The American Ruling Class

[ashtweth]

Thanks for posting Rick its relative for the sites research. I am just finishing research on a Doc that shows 3% of the gold mined for Africa is returned. Plus many others of their natural resources are marauded and pillaged buy the ruling class. Gotta start with education i guess.

Ash

[rickoff]

Hehehe only in America

The Ponzi family is demanding that federal prosecutors stop using their name to describe Madoff's crimes

American Politics Journal - Ponzi Estate Sues Federal Prosecutors For Slander

Hi Steve,

The name, "Ponzi scheme," is of course a reference to Charles Ponzi, the man who supposedly was the first (at least on a large scale) to sucker investors into unknowingly making investments in a pyramid scheme. Ponzi was not the first to use such a scheme, however, and his 7 million dollar swindle looks like peanuts compared to Madoff's 50 billion dollar take. Therefore, I can see why the Ponzi family is irked. Ponzi came to the US from Italy with only $2.50 in his pocket, and later was arrested and served 3 years in prison for forging a check. You would think that potential investors would have been more wary because of Ponzi's past, but their greed was what motivated them. Ponzi ran ads stating that he would pay investors a 50% interest in just 45 days, and of course people should have realized that was just too good to be true. He actually did pay early investors, but with money that came in from future investors once the word spread that Ponzi had paid up as promised. Now of course anyone who thinks they are making money hand over fist isn't going to cash in right away, so most people just left their money to grow, thinking they would become wealthy in a year or two. And that's the same kind of euphoria that Madoff's investors believed in. The difference is that Madoff was well known on Wall Street as a supposedly respectable businessman, having served as NASDAQ chairman, and operating a legitimate investment firm for several years. He was clever enough to refine the Ponzi scheme into something that truly had the appearance of being a remarkable series of wisely chosen and high yielding investments. If not for the deepening recession, and people choosing to pull their money out of the stock markets, Madoff might have been able to continue his deception for several more years. Madoff was definitely one of the powerful elite, and a member of the American Ruling Class. Like others of the Ruling Class, he contributed large sums of money to candidates in both the Democrat and Republican parties. When the scandal broke, a few senators quickly released their takes to be distributed to victims of Madoff's swindle, but many more politicians did not. Very few of Madoff's investors will ever see a dime of their investments returned, but what about Madoff - does he get to keep his several lavish estates for his family? And what of his legitimate Wall Street business? Can that be dissolved and the proceeds used to pay back swindled investors, or is his business a separate entity that is protected from that use? I haven't heard or seen the answers to these questions yet, but it would certainly be interesting to learn the truth.

Incidentally, after reading the article you provided a link to, I am now wondering where the Ponzi descendants came up with millions of dollars to invest with Madoff. Could it be that they were able somehow to hold onto a large part of the 7 million dollar fortune that Charles swindled his investors out of? If so then the adage, "what goes around comes around" would certainly hold true in this case, and also be well deserved.

Rick

[yoyo]

From Worldreports.org Christopher Story

WANTA AND MADOFF: OUTLETS FOR BUSH CRIME SYNDICATE MONIES
The Bush Crime Syndicate, of course, had multiple outlets for the stealing, placement, distribution, and laundering of the vast flow of hijacked funds that it handled, of which the Madoff enterprise was one – a point that needs to be borne in mind, so that the moribund Wanta situation is seen in its proper perspective. On 9th July 2009, it was reported that Irving Picard, the Trustee appointed by the Manhattan Court to take charge of identifying assets to compensate the victims, had stated that his investigations had ‘unearthed a labyrinth of interrelated international funds, institutions and entities of almost unparalleled complexity and breadth’.

Specifically, Mr Picard revealed that stolen assets had been identified in Britain, Ireland, France, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Spain, Gibraltar, Bermuda, the British Virgin Islands, the Cayman Islands and the Bahamas. Mr Picard has despatched more than 230 subpoenas seeking overseas records and has received more than 15,400 claims against Madoff and his defunct Ponzi network. As in the case of the ‘Wanta’ accounts, the funds that Mr Picard is chasing are in fact ‘Bush Crime Syndicate’ funds, as Madoff was used as a key conduit for the dispersion of stolen funds (in accordance with the classic Ponzi model).

