Splitting The Positive

[bistander]

I don't think so

Cogging ...
As 1 pole draws near to a pole they resist each other ...

So you're saying that as the magnet approaches the steel pole core, they resist, which means the magnet and steel develop a force which acts to separate them.

Get a magnet and a piece of steel, move the two objects closer together and tell me they resist coming closer together.

[BroMikey]

So you're saying that as the magnet approaches the steel pole core, they resist.

I thought you gave up learning. Are you ready now? Did you watch the
video? Your preconceived notions and programming are an obstacle.

I have watched your dogmatic reasoning and how you thrown in twisted
ideas wherever it seems convenient to throw the argument.

As you watch the video's by Thane Heins you will see that motors are
talked about just as if they responded like generators. All true with our
systems today.

So many motors to evaluate and of course you will jump all over
the spectrum as the simplest types are used for illustration.

A. The earliest motors such as a starter motor have metal in the outer
pole with a magnetic field by using wire coils.

B. The rotor poles have metal and coils that a magnetic field causes.

So again inner and outer poles. What people have been taught is that
the motor pole attract and the poles are pulled closer together and this
is where the lesson stops.

That is false. That is not what happens. As the poles get closer and close
together other things come into play. 6-7th grade science is not enough
to understand the debts of engineering that shows all of the extra things
going on.

Knowing terms is not enough. Being led along by a child's school book
thinking you have it all is silly.

As the poles get closer together........... see video and watch, then re:
watch till it sinks into to you thought process. Thane stopped short of
a full Engineering degree because he was asked to leave the school.

Thane can explain it and does. Watch again and again.

The motor today and generators today operate is a conflicting manner.

If does not have to be done the way motors have been built for over
100 years. This example gives us more to go on.

@Bi show me anything on your table that proves you are an honest
investigator and not just a skeptic that can't admit everything he has been
taught makes him a complete fool. You are a classic free energy clown.

Show me anything.

Here is the greatest expression of genius you can never see.

This is a board talk for true brainiacts.

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjv7RGMYmcs[/VIDEO]



[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdL5EFkfxBQ&index=41&list=PLW6oUfZ9EMbXa_g-naQVnFXOyLRKAQ01x&t=0s[/VIDEO]

[bistander]

Irrelevant video

The video has absolutely nothing to do with cogging. Look up the definition of generator (or motor) cogging.* You'll see that cogging has nothing to do with coils. Cogging is only due to the magnets and steel.

Try the experiment with a magnet and piece of steel. Tell me they repel. That's a good homework assignment for you.

* {edit} I'll look it up.

The cogging torque of the permanent magnet (PM) wind generators is generated from the interaction of permanent magnet MMF harmonics and air-gap harmonics due to slotted structure of stator core. It manifests itself by the tendency of a rotor to align in a number of stable positions even when the machine is unexcited, and results in a pulsating torque, which does not contribute to net effective torque.

From: Cogging

[BroMikey]

.

Try the experiment with a magnet and piece of steel. Tell me they repel. That's a good homework assignment for you.

See how school boyish your approach is? Do my homework, totally
programmed thinking. My motor experience and my school book
thinking.

Cogging is when two magnetic fields interact and metal sets up a field
in opposition to the coils field.

But hey someone that can't tell the difference between AC and DC
is @Bi so you can't understand much of the intricate workings of
mother nature.

You and your kind are classical thinkers, one's who are led around
by school books, told their little degree is advanced science, when the
curriculum is identical to Jr High school govt dumbbed down nonsense.

You will never be an inventor so go play with your motors believing you
have it all. And did you watch the video's, no. Do you understand them?
No. Do you care about the extra data offered in video form? No.

You just talk silly because you are silly. Show me anything.

I watched you clutter up UFO's thread for years and then you degraded
Turion on his thread consistently ignoring the hard data only to repeat
the same slogans of the past 100 years.

You are boring. People who are that weak should sit and listen. But
then your goal is something else, isn't it? But you can't be honest.


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[BroMikey]

Common Motor Action 100 years old

When the coil is connected to a LOAD, the approaching magnet
creates an electromagnet from the coil which is the same polarity
as the approaching magnet, slowing down its approach and
increasing the amp draw of the motor to try and maintain the
same speed, JUST AS IF it were under load, because it IS.
At top dead center, the polarity of the coil switches and it attracts
the magnet that is trying to move away, so the motor is
STILL UNDER LOAD, which CONTINUES to affect the amp draw
and/or rpm

You Sir are such an able man, the house will go smoothly and in no
time you will back in the new shop.

