Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera

[Listener192]

OU test results

Hi UFO,

Can you provide some test results showing the OU you have achieved (DC out measurement)?

Regards

L192

[Ufopolitics]

UFO

I'm glad to hear that you now get more output power than input power, but also sad that you have been tired of watching it happen.

To make the construction work more stable and suitable I'm sure we all her on the forum can help you with that. Just put a question. Certainly can I and several skilled people here, more skilled than me, help you with that.

I do, but am not happy still...want more robust (no V Drops) while heavily loaded at Main Output.

I am also self running the small driver motor with just three layers (16 awg) of what MM used to call a "Second Secondary"......and still am only using like 0.7A when that secondary carries like 3 Amps...but have to diode DC it with a 24V bridge...also this is not an important deal here...many of you could think it is...I don't, these devices allows many output coils...and all you need is the right number of turns plus right gauge to obtain any output you need.

PS.
And of course i don't want HF (high frequencies) as output power. Let the free energy process, OU, generate free energy at high frequencies IF that gives the best results. Then convert the free energy down to 40 ,60 Hz with wanted voltage and with differet phases if requested.

Regards / Arne

Ahhh!! that sounds so simple right?...but nope...I already went through that Seaad, me and many more people here, like seven years ago (2012)...for example Radiant Energy on its Natural shape is typically High Frequency, if you simply collect it from the "Backstage" of a Coil being pulsed (simple square signal) with just a couple of diodes (look at my logo image..)...Now try to store it first in order to "process it downwards"...good luck with that and please, wear goggles!!

It would blow must typical Capacitors unless specially built for those purposes...and nope, can't get them in the normal shopping windows...

And yeah, thanks!...I know you are pretty well skilled in the art...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Hi UFO,
Actually, it is better to anneal the mild steel wire in coils! Then un roll and stretch with a wire strainer. The annealing process distorts the wire. And, I think you have clarified the use of soft iron with your acknowledgement of Figueras operation.

You're right Dwane, thanks!...much better to anneal on a whole coil

However, am still trying to "render" in my mind how the domains shifts under polarization's reversals... and so, which geometry is better suited to "house" those shifts in the smoothest way possible...don't know if you could follow me here...but will try to simply represent it with letters:

Say we have position 1 at a Core, which is a N-S arrangement.
And so reversing 1 (to -1) we would have: S-N

Dielectric Field also shifts 180º (center) here, but radically (abruptly)

Fields "fade" (collapse) Inwards towards Center of Core...as they (fields) also open up (starts) from core center...

With all that in mind...imagine it...

On the "Global" issues you mention, might I also include refugee camps? Those islands of desperate souls whose only crime appears to be one of "Being different"!

Thanks

Dwane

Sure friend, include them all!!


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Dwane]

Thank You Dwane,

Yes, I could anneal steel with an Oxygen-Acetylene torch, which I do have one...except my Victor oxygen gauge started leaking and now and so I will need a new one plus more gas...

Just getting a 1000C Chalk, will show whenever reaching those red hot temperatures on the wires...just have to heat it evenly, by "brushing" all the area back-forth without standing at one spot too long.

Thanks


Ufopolitics

Hi UFO,
Actually, it is better to anneal the mild steel wire in coils! Then un roll and stretch with a wire strainer. The annealing process distorts the wire. And, I think you have clarified the use of soft iron with your acknowledgement of Figueras operation.

On the "Global" issues you mention, might I also include refugee camps? Those islands of desperate souls whose only crime appears to be one of "Being different"!

Thanks

Dwane

[Dwane]

boguslaw
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- Soft iron must have been more common in the beginning of 1900 than nowadays
But when you begin to see some indications of positive OU results from experiments (100W in 20 000W out ) then I think the choice of core material is only a way to improve the results. Principle first impovemet next!
When experimenting I think ferrite is a good choice also.