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Security?

yoyo;

Thanks for the link; very interesting, though a bit loquacious.

Here's another very interesting excerpt.

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This should come as no real surprise since the cynical spooks even assert this 'in-your-face' by advertising 'INTEL INSIDE', which says exactly what it means. More specifically, NSA have made great strides in this direction by having a back door built into Microsoft VISTA. Certain computers, especially those labelled with the logo of the 'fully collaborating' firm Hewlett Packard, have hard-core setups which facilitate the remote monitoring and controlling of personal computers by NSA, Fort Meade. We now understand that if you are using VISTA* you MUST NOT enable 'file and printer sharing' under any circumstances. If you say 'YES', so to speak, to 'file and printer sharing', your computer becomes a slave at once to NSA's master computers. DO NOT ENABLE SHARING.

Unfortunately, this abomination is so far advanced that this may not be the only precaution that needs to be taken. As long as Microsoft continues its extensive cooperation with NSA and the NSC (National Security Council), the spying system which assists the criminalised structures, and thus hitherto the Bush-Clinton 'Box Gang' and its connections, with their fraudulent finance operations, NSA may be able to steal data from your computer. The colossal scourge of data theft is associated with this state of affairs: data stolen usually include Credit Card data, which the kleptocracy regards as almost as good as real estate for hypothecation purposes. Even so, you can make life very much more problematical for these utterly odious people by NOT USING U.S.-sourced so-called Internet Security and anti-virus software. Having been attacked and abused so often, we offer a solution.

Al

[rickoff]

The rich don't always get richer

Wealth equates directly to "power". Whether that power is used to maintain independence or peace of mind, it is a direct impediment to the ruling class's plans of complete domination. Therefore, wealth is stolen from us at every opportunity. It's no accident that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
Ted

Hi Ted,

Thanks for your post. You made some good points. We have all heard the saying, "the rich get richer while the poor get poorer," and this certainly seems to be somewhat true. It seems to fit well with another saying - "it takes money to make money." Most of us, as mere peons in the overall scheme of things, would consider that the "rich" could be broadly defined as being any individuals or families who have a net worth of a million dollars or more. We are exposed to glimpses of such persons every day, in the form of Hollywood stars, recording artists, sports icons, and other celebrities who have practically made their fortunes overnight, and who spend them almost as quickly to live life in the luxury fast lane. It was precisely this group of "rich" people that lost the most through Madoff's ponzi scheme swindle. These rich people, certainly wealthy by our standards, were expecting to become richer through their investments with Madoff, and many of them were talked into investing their entire wealth, which of course was subsequently lost when Madoff's scheme collapsed. This shows, of course, that simply being wealthy does not buy membership into the American Ruling Class, where a code of "honor amongst thieves" exists which will not allow members to scam other members of the powerful elite. The rich and famous people that we are bombarded with on television and in media tabloids are just small fish to the power elite sharks who have amassed obscene fortunes, and who either own or control every facet of our lives. You are right, Ted, in saying that these power hungry slave masters will not be willing to give up their stranglehold control over energy, as that is no doubt their greatest asset. Historically, control of energy assets could be likened to a perpetual motion machine of which the input is sucking in vast amounts of humanity's dispersed wealth, and the output is a constantly converging stream of unimaginable wealth that is funneled and directed into the hands and pockets of a relatively small number of people in this world who hold the actual purse strings. It is going to be very tough to develop and deploy affordable free energy devices to the masses, but it is something we must continue to strive to do, and success in that endeavor is no doubt one of the strongest weapons that we can hope to bring to bear against those who have for so long suppressed and oppressed us.

Best to all,

Rick

[Matthew Jones]

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Thats probably not the truth. I lived 15 minutes from NSA for 12 years and 2 years prior to that I lived just out of the buildings shadow on Fort Meade MD.
I know personally alot of people who have worked there. I have worked in the building along with alot of people I know. They are the largest employer in the state of MD.
Alot of people believe that because they have taps into communications lines and such that they have free rain to monitor you or anybody they want. Thats just not the truth. They have many FISA lawyers who file warrants and such continually. They aren't some black organization of people unchecked and unregulated. They primarily decode foreign communications and do linguistic work and the like...

