Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera

[Ufopolitics]

Figuera Different Views from Classic Magnetism...

Hello Hanon,

It is obvious that Figuera will be including the "Lines of Force"...and so we could also add "Imaginary"....as well as "Virtual"...right?

It would also be very understandable as Figuera mentions that there are not any Violations of Faraday Laws...since Faraday Laws are written "very generally" and NOT specifically...as any patent protection law recommends...as paraphrasing Faraday 1st Law ...whenever there is "any kind of change" in the Magnetic Field there would be induction...or literally:

First Law of Electromagnetic Induction

An electromotive force is induced in a conductor when the magnetic field surrounding it changes.

I already posted the above to you on my previous post #1756

HOWEVER, THERE ARE TWO (2) ASPECTS IN FIGUERA CONCEPTS WHICH ARE NOT ACCEPTED BY CLASSIC ELECTROMAGNETISM LAWS:

1- Figuera considers Maximum Induction achieved when Inducing and Induced Electromagnets Cores are PERFECTLY ALIGNED OR BOTH CENTERS ARE ON DEAD CENTER ALIGNMENT:

PRINCIPIO DE LA INVENCIÓN

Observando atentamente lo que sucede en una dinamo en marcha, se ve que las espiras del inducido no hacen más que acercarse y separarse de los centros magnéticos de los imanes o electroimanes inductores, y que dichas espiras, en su giro, van atravesando secciones del campo magnético de diferente poder, pues, mientras este tiene su máximo de acción en el centro del núcleo de cada electroimán...

My Translation on above Paragraph:

PRINCIPLE OF THE INVENTION

Observing in detail what is taking place in an operating Dynamo, we could see all the Induced Coils do is approach and separate from the Magnetic Centers from the Inducing magnets or electromagnets, and such coils on their spin, go through magnetic sectors of different strength, since, their maximum action resides in the core center of each electromagnet...

And here Hanon, since you so much brag about knowing and understanding classic electromagnetism, specifically on Electric Generators Electrodynamics...Then You should know that Classic Magnetism considers the Maximum or Peak Induction to take place exactly at 90º APART from all electromagnets centers...meaning when they are NOT ALIGNED...BUT sweeping Majority of Conductors of each coil...

AND...If You still have doubts about this fact written above...ASK Bistander or Citfta, Either both of them, for sure, will lead you to all Literature showing exactly what I am writing above.

Obviously Figuera does not considers Maximum Induction as Classic Magnetism does...

Understand?

Entiendes?

2- Now, the second part where Figuera differs from Classic Magnetism...is also VERY OBVIOUS: REPULSION FIELDS

As You have stated...Figuera uses REPULSION FIELDS to Obtain Induction (As We all have realized His Machine works ONLY on Repulsion Fields)...And so, if You would understand properly Classic Magnetism...will realize that N><N nor S<>S shows ABSOLUTELY NO LINES OF FORCE between both Poles...but a clear EMPTY SPACE BETWEEN...NO FIELD, NO "IMAGINARY" LINES OF FORCE...PERIOD.

CLASSIC MAGNETISM HAVE ONLY RECOGNIZED ATTRACTION FIELDS (N>>S) AS WHERE THERE ARE THE "IMAGINARY" LINES OF FORCE WHICH GENERATES INDUCTION.

WHILE CLASSIC MAGNETISM HAVE COMPLETELY NEGLECTED THE USE OF REPULSION FIELDS ON ANY EXISTING ELECTRODYNAMIC GENERATOR MACHINE

BUT, STILL, YOU KEEP INSISTING TO "COPE" WITH REPULSION FIELDS AND CLASSIC ELECTRODYNAMICS...with your short video moving papers...thinking that video will "solve" this COMPLETELY OPPOSED CONFLICT between Figuera and Classic Magnetism...

But Your Video DON'T DO ABSOLUTELY NADA...


Ufopolitics

[Cadman]

Hi Bistander,

I almost missed your post.

