Barbosa and Leal Devices - Info and Replication Details

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- Your primaries look a little scorched. Brown under the tape. If your leads melt their insulation and the coating on the winding then you could have a short and might need to rewind the primaries. Disconnect your primaries and check the resistance. They should be equal. Oh, and not zero.

Good point. djarno if your setup is still popping the breaker when you plug it in, then a check to make sure the primary windings have not developed a short circuit using an ohmmeter check, as tachyoncatcher described above, would be a good idea. To give you something to compare to, the 220V primary winding resistance on one of my toroidal power transformers is around 3 ohms. Ohmmeters probably don't measure very accurately at all at that low of a resistance, but that should give you an idea. As tachyoncatcher mentioned, the primary winding resistance should be something more than 0 ohms on both your toroids.

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I don't waste time hopping down the TEST bunny trail (also known as experimenting).
I just go straight to implement and use. major difference!

Ok, so you are able to power a load of 100 kW or more while drawing less than 1000W from your battery and inverter? This is what Fernando is said to have observed regarding what a working Barbosa and Leal setup is supposed to be able to do when powered from a battery and inverter.

[dragon]

I don't believe it matters if you use either pure sine or modified sine for testing purposes. If there is a gain it has to come from another source. There is, however, an efficiency difference between the sine and modified - not necessarily the efficiency of the inverter but the efficiency in which the inverter drives a given load. Inductive loads such as motors and transformers don't process the modified as well making the load less efficient and has a tendency to produce more heat also they tend to be noisey producing a buzz instead of a smooth hum.

The small test set up of the B&L I made I used both as a test - Xantrex ProwattSW 600 and a cheap Vector 600. Both ran the loads just fine, the vector created more heating in the toroids. Neither showed any gains in output potential. I tested with and without the smart charger, run times were longer without the charger in line.

If the B&L guys are on the level, then there is a considerable amount of information not shown which is understandable given their desire to protect their invention. What is shown in these and other pages on the net will likely not produce the results they are claiming.

If we consider the overall efficiency of all the components, assuming all are in the 95% efficiency range (being optimistic) - battery charge/discharge cycle, inverter, torroids, and charger we have an average efficiency of around 81%. So right off the top there is a 19% loss we have to make up for from an outside source just to break even.

On a lighter note, all the components purchased for this project can be put to good use in other ways. I was fortunate enough to have everything I needed to assemble this project for testing so my investment was from previous projects and back up units for existing power needs.

[djarno]

I don't believe it matters if you use either pure sine or modified sine for testing purposes. If there is a gain it has to come from another source. There is, however, an efficiency difference between the sine and modified - not necessarily the efficiency of the inverter but the efficiency in which the inverter drives a given load. Inductive loads such as motors and transformers don't process the modified as well making the load less efficient and has a tendency to produce more heat also they tend to be noisey producing a buzz instead of a smooth hum.

The small test set up of the B&L I made I used both as a test - Xantrex ProwattSW 600 and a cheap Vector 600. Both ran the loads just fine, the vector created more heating in the toroids. Neither showed any gains in output potential. I tested with and without the smart charger, run times were longer without the charger in line.

If the B&L guys are on the level, then there is a considerable amount of information not shown which is understandable given their desire to protect their invention. What is shown in these and other pages on the net will likely not produce the results they are claiming.

If we consider the overall efficiency of all the components, assuming all are in the 95% efficiency range (being optimistic) - battery charge/discharge cycle, inverter, torroids, and charger we have an average efficiency of around 81%. So right off the top there is a 19% loss we have to make up for from an outside source just to break even.

On a lighter note, all the components purchased for this project can be put to good use in other ways. I was fortunate enough to have everything I needed to assemble this project for testing so my investment was from previous projects and back up units for existing power needs.

So you claim clarence to be an 'hoax' ?

Did you share photo's with clarence, because you might be missing something (perhaps) ?

Anyways I can do an proper testing tommorow when I pickup the inverter (if I make it on time)

[clarence]

You forgot

Ok, so you are able to power a load of 100 kW or more while drawing less than 1000W from your battery and inverter? This is what Fernando is said to have observed what a working Barbosa and Leal setup is supposed to be able to do.

You forgot that the inverter was tied to the UTILITY GRID GROUND ROD
which was centered in their whole rod array also! MY MY!

ALSO unknown to you is the fact that the 100 KW LOAD was supplied by the THIRD captor unit which in turn was powered by THE SECOND captor unit
which was powered by the SMALL captor unit like mine! the diagram of that whole test setup was furnished by Fernando in his complete INFORMATION
back to the person who financed HIS TRIP! AGAIN, that is information YOU don't have!!!! I DO!!!!!!!!

ALSO unknown to you - are the charted pages of the volts - amps inputs and out puts and the designated run times associated with each and every single test event that was performed! I have ALL of those test performance charts!
you being such a test bug - would feast like a demon if you were to see those!

LATER

[djarno]

You forgot that the inverter was tied to the UTILITY GRID GROUND ROD
which was centered in their whole rod array also! MY MY!

ALSO unknown to you is the fact that the 100 KW LOAD was supplied by the THIRD captor unit which in turn was powered by THE SECOND captor unit
which was powered by the SMALL captor unit like mine! the diagram of that whole test setup was furnished by Fernando in his complete INFORMATION
back to the person who financed HIS TRIP! AGAIN, that is information YOU don't have!!!! I DO!!!!!!!!

ALSO unknown to you - are the charted pages of the volts - amps inputs and out puts and the designated run times associated with each and every single test event that was performed! I have ALL of those test performance charts!
you being such a test bug - would feast like a demon if you were to see those!