Matt

[Mozaar]

Nice thread!
I used to be a huge fan of these conspiracies, powers that be and so on. At the end the question comes "Well, what are you going to do about it?"
I flirt with these concepts in my blog but what I really want people to understand is fighting these forces head on would mean death. Not could mean death. Thus if you are preaching about it, driving up fears and anxiety you pretty have nothing to worry about. If you are strong, mental and spiritually, you are a goner. Now, thats a good thing. To be totally of the spirit is a good thing but adhering to spritual beliefs when you have this body is what we are here for anyway. Its kinda like polishing a rough stone in the tumultuous sea.
When man rules man. Man gets screwed.

[jibbguy]

i was never very swayed by that fear stuff... it only seems to work on those who could possibly be intimidated by pointless threats. When you view this as it is, its hard to get very scared over it

And we are doing something right here in this forum and many other places... Doing much more than they are happy to see being done... We are putting a great deal of pressure on some who don't like being pressured... Too friggin bad: They are going to disclose on Free Energy and many other things anyway whether they like it or not, because the PEOPLE OF THE WORLD will make them. There are hundreds of millions of us waking up, and only handfuls of them. If i was one of them.... i would be the one scared here, hehehe.

I used to live in a world where "conspiracy" was a word synonymous and nearly always followed with the word "nut" ... That was because this word was deliberately and carefully made out to have these connotations by those who think they can control others through their thoughts, and who make a living at doing so... The idea of turning "conspiracy" in a pejorative based on derision started in the mid 1960's; to try and deflect folks from thinking too hard about the Kennedy Assassination (and Oswald's assassination by Jack Ruby right after it).... and it has gone on ever since. They really started cranking it up after 9/11 though, lol.

But the fact is, when folks get wise to these pathetic little parlor tricks, they really don't do squat... And we are not swayed by mere words and threats of doom. All they can really do to us is to make some suggestions: Which are immediately rejected for what they are.

Because true independence is the independence of thought. And any "revolution" we have is going to be a revolution of thought.. One with no bullets, but with something much more powerful.

[SkyWatcher]

Bingo! jibbguy. Well said.
peace love light
Tyson

[rickoff]

As in the case of the ‘Wanta’ accounts, the funds that Mr Picard is chasing are in fact ‘Bush Crime Syndicate’ funds

I'm glad you mentioned the Wanta accounts. The Leo Wanta story is no doubt one of the most amazing pieces of information that has ever been told. Basically, what it amounts to is that Leo Wanta is the trustor of accounts totaling more than 27 trillion dollars and belonging to the people of the United States. In contrast, our total national debt is currently about 12 trillion dollars. U.S. National Debt Clock

What's more, the story about Leo Wanta is not just a story. It is fact. President Reagan authorized Leo Wanta as the guardian of these funds, and Federal Judge Gerald Bruce Lee upheld Wanta's role as trustor in a April 15, 2003 ruling which also directed that Wanta has the authority to go after and secure these funds and return them to the Treasury of the United States. Wanta realizes that any attempt to do this would be thwarted by the Federal Reserve, and will not attempt to return the money to the Treasury until the Federal Reserve is disempowered, which can only happen by abolishment, in which case monetary control would be returned to the Treasury. Certainly we would also need to kick Federal Reserve placements, such as Geithner, out of the Treasury department.

To hear the fascinating story of Leo Wanta in his own words, download the following two mp3 files:
Greg Szymanski - RBN 2006-0323-Thur 1pm Hr1 Leo Wanta: Free MP3 Download

Greg Szymanski - RBN 2006-0323-Thur 1pm Hr2 Leo Wanta: Free MP3 Download

These mp3 files are from a talk radio show broadcast done in March of 2006. They do include advertisement sections, but these can be easily skipped over as each such segment is 3 minutes in duration.

Well worth a listen.