Hi Cadman,

The unit of gauss is used for flux density not flux.

One of those careless errors I'm prone to. My bad. Gauss is indeed the unit of magnetic induction. The unit for magnetic flux or total lines of magnetic force is the maxwell. So 200K lines of flux. Glad we cleared that up.

And it's good of you to confirm that a steady unchanging flux produces 0 emf.

Cheers,
Cadman

[Cadman]

Also,

Naturally, passing from the ideal dynamo to a practical dynamo machine, it will not be possible in it's limited, magnetic field to spin as large a number of wire turns as it is possible to do in the Earth's magnetic field, which is extremely extensive, from which follows that the power of the generator is limited, not only by the intensity of the magnetic field produced by the electromagnets, but also by the area of its own field.

Common sense really.

[hanon1492]

This is how far Figuera looked for the solution away from current theory. I quote the 1902 patent No. 30378:



This sentence says everything. Keep static the coils and move the magnetic lines in order to cut the induced wires. Yes, Figuera mentioned the magnetic lines. Well, better said "the lines of force", quoting literally. I always try to back my posts on real Figuera writings, and keep them as sacred.

[Ufopolitics]

Ufo,

Thank you for the well wishes, and happy new year!

My pleasure Cadman as I will expect next year we will have you back building strongly!!!

Yes, we will just agree to disagree, a little. Flux cutting is only a description of a concept after all, motion between the wire and a magnetic field. I really only care about observed results.

Exactly and agreed!!

The point is that if it is not transformer induction and the load isn't reflected on the supply then that's it! From that point on we will know how much flux, and amp turns etc, that it takes to produce an observed emf with our Figuera interpretation.

Exactly, no reflection on input...No change whatsoever at Input whenever loading Output...it is just like if there were no load present from the source point of view!!

I wish I was as prolific a builder as you are my friend. It's very frustrating to be so limited. I am making some progress, I have a #110 toroid core that has been cut and reassembled, and just finished winding two inducer coils on it. Four inch long coils with four separate layers of #18 on each coil, 62 turns per layer. Probably more layers than needed but it will allow multiple configurations. I intend to put 100 turns, two layers of 50, on each of the two induced coils and this should allow me to see if transformer induction is applicable or not, and what emf I get for 200K gauss flux.

Regards
Cadman

Great!!...will love to see all those cores and copper wires to start warming up!!

Regards and Happy New Year!!


Ufopolitics

[bistander]

Gauss

... and what emf I get for 200K gauss flux.

Regards
Cadman

Hi Cadman,

The unit of gauss is used for flux density not flux. 200 kiloGauss = 20 Tesla. Steel saturates at about 1.5T.

Also the emf or generated voltage depends on the rate of change of flux. That change is "any" change; meaning change in amplitude, or direction, or position, or, so-to-speak, from one line of force to another (cutting?). But a steady unchanging flux will not affect a conductor.

Regards,

bi

[Cadman]

Ufo,

Thank you for the well wishes, and happy new year!

Yes, we will just agree to disagree, a little. Flux cutting is only a description of a concept after all, motion between the wire and a magnetic field. I really only care about observed results.

The point is that if it is not transformer induction and the load isn't reflected on the supply then that's it! From that point on we will know how much flux, and amp turns etc, that it takes to produce an observed emf with our Figuera interpretation.

I wish I was as prolific a builder as you are my friend. It's very frustrating to be so limited. I am making some progress, I have a #110 toroid core that has been cut and reassembled, and just finished winding two inducer coils on it. Four inch long coils with four separate layers of #18 on each coil, 62 turns per layer. Probably more layers than needed but it will allow multiple configurations. I intend to put 100 turns, two layers of 50, on each of the two induced coils and this should allow me to see if transformer induction is applicable or not, and what emf I get for 200K gauss flux.

Regards
Cadman

[Ufopolitics]

Although my building efforts have been stalled since November for health reasons I have had plenty of time to think this through.