Regards / Arne

Hi seaad,
I make the point regarding the soft iron due to John Bedini referencing it and Figueras referencing it. I concur that soft iron, and especially soft iron wire, would have been more readily available in the late 19th to the early 20th centuries. It is still possible to get soft iron Baling wire here, although it is not thin!

When replications of old technologies are attempted, and failure occurs, it is generally the case that "New" technologies are substituted to "improve" the chances of success. Occasionally that works and often it does not. As Figueras apparently had a working unit using soft iron - fine wires? - there is something in his method that even modern technology is unable to demonstrate a working replication.

Thanks for your comments.

Regards

Dwane

[Ufopolitics]

Hi Ufo,

Four pole, 1800RPM generators run at 60Hz. Or 50Hz at 1500RPM.

Frequency in Hz = RPM * # of pole pairs / 60.

The number of phases does not enter into the speed-frequency relationship.

Regards,

bi

My apologies, You are entirely right Bistander.

Yeap, referring basically to speed (mech power) reduced to half with four poles, not frequency.

The Four Poles divide the 360º in four, or 90º each, therefore 1/2 cycle or 180º comprehend two poles, so 60 Hz in a full cycle of all 4...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[bistander]

4-pole genny

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2- A FOUR POLE -AND UP- THREE PHASE Generator, Considered within the INDUSTRIAL GRADE will just require 1800 RPM's or like 30hZ!!...And will Output much wattage than the Single Phase.

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Hi Ufo,

Four pole, 1800RPM generators run at 60Hz. Or 50Hz at 1500RPM.

Frequency in Hz = RPM * # of pole pairs / 60.

The number of phases does not enter into the speed-frequency relationship.

Regards,

bi

[seaad]

UFO

I'm glad to hear that you now get more output power than input power, but also sad that you have been tired of watching it happen.

To make the construction work more stable and suitable I'm sure we all her on the forum can help you with that. Just put a question. Certainly can I and several skilled people here, more skilled than me, help you with that.

PS.
And of course i don't want HF (high frequencies) as output power. Let the free energy process, OU, generate free energy at high frequencies IF that gives the best results. Then convert the free energy down to 40 ,60 Hz with wanted voltage and with differet phases if requested.

Regards / Arne

[Ufopolitics]

Power Outages...

Hello All,

And I mean...Let's look at "How well suited" we are when it comes to Power Failures (basically due to Natural Causes)...and then restorations-recover times:

PUERTO RICO'S OUTAGES, THE LARGEST IN US HISTORY

Small Island of Puerto Rico was hit by a cat 4 Hurricane "Maria"...about three months ago...

All the old infrastructure of old wooden poles...plus old transformers and insulators, plus cables, etc,etc...brought the Island to Darkness...up to now.

How many people (entire families) have died with just these two or three natural disasters all over the damaged areas because of the Hydrocarbons inhaled due to lack of knowledge about the way House Generators are COMPLETELY LETHAL to be operating Indoors OR EVEN OUTDOORS but with the wrong ventilation set up?

Are we talking about a "Third World" Country Disaster here??...NOPE!!

We are talking about TEXAS, FLORIDA AND PUERTO RICO (A US "INDEPENDENT" STATE)...Meaning A WELL DEVELOPED COUNTRY...like US.

But still, we have power difficulties with the farting machines...plus the way we transmit energy through old cables and wooden poles, just like the way was done in the 1800's times of the Edison-Morgan Wood Poles and cables wired all around...

Isn't all this situation ridiculous?


I am completely sure it is.

Sorry about the rant...its just about my "Politics" side...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

UFO

You'r absolutly right. When it comes to SEEK the " OU EFFECT" it's probably good to start testing with low freqs. See pic! ( Iron core??? ) DC BEST!

Seaad,

I really don't see the point on keep debating about Hi-Lo Frequencies here. Got too much work to do!!!

What I am SEEKING FOR, is NOT for an OU Effect, I ALREADY have achieved that part and past through it...actually am starting to getting bored to watch that "effect" over and over...or what you are referring to as "the OU Effect" which is brought in, by moving the massