Gray Tube Replication

[patmac]

Aaron

Ed Gray Tube, can help us to transform radiant energy in usefull electricity?
Or well is necessary charge capacitors for example, to after be discharged on inductors to get mechanical work ?

I think this tube can create AC electricity because Bearden explains us only potential is usefull realize work. Many days ago, looking on panacea I found a document about Avramenko plug is like a ED TUBE proof of concept or like electricity transmission one wire. Avramenko document explain us how potential can get warm a screw driver meanwhile amp draw is lower.

[boguslaw]

Aaron

Ed Gray Tube, can help us to transform radiant energy in usefull electricity?
Or well is necessary charge capacitors for example, to after be discharged on inductors to get mechanical work ?

I think this tube can create AC electricity because Bearden explains us only potential is usefull realize work. Many days ago, looking on panacea I found a document about Avramenko plug is like a ED TUBE proof of concept or like electricity transmission one wire. Avramenko document explain us how potential can get warm a screw driver meanwhile amp draw is lower.

This is very interesting.I'd like to use Gray tube for creating efficient heater. Could you post a link for Avramenko document with screwdriver experiment ?

[Aaron]

relay

By the way great videos! It sounds like you are using a emergency flasher to pulse the ignition coil?

That is a typical relay that was used to charge a cap from a source then discharge it into the primary of an ignition coil. The same basic test system that was used by some of us in the Water Sparkplug thread.

[Aaron]

mechanical work from tube

Aaron

Ed Gray Tube, can help us to transform radiant energy in usefull electricity?
Or well is necessary charge capacitors for example, to after be discharged on inductors to get mechanical work ?

I think this tube can create AC electricity because Bearden explains us only potential is usefull realize work. Many days ago, looking on panacea I found a document about Avramenko plug is like a ED TUBE proof of concept or like electricity transmission one wire. Avramenko document explain us how potential can get warm a screw driver meanwhile amp draw is lower.

The output from the tube does give useful "electricity." I have pulsed a coil from the grids and it repelled a magnet a few inches. This is absolute direct conversion of radiant to mechanical work.

[patmac]

boguslaw

This is the link:
Frolov on resonant tuning and the Avramenko plug

If you look this is a great and easy to build proof of concept of Bearden's theory about potential and energy.

Aaron

Thanks, is wonderfull desmitify the great works's Ed Gray.

[Guest]

Aaron do you think there is potential in the Ed Gray tube design, as in a practical application?

I plan to build a lab soon and recreate some of Tesla's earliest proof-of-concept experiments, but was wondering wheather it would be worth it?

[Aaron]

Gray Tube practical application

Hi Paradox,

Yes, I think so

From where I have it now, what I would do is to focus on cap dumps and not the ignition coil input. Then, little by little increase what the caps are dumping in addition to seeing if charging up the LV side can add to it.

From one or two successes in repelling a magnet...which it wasn't too easy to do...conceptually, it is exactly like the schematics that have always been shown but getting the gap just right, the diode on the LV side, etc... if anything is off a bit, it is hard to get. But then again, I don't have anything tided down to tightly. The rods can move easily. I would have them threaded toward the end caps or something and a 2nd ring closer in holding them in place so they stay centered.

The output of this can turn a magnetic rotor on a shaft connected to a magneto or something. That electrical output, which very likely can be much more than what is leaving the battery input source, would be a very desirable thing. Very practical. Everything should be precision and mine isn't.

I think if people just replicated my simple experiments that I already showed on videos, they will see more progress in the next few months than the last 7 years combined of failed attempts. I say failed because I have yet to see one demo of sending HV across to the LV rod and having that potential get turned away by the diode closing and choosing the secondary path towards grids. One of my vids clearly shows that and I am surprised nobody else has archived this.

What I see is that the technology conceptually is so simple and there are two things that prevented people from getting it. One is that hardly anyone understood what the energy is and the other is that Gray's own diode diagram was reversed in his drawings - either because it was a mistake or it was intentional to throw people off from figuring it out if they saw that one simple revealing thing on what is really happening.

I'll post a diagram proving my point.

[Aaron]

Gray Tube Diode Facts

I hope that anyone interested will make use of this info. I have always known how it worked from the moment Peter's book came out (I didn't know Peter at the time) in concept and it wasn't until this summer that I learned that everyone didn't see it how I did.

I was wondering why nobody had replicated anything from the patents by then. I have seen replication claims but what they accomplished had nothing to do with what this tube is supposed to do. What helped me is that I didn't know how to read a triode diagram I assumed it was like what Bedini later showed in his diagrams because reading all the Gray stuff, etc..., none of it made sense unless the diode's cathode was pointing to the rod...in my opinion.

[Matthew Jones]

Where can you find the rest of the correct diagram? I'm just interested in looking at it.

Thanks
Matt

[Aaron]

Gray Tube diagrams

Hi Matthew,

Just about everything else is right. Peter did fill in some blanks. You can look at Bedini's diagrams:

John Bedinis' EV Gray power conversion tube - 06/05/01

You can see 4 diagrams here. Just click on the thumbnails.

[Matthew Jones]

Never ran accross that one. Thanks alot

Matt

[Shamus]

Thank you for that Aaron, there are some real gems on that page. I think I saw that page before but didn't really understand it well. It's funny but I'm really starting to see what I was missing before; it's kind of a gestalt thing that's difficult to explain.

Thanks again; excellent information (including the above)!

[Aaron]

Gray Tube Diagrams from John Bedini

Here are the pics John Bedini put in the public domain after Peter released his book. I posted them here for convenience:


The above machine is for healing purposes. I have the exact machine but capacitor is a little narrower but taller. It runs on pure aether.

[Aaron]

thoughts on Gray Tube

As a note on these diagrams, they were from from as far back as 1979 - that is 29 years ago. So the schematics are accurate but the idea that electrons are moving 90 degrees from rods may not be.

IF there is electron current, I think the electrons would be moving to the highest positive potential and not the lowest. Those descriptions on the notes may be what Ed Gray told Bedini. I never asked John about this.

Also, when the HV potential is split from the current path, it moves to a lower potential positive back to a common ground via the battery. That definitely is what is happening here and because of that, how is electron current towards the lower potential?

When the HV POTENTIAL is just sitting on on the HV rod, the distance from that rod to the grids is obviously too far for the voltage of the capacitor to jump. Otherwise, it would jump the very moment the cap reaches the breakdown voltage of that space. It does not so that is my deduction of what the distance must be...at least more distance than the voltage in the cap can jump.

To initiate the jump of the HV to anywhere, which is to the LV rod on the other side, it sees no path to ground UNTIL the commutator connects the annode of the diode to the LV battery +. THEN it sees a path to ground.

Path to ground is LV rod, through diode, through battery back to common ground shared with the HV capacitor. By the time it jumps, the diode has the reverse flow and shuts off AND/OR the commutator is unswitched to disconnect. You have a floating potential there...suspended in mid transist when the diode slams shut and that side is disconnected from the LV source (the HV's easiest path to ground - since that gap is MUCH shorter than distance from rods to grids).

Where does this orphan pure radiant potential go? It can't sink to ground through a shut off diode especially when the commutator physically disconnects that path.

It has only one place to go...the grids! Then through an inductive load to charge that coil and back to a cap (safety mechanism inserted before that potential hits a battery directly).

HOW can lets say 4000v from the HV cap go to the grids now when it couldn't get to the grids before? That is ALL TELLING! Before the LV path to ground was connected, that voltage surely was NOT able to get to the grids so it had to wait to get switched. AFTER the LV path to ground was switched and abruptly shut off, suddenly it DID have enough pressure to jump the further distance to the grids!

If the diode/triode was reversed like Gray shows, the HV discharge would not have a chance to increase in potential by any kind of compression...it would simply go from whatever potential it was to a lower potential and have no real chance of giving real performance at the coil.

That is because that potential is increasing by seriously being compressed into a blip in time - time compression..that increases the voltage and further reduces and possible current in that particular impulse.

This was brilliantly shown in the Water Sparkplug thread. I couldn't quickly find the post with the scope shots showing that the HV against a diode from a LV source increased the discharge speed. If anyone has that exact post reference, please post it here because it is very telling of what happens here as well.

It is increased enough to make that jump and be totally free of current from its initial path.

The only source of electrons flow would be from the ground or the + on the LV source. There are 2 paths this electron current flow can go to a higher potential (the higher potential is the HV + on the capacitor, the hv rod). And also from the + on battery over inductor and to the grids sitting there.

Anyway, there is a lot of ponder on the current flow itself.

[Guest]

Aaron, where are you now in terms of experiment, did you design the inductive load yet, if so would you like to share? What about changing the LV side to HV? What would be the effect?