with any kind of output is that it will eventually destroy the battery. I have been able to take direct output from the system and put it to the input and have the battery voltage climb as you see in that demo and it causes a fluffy voltage charge. Let's see that motor run for a whole week non-stop The battery likes to power or be charged but not both at the same time.

Like I said I didn't want anyone on a wild goose chase with this magnet configuration but if it is easy enough to do for you then great. There are a lot of people who already have the magnets glued together and plenty of people who simply have them taped around a rotor, which would be easy enough to rotate 90 degrees for the cost of a little time and tape or whatever.

This is my highest rpm version. As long as the coils are small enough to fully charge and discharge at a fast speed before the next magnet comes, you can get really high rpm. YouTube - John Bedini SG - 5000rpm draws 1amp, 10,000rpm draws 200ma this one is 10,000 rpm and it isn't tuned very good.

Sounds like you have a great setup!