LATER

Could you share the charts publicly, or perhaps, privately with me ?

Sincerely

[dragon]

So you claim clarence to be an 'hoax' ?

Did you share photo's with clarence, because you might be missing something (perhaps) ?

Anyways I can do an proper testing tommorow when I pickup the inverter (if I make it on time)

It's obvious Clarence believes in what he has.... but what he has shown, publicly, to date indeed does not work as stated by B&L.

[dragon]

Just to be clear, I'm not saying Clarence is trying to hoax anyone - I have no quarrels with him. I'm a simple researcher that is personally on a quest for truth plain and simple.

I do, however, question the motives of someone that makes claims, encourages people to replicate and provides information that may not be complete.

If there is sensitive information then I would like to respectfully request a PM from Clarence with what he can disclose. If all the information necessary to create a successful unit can't be disclosed then I see no reason to pursue a dead end. My time can be better spent in other area's that have real results yet still need research.

[BroMikey]

I don't believe it matters if you use either pure sine or modified sine for testing purposes.

What is shown in these and other pages on the net will likely not produce the results they are claiming.

Where are your test results and replication superman

[dragon]

My results were nothing more than running a normal system - nothing to report

Where are yours?

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You forgot that the inverter was tied to the UTILITY GRID GROUND ROD
which was centered in their whole rod array also! MY MY!

ALSO unknown to you is the fact that the 100 KW LOAD was supplied by the THIRD captor unit which in turn was powered by THE SECOND captor unit
which was powered by the SMALL captor unit like mine! the diagram of that whole test setup was furnished by Fernando in his complete INFORMATION
back to the person who financed HIS TRIP! AGAIN, that is information YOU don't have!!!! I DO!!!!!!!!

ALSO unknown to you - are the charted pages of the volts - amps inputs and out puts and the designated run times associated with each and every single test event that was performed! I have ALL of those test performance charts!
you being such a test bug - would feast like a demon if you were to see those!

LATER

Hello Clarence. As you must be aware then, Fernando seems to have understood that you have to do proper measurements to be able to understand how a particular setup is really performing, regardless of the particular setup that is under test.

[citfta]

Where are your test results and replication superman

Bro Mikey,

Just because someone gives results you don't like is no reason to insult and belittle them. Are you never going to grow up? Without all the silly drama he clearly stated what he did and what his results were. Stop being so childish in your defense of Clarence.

[totoalas]

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Amps is when closing the circuit, aka burning the cable hmm

Anyways, everything is correctly now. My father is afraid I **** up the generator by removing the earth ground so it burns the cables.

Is there an way how to inject controlled power without fuse breaking and/or earthbreaker ?[/QUOTR]

Hello,


WHERE did you ever get the idea to touch the two iron clamps together???????
THATS just insane!!!!!!

DO NOT TOUCH THEM TOGETHER AT ALL!!!!! NEVER DO THAT!!!!

In your case it would be better for you to wrap each one SEPARATELY with some electrical insulation tape immediately.!!!!
you are showing yourself to be VERY dangerous to yourself and everything around you.
you need to sit down and think ahead about EVERYTHING you may want to do!!
If you have any questions about what you want to do PLEASE ASK myself or LEVEL or any other knowledgeable member you choose!

There is NOT ONE damn thing about this type device that is worth DYING for!!!! NOT ONE!
SLOW DOWN and get help! that's what members are for!

later

Clarence

Barbosa Test 2 100 + amps hot to touch 061113 Youtube
Here im touching the secondary from a Barbosa Circuit not the same as Clarence set up so DONT TRY THIS AT HOME .......WARNING

[kenssurplus]

PESN and Sterling DID NOT have anything to do WITH OR FINANCE ANY PART of the demonstration event!
All of Fernandos expenses were paid for by a Friend of mine here in the USA!
Fernando made the mistake of E-mailng Sterling as a friend about his adventure there in Brazil and Sterling then fraudently claimed he had financed FERNANDO as HIS REP.for the event <SNIP>...

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I was given access to all of Fernandos PAID FOR information by my friend
and there is A LOT that has never been revealed and probably won't be!

And,

the diagram of that whole test setup was furnished by Fernando in his complete INFORMATION
back to the person who financed HIS TRIP! AGAIN, that is information YOU don't have!!!! I DO!!!!!!!!

ALSO unknown to you - are the charted pages of the volts - amps inputs and out puts and the designated run times associated with each and every single test event that was performed! I have ALL of those test performance charts!
you being such a test bug - would feast like a demon if you were to see those!

LATER

These posts of Clarenc's show that his motivation is in the financial end of things. Specifically, you get the info that was properly paid for. This seems to be the prevailing attitude of people here at this forum. I' am not saying that this is a bad attitude, just that this is where the action seems to be focused at.

It is my belief that God created enough and to spare for all. So that there would not need to be haves and have-nots, but it is that way because of manufactured artificial shortages made by those who want control.

In a way, a shortage of info is the same thing. He who controls the info, has the power.

I have no money to pay for info, nor for specified parts. So, for me all I can contribute is what I see now in attitudes and an occasional piece of technical help. Even those are mocked and demonized, marginalized and buried. Good luck to those who have the parts and info, and for those who don't - same ole song that has been sung for centuries.

With respect, kindness, and a brighter hope for all mankind,
Ken

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And,
These posts of Clarenc's show that his motivation is in the financial end of things. ...

Hello kenssurplus. So far I haven't seen any indications that Clarence is after money. However, I do doubt very much that Clarence's setup is COP > 1.