Hello Cadman and Happy New Year!!

And I have been wondering where have you been all this time!!...We sure have missed you at the builder's Thread!

I only wish and hope all Health issues would be clear by now...so we can keep sharing results again!!

The core reasons behind the Figuera gen are flux cutting vs induction and obtaining that cutting action by shifting the field across the induced coils without physical motion.

I really hate that after such long time absent...in this first post you have written...I have to disagree on just the "Flux Cutting" principle...

Figuera is not only teaching all of Us about moving Virtual Fields motion will generate induction...but also is "repairing" some very wrong old concepts...right on his 1908 Patent.

First, if it would be "just" "Flux Cutting" the copper conductors at secondary...then we absolutely will NOT need to align all electromagnets in a perfect dead center line from Primary N Core, passing through Secondary "Y" Core...and ending at Primary "S" Core.

If "Flux Cutting" would be still the ruling law here...basically by just installing the Secondary Core at 90º between both Primaries Cores...it should gives Us all a much stronger induction...right?

Well, sorry but in Reality does NOT work that way...(I already have tried that option to clear any clouds) there is absolute zero induction when cores are aligned at 90 degrees angles with majority of conductors as it is "believed" in Classic Electromagnetism.

Which brings along some old discussions I had with Bistander previously...about Generator facts based on Classic BS.

Figuera Generator concepts are on the money...just because he understand that Peak Induction takes place when Inductor-Induced Cores are Fully Aligned...and not when they are sweeping at 90 degrees apart a majority of conductors.

Second...remember Figuera works based on Repulsion Fields, either two Norths or Two Souths...where "supposedly" there were absolutely no "Flux Lines" shown through the ridiculous iron filings deal...

I am really sorry, but the truth prevails in front of absolutely anything...and so we can not try to "adapt" the BS Classic Magnetism to this brand spanking new whole deal Experimenting and Development taking place now with the Figuera device...sorry, but it just will not work.

If flux cutting is achieved then the generation of emf must follow the same rules as any other gen. That is W length of wire cut by X number of flux lines in Y time equals Z volts.

Given that premise a core of small cross section is not going to produce much. The iron is limited to about 16000 gauss per cm^2. Do the math.

In my opinion these small builds are good for several goals.
To establish that flux cutting has been achieved without physical motion.
That increased load does not require proportionally increased input like a transformer does.
To determine the best core type and inducer winding scheme.
The actual output obtainable from the best configuration.

If the first two goals are established as facts, then that last one would give the emf obtainable from a specific quantity of flux applied to a length of induced wire. As the quantity of flux can be increased by using iron of greater cross section without increasing the watts used for the inducing coils, the output could then be scaled up to OU proportions using known ratios.

It doesn't matter whether there is a double E field at play or whether flat wire is better than round, ad nauseam. So how about we stop the endless debating and poking each other with sticks and get busy producing some real empirical results. The first two goals above would be a good place to start.

Cadman

Yes, I agree there are some Generator rules that still apply here...but only if we understand or at least try to repair our wrong established concepts...

Like Marathon Man wrote a few and so many times before...OU would only be achieved when at least we get Two Sets of Exciting Modules and so two secondaries...meaning Four Primaries and two secondaries.

Why so?...simple...for the "price of one magnetic field" we will get at least Two Outputs...that if we connect them in series...we will have double the Input signal...elementary Math....as Marketing Success..."Buy One and get the Second Free..."

We just pay for one Magnetic Field...actually Two in opposition...but basically both forms just One High Compressed Repulsion Field fluctuating...which we use the exact same Input to obtain many duplicated outputs.

Like you said about which one is better round or rectangular being not important...I also say it is not important, as we will never be able to use the Classic BS Magnetism and Induction to explain nor justify absolutely NO Over-Unity Device...there is no point in trying to insist.

All these old concepts were wrong, very wrong...and there would be a point in time Everyone would have no other choice or recourse but to accept the very sad and painful truth...