Rick

[rickoff]

I used to live in a world where "conspiracy" was a word synonymous and nearly always followed with the word "nut"

Yes, and that did work for awhile, but too many people began believing the existence of the conspiracies and were offended at being called conspiracy "nuts," so the powers that be began appending the word "theory" as a replacement. This acknowledges that many people believe in these "theories" without calling them a bunch of nut cases. The term, "theory," though, denotes the beliefs as non-quantifiable and unproven. Even though less than 20% of the US population still believed the Warren Commission Report after viewing the Zapruder film of Kennedy's assassination, and believed that there was definitely a conspiracy cover-up, the belief in a cover-up was promoted as being strictly theory. The same is true of the 911 incidents, even though the official story doesn't hold enough air to keep a birthday party balloon inflated, and in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. The spin doctors are always hard at work, arent they?

Rick

[future pather]

I think the rich focus too much on the sins of the non-rich and the non-rich focus too much on the sins of the rich.

Do people really think you can quantify sin by any population?

Anyway I had a different thought regarding this post. I wonder what will be the result of Obama now preventing the Swiss bank accounts situation. Will people move all that money back to the US and let it get taxed? Will people move out of the US?

But overall I have to look at this spiritually.

17Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?"

18But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? 19Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, 20and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?"

21"Caesar's," they replied.
Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."

Matthew 22 - Passage*Lookup - New International Version - BibleGateway.com

What this means to me is that God does intend for us to honor whoever provides our roads, schools, police force, etc.

I'm not saying those people never get corrupt, I'm just saying all people get corrupt.

But on that:

Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. 39But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God."

Acts 5 - Passage*Lookup - New International Version - BibleGateway.com

Meaning God will not let corruption get too far for too long.

I don't mean to say we are wrong for spotting any injustices out there.

Just saying I think it's possible to get too caught up in the us against them thing to where it's not productive.

We are all one

[yoyo]

Thats probably not the truth. I lived 15 minutes from NSA for 12 years and 2 years prior to that I lived just out of the buildings shadow on Fort Meade MD.
I know personally alot of people who have worked there. I have worked in the building along with alot of people I know. They are the largest employer in the state of MD.
Alot of people believe that because they have taps into communications lines and such that they have free rain to monitor you or anybody they want. Thats just not the truth. They have many FISA lawyers who file warrants and such continually. They aren't some black organization of people unchecked and unregulated. They primarily decode foreign communications and do linguistic work and the like...

Matt

Hi Matt, Seems to be a problem with some kind of "backroom" operation...

From: Obama Administration Accused Again of Concealing Bush-Era Crimes

Monday 12 October 2009

by: Matt Renner, t r u t h o u t | Report

The lawsuit centers around the Bush administration's surveillance programs, specifically the TSP, which was revealed by The New York Times in 2005. In defending the warrantless spying activities conducted by the NSA, the Bush administration said the TSP only allowed surveillance of electronic communications when one party is outside the United States and one party is suspected of being "a member or agent of al Qaeda or an associated terrorist organization," according to a letter from then-Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez.

The TSP was not administered or overseen by the special court set up by Congress to review secret surveillance activities. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) established the court as a check on the executive branch's power.

Under the TSP, the special FISA court was sidestepped, with shift supervisors at NSA - not judges in a courthouse - deciding who was an appropriate target for surveillance.

Whistleblowers have reported widespread abuse of this power. According to reports and documents, the NSA spied on UN Security Council members in the run-up to the Iraq war. Whistleblowers say the NSA monitored the personal calls of aid workers, journalists and active-duty soldiers serving in Iraq (video). Technology expert Mark Klein says that the NSA was collecting massive amounts of data traffic that passed through a major data hub in San Francisco.

yoyo

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Hi future pather, thanks for the words. You said "Just saying I think it's possible to get too caught up in the us against them thing to where it's not productive."
I understand what your getting at here, the issue in my mind are the systems that have been created that are not harmonious for humanity or the good of all. This may be why these ones still supporting these systems try to distract us from seeing and understanding how these basic systems function so as to have us looking at each other, or the puppets they install that are easily replaceable. However as Jibbguy points out, the people are awaking to these systems and there workings, and the lack and enslavement game will end. Schoolroom earth as they say.
peace love light
Tyson

[rickoff]

Obama and the Swiss bankers

I wonder what will be the result of Obama now preventing the Swiss bank accounts situation.