Your explanation above is exactly what other men have shown before
like Thane Heins did. These simple truths are important building blocks
to basic concepts in motor design. Most people don't ever get that.

The same fields resist rotor action, the departing is also resisted. You
can explain things far better than I can. Thanks for taking the time to
express literally in text form what I could not.

So many school books are lacking and our generation of people working
in the motor industry have no idea that they have been taught rubbish.

Just the facts how motors really work escapes them. Crazy.

You da man.

[Iamnuts]

Says it all.

https://www.mdpi.com/1996-1073/7/11/7105/htm

[bistander]

A simple falsehood from you

See how school boyish your approach is? Do my homework, totally
programmed thinking. My motor experience and my school book
thinking.

Cogging is when two magnetic fields interact and metal sets up a field
in opposition to the coils field.

But hey someone that can't tell the difference between AC and DC
is @Bi so you can't understand much of the intricate workings of
mother nature.

You and your kind are classical thinkers, one's who are led around
by school books, told their little degree is advanced science, when the
curriculum is identical to Jr High school govt dumbbed down nonsense.

You will never be an inventor so go play with your motors believing you
have it all. And did you watch the video's, no. Do you understand them?
No. Do you care about the extra data offered in video form? No.

You just talk silly because you are silly. Show me anything.

I watched you clutter up UFO's thread for years and then you degraded
Turion on his thread consistently ignoring the hard data only to repeat
the same slogans of the past 100 years.

You are boring. People who are that weak should sit and listen. But
then your goal is something else, isn't it? But you can't be honest.


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All that has nothing to do with:

Cogging ...
As 1 pole draws near to a pole they resist each other ...

It is untrue. Easy to prove, or disprove.

Your definition (and Turion's) of cogging is incorrect. Cogging has nothing to do with coils and nothing to do with current. Cogging is only due to the core and magnet.

You can't back up your statement so you change the subject to me, or to coils, neither of which are relevant to cogging.

[Iamnuts]

Crap.

All this talk of cogging and anti Lens is —— .
This is a quote from a bistander find.

In addition, 24 Ω load experiments show that the efficiencies of double three-phase winding and six-phase winding are 96.56% and 98.54%, respectively, verifying the proposed high performance operation.

If any of you lot can get anywhere near these efficiencies I’d be surprised.

At the end of the day it’s efficiency that counts.

A lot of manufacturers don’t bother themselves too much about efficiency,
it’s more about production costs and reliability. They’re in it to make a profit!

John.

[bistander]

No coils

Which is EXACTLY what I said. Magnets and iron cores

Now introduce a coil with an iron core and NO LOAD to the rotating magnets. I don't care how fast you rotate that motor within its designated voltage limit, you will see a DIFFERENCE in amp draw of the motor when the coil is in place and/or a difference in the rpm. Put TWELVE coils in place and see what you get. At a lower speed there is cogging. At a higher speed the cogging GOES AWAY, but as long as the coil is there, MAGNETIC DRAG exists. The magnets on the rotor are ALWAYS going to be attracted to the iron in the core and are ALWAYS going to affect the amp draw of the motor or the rpm or both. Your magical "high speed rotation" will NOT eliminate this. I don't care HOW many dictionary definitions you link to. Magnets are attracted to iron. PERIOD. Now I'm not saying that at 30,000 rpm the affect may be so small as to hardly be noticeable, but we are not operating at 30,000 rpm now are we?

No it is not EXACTLY what you said. You have coils. Cogging is not dependent on coils. So if something occurs in the presence of coils, it is not due to cogging. It is something else.

[bistander]

Stay to the point

So you are saying that when the coils are just sitting there, not under load, with their iron cores, and there is a jerking action of the rotor as the magnets go by, it is something other than cogging because there is copper wire wrapped around the iron cores? Just curious. So I guess if I take the copper away, the jerking will stop? Is that what you are saying? Or it will still be there but it isn’t cogging? Or it is cogging, but only when there is no copper? One of us is very confused.

No, what I am saying (and I think you know it), is that cogging is due ONLY to the magnet and iron core. Any additional effects seen with coils in place are not part of or due to cogging.

Let's get back to his statement.

Cogging ...
As 1 pole draws near to a pole they resist each other ...

Do you agree with him?

[Iamnuts]

Im here to.....

Just show me some genuine results greater than 98%, then we can agree
on some hitherto unrecognised physics.
Bear in mind C.
John

[Iamnuts]

Clarity.