But, Hey, Cadman!!!, this was just a small disagreement on BS theory... we both know we are, first than all, builders...and so...we must confirm all our Theories with experimental facts...and not theorizing...so let's keep building and experimenting friend!!


I hope I can see your videos about your set up and testings very soon

Wish you the Best ever New Year!!...and hope you completely restore from all health issues.


Warm regards


Ufopolitics

[Cadman]

Although my building efforts have been stalled since November for health reasons I have had plenty of time to think this through. The core reasons behind the Figuera gen are flux cutting vs induction and obtaining that cutting action by shifting the field across the induced coils without physical motion.
If flux cutting is achieved then the generation of emf must follow the same rules as any other gen. That is W length of wire cut by X number of flux lines in Y time equals Z volts.

Given that premise a core of small cross section is not going to produce much. The iron is limited to about 16000 gauss per cm^2. Do the math.

In my opinion these small builds are good for several goals.
To establish that flux cutting has been achieved without physical motion.
That increased load does not require proportionally increased input like a transformer does.
To determine the best core type and inducer winding scheme.
The actual output obtainable from the best configuration.

If the first two goals are established as facts, then that last one would give the emf obtainable from a specific quantity of flux applied to a length of induced wire. As the quantity of flux can be increased by using iron of greater cross section without increasing the watts used for the inducing coils, the output could then be scaled up to OU proportions using known ratios.

It doesn't matter whether there is a double E field at play or whether flat wire is better than round, ad nauseam. So how about we stop the endless debating and poking each other with sticks and get busy producing some real empirical results. The first two goals above would be a good place to start.

Cadman

[Ufopolitics]

The funny thing; my sim gives output with N-S but not my tests. Can't trust them.. have to build . .
Se my picture below /Arne

But of course your simulations will never admit a N><N Field to generate induction!...Duh!!

Remember the "inculcated dogma"...:

only N><S will "show" those "Imaginary Lines of Force" according to iron filings method "laws"...established since 1831 to date...

...and so, your sim software has been written by those "Iron Filings laws"...as any other Book, or else around...

We are changing and proving the completely opposite!!

And only REAL EXPERIMENTING can demonstrate that "other Scientific Fact"...

Besides, I do not actually need to "physically" move one of my electromagnets 180º to observe that fact...but just by swapping one electromagnet voltage polarities Input I will have a N><S Attracting Field...


Ufopolitics

[seaad]

Thanks Seead,

I do not know if you meant by switching one electromagnet 180º would result in: N><S Primaries facing each others (Attraction Field) does NOT work here at all....No Induction...zero.
Ufopolitics

The funny thing; my sim gives output with N-S but not my tests. Can't trust them.. have to build . .
Se my picture below /Arne

[Ufopolitics]

UFO you exellent builder;
I heard from your latest "resistor test video" http://www.energeticforum.com/296508-post1855.html that your siganals " are not happeninig as it's supposed to be .... and coming down at the same time which is not supposed" to happen.
Try to flip one of the primarys 180 degree and see what happends. I know that that is against your principles. But but! I hope you can take this advise as a good human.
The signals shifts in my simulator if the magnetic coupling between the primaries are enough whith N-N, N-S.

And a Happy ant free Year. / Arne

Thanks Seead,

There are two things taking place in the build shown on video...

Since the Primaries Electromagnets are so low in resistance (0.3 Ohms) this fact generates two "problems" in the result.

1- There is a huge negative spike (below zero) taking place every time brush ends-starts Cycles, and that generates a high arcing (spark) at commutator, just in that zone (180º apart)

I solved that issue by installing Two reversed diodes on each electromagnet between both primaries terminals ([+] -l<- [-])...Now I have No More Negative Spikes...

Note: Diodes must be rated to stand the Reversed Amperage going on...and still they will do get hot...We do NOT have this issue with part G!!