Actually, while Obama appears to be taking the credit for moving against the Swiss banks, the impetus to do so resulted from a mid July, 2008 standing-room only hearing on tax haven banks and tax compliance held by the US Senate’s Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations. UBS, Switzerland’s largest bank and the world’s largest private wealth manager, with $1.9 trillion in client assets and nearly 84,000 employees in fifty countries, including 32,000 in the United States, was one of two exposed in the results of the Congressional Committee’s six-month investigation. The investigation proved substantial wrongdoing by UBS and its employees, and disclosed that 54,000 accounts held by US citizens and corporations were likely being used for tax evasion purposes with direct assistance from UBS in that endeavor. UBS had been aware of the investigation during its 6 month span, of course, and was looking for ways to soften the blow of legal actions likely to occur against them afterwards. Along comes Robert Wolf, CEO of UBS Americas. Wolf emerged as Obama’s most copious cash collector in New York City, hosting two high-dollar cocktail parties, making countless calls, and harvesting more than $500,000 for Obama's presidential campaign. In the world of dirty politics and campaign finance, those who raise big bucks for a candidate are in a position to ask favors, and to expect to receive them. That's how the political machine works. UBS knew they were in big trouble, and who better to help soften the impact of the Congressional investigations of their wrongdoings than the perceived winner of the 2008 presidential race? In the end, under the Obama administration, UBS agreed to a settlement whereby they would disclose account information regarding just 4,500 accounts (about 8% of the 54,000 accounts the investigation deemed as dirty). In addition, UBS agreed to a 780 million dollar payment which admitted wrongdoing but dismissed any further claims or action against UBS or its employees. It sounds like a lot of money to us, but to UBS and its owners it is a mere slap in the wrist. If the case against UBS and the 54,000 accounts held by tax evaders had been aggressively pursued, estimates say that billions of unpaid tax revenue could have been secured by the IRS. Instead, the government agrees to a quick "settlement." Of the 4,500 accounts that will be investigated, it is not likely that investigators will turn up very much. Indeed, the Congressional report on the investigation states, “The Statement of Facts in the Birkenfeld [a UBS banker] criminal case describes additional actions taken by UBS bankers to help U.S. clients manage their Swiss accounts without alerting U.S. authorities. It states, for example, that UBS bankers advised U.S. clients to withdraw funds from their accounts using Swiss credit cards that “could not be discovered by the United States authorities”, to “destroy all off-shore banking records existing in the United States”; and to “misrepresent the receipt of funds from the Swiss bank account in the United States as loans from the Swiss Bank.”440. The Statement of facts also discloses that, on one occasion, “at the request of a U.S. client, defendant Birkenfeld purchased diamonds using that U.S. client’s Swiss bank account funds and smuggled the diamonds into the United States in a toothpaste tube,” presumably so that the U.S. client could obtain possession of his Swiss assets without alerting U.S. authorities.441. It also states that Mr. Birkenfeld and his business associate Mario Staggl “accepted bundles of checks from U.S. clients and facilitated the deposit of those checks into accounts at the Swiss bank” and elsewhere, presumably to assist the clients in making transfers to their Swiss accounts, again without alerting U.S. authorities.442"

The 4,500 affected account holders have had plenty of time, forewarning, and assistance from UBS in eliminating paper and computer trails, and shifting their assets to other locations which are not under fire. Switzerland is just one of a multitude of places where the ultra wealthy power elite has been able to hide their assets and set up corporations to avoid tax liabilities. Here's an example showing how easy it is:
Update: Swiss Bank Accounts; Tax Havens and Cheating the American Tax System Video

Incidentally, Birkenfeld, who was a whistleblower providing nearly all of the government's information in the UBS investigation, received a 40 month prison sentence, while his wealthiest tax evading client, Igor Olenicoff (a California real estate billionaire) was sentenced to two years' probation and agreed to pay $52 million in back taxes, penalties and interest. Two years probation, while whistleblower Birkenfeld gets nearly 4 years in prison? Go figure. This can only prevent other potential whistleblowers from coming forward, of course, and that can only be advantageous to those who want to stay out of the spotlight.

Rick