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The generator output is not dependent on the MOTOR other than the rpm it turns the generator at. Both modified and stock motors can deliver the rpm necessary for the generator to put out 2000 watts. Probably lots of other motors can too. And they will probably ALL do it for less than 400 watts input to the motor, IF magnetic cogging is eliminated. The advantage the modified motor has when run in the correct circuit is how much of that 400 watts can be RECOVERED and reused. That’s all. It isn’t magic. It isn’t the ONLY motor that will run the generator. It is just the most EFFICIENT method I have found. If you’re only going to build a one or two coil generator, you need to take advantage of every trick we have found. If you’re going to build a 10-12,coil generator, all the little tricks aren’t necessary, but they DO improve your overall COP.

I have gotten over 2000 watts out of the generator with the stock MY1016, the modified 1016, the stock MY1020, and the modified MY1020. I have also burnt up all four kinds of motors when there was too much magnetic cogging. There have been fmany different versions of my generator, and I have probably tried all four possible motors on all of them at one time or another to see what would happen. It isn’t like I only burnt up ONE rewound motor and then quit using them.

Call the motor 350 Watts, that’s one hell of a claim.
John.

[BroMikey]

Bro Mikey is talking about the Lenz reaction...
..
People who want to nit pick terms instead of building anything have
ruined this forum.

Ole Bi is at his rockin horse arm chair command center, fuddy duddy
old guy with delusions of God-Hood. He gets off about this time, I
wonder what causes it?

#Bi-directional

Yer switchin sides again, cogging don't go away, that's right.

Maybe there is hope for hopeless

[BroMikey]

There really are more complex things going on inside a motor than
folks can ever understand. That is why very few sharp Engineers will
come on a board and try to explain what took them in many cases
8 years to thoroughly grasp.

And yet with all of their years of work out of a book and on paper these
high level people often won't except the hard data offered to them by
the hands on experiments.

The patent office is a great example of the deep state run system of
men who are just like all the public schools are, all of the colleges, most
of our Universities.

"Can't be done" is the slogan

It is so refreshing to see someone such as yourself break the bands, have
good writing and communication skills, do these tests, follow the
experiments with the intestinal fortitude to stand up against the grain
of weak little men.

The cogging may seem to go away, but cogging is that clunk we feel
like with a stepper motor, you turn it one way or to the right of a magnetic
pole and is clunks or stops. Extra force must be applied to over come
the lock. Everyone knows that, so when people try to contested those
observable effect, it shows they haven't the foggiest on simple Jr high
science.

The cogging is not so easy to observe in the form of a clunk yet the faster
it clunks the faster the rpm with each clunk duration becoming less and
less. Faster does not mean it has gone away, it's duration at high speeds
is so short and spread out over 1000's of pole exchanges that this
effect turns into more things.

It does not go away.

Which is EXACTLY what I said. Magnets
and iron cores

Originally Posted by Turion

......Now introduce a coil with an iron core and NO LOAD to the
rotating magnets. I don't care how fast you rotate that motor within
its designated voltage limit, you will see a DIFFERENCE in amp draw
of the motor when the coil is in place and/or a difference in the rpm.
Put TWELVE coils in place and see what you get. At a lower speed
there is cogging. At a higher speed the cogging GOES AWAY, but as
long as the coil is there, MAGNETIC DRAG exists. The magnets on the
rotor are ALWAYS going to be attracted to the iron in the core and are ALWAYS going to affect the amp draw of the motor or the rpm or both.
Your magical "high speed rotation" will NOT eliminate this. I don't care
HOW many dictionary definitions you link to.

[bistander]

Words have meaning

Bro Mikey is talking about the Lenz reaction that creates an opposing magnetic field to the approaching rotor magnet, but I think you know that. ...

I know what he wrote and posted, just like what you post. If you, or he, use terms incorrectly, should that not be pointed out and fixed?

... Does it fit your dictionary definition of clogging?

Clogging: defined as a type of folk dancing, or causing a blockage or hindrance not allowing passage. Off topic.

... That’s another issue. People who want to nit pick terms instead of building anything have ruined this forum.

What's wrong with accurate and understandable communication? And I have built a lot of things. I built that dual converter circuit of yours and posted data. Instead of discussion, I get insults and humiliation. I refuse to build junk which I know won't work.

I think the trouble with this forum is not me, or those that subscribe to the scientific method, but you, who makes claims without proof, or even relevant evidence, and refuses to support your claims. Talking about cogging, or Thane Hines, is irrelevant to a 1800 watt output generator which uses 300 watts input.