2- This low resistance in primaries causes a huge drop on the total resistance of circuit (From 90 Ohms to about 1.6 Ohms approximately)

I solved that issue by reducing the number of resistors involved on circuit by making commutator a ten segments not twenty...by joining each two adjacent elements...

Now it works like a charm...

I do not know if you meant by switching one electromagnet 180º would result in: N><S Primaries facing each others (Attraction Field) does NOT work here at all....No Induction...zero.


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Magnetic Resonance on Figuera...

Hello to All and Happy New year,

I believe, in my humble opinion, that the Exciter Circuit on Figuera Device experience Magnetic Resonance...if we understand that there is a constant magnetic "Echoing" or "Bouncing" effect being manifested in all three basic components involved, as they are Part G, and the Two Primaries working in opposition.

Part G constantly "bounces" or resonates two magnetic fields within its core, one weaker and one stronger which alternatively changes their "status" as a result of these currents fluctuations.

Both Primaries, since facing one another, are also experiencing this "Magnetic Bouncing Effect" (or Magnetic Resonance) between both altogether.

As I do not believe there is any Electrical (or may I say Electric Field) Resonance here at all taking place...but just a fluctuation of currents within whole exciter system.

Maybe I am wrong...but I consider that in order to exist Electrical Resonance there must be involved a Capacitor within System to do this effect on the Electric Field.

Part G does stores Energy, but in the form of a Magnetic Field, not Electric Field Capacitance storage here at all.

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As to the rectangle wire developing a stronger magnetic field on the ferromagnetic core than a round wire...I do believe so...And we can look at this in a simple way;

1- The cross section of a rectangle wire allows much higher amount of Currents to flow than a round wire does.

2- The Flat rectangle geometry resting on ferromagnetic core surface covers a much wider space than a round wire does, therefore, influencing or affecting a larger area on the ferromagnetic particles of core.

3- Enameled Flat wire can be wound much more compact than round wire as almost not being any air gaps between turns, basically at core surface.

All three above advantages from rectangular wire contribute to generate a much stronger Magnetic Field than round wire.

And basically on Figuera's Device everything revolves around the Magnetic Field...and so, the stronger the magnetic field with the less losses in the build, would result in a much more efficient Machine.


Anyways that was just my opinion...my two cents.



Regards to All


Ufopolitics

EDIT 1: And here I would like to add that if we could build...a Toroid Part G with heavy Enameled rectangle wire...very compactly wound...then set it on a Lathe to smooth and clean enamel as to flatten evenly surfaces (to become like an inverted commutator)...where our brush will ride on...then guys, we will have the real and perfect Figuera Device...since Magnetic Field transitions would be very, very smooth...and so the resulting Output Wave at Secondaries will be also a very smooth AC sine wave.

Taps works but there would always be a "jump" from one tap to the other...generating square or abrupt transitions on the resulting output signal.

Unfortunately I do not have a Chuck for the lathe that could house such huge toroid...need a 5,000 to 10,000 Lathe Machine for that purpose...

[seaad]

UFO you exellent builder;
I heard from your latest "resistor test video" http://www.energeticforum.com/296508-post1855.html that your siganals " are not happeninig as it's supposed to be .... and coming down at the same time which is not supposed" to happen.
Try to flip one of the primarys 180 degree and see what happends. I know that that is against your principles. But but! I hope you can take this advise as a good human.
The signals shifts in my simulator if the magnetic coupling between the primaries are enough whith N-N, N-S.

And a Happy ant free Year. / Arne

[citfta]

MM,

The ignorance you keep showing in this thread is amazing. If the circuit is not a resonant circuit then why all the fuss about getting as much inductance as possible from the flat wire as you claim which is so far an unproven statement. If there is no resonance in the circuit then the inductance does not matter a hill of beans.

Now before you get all bent out of shape because I said you were ignorant about resonance just remember you have already said several times in this very thread that ignorance is not an insult.

Respectfully,
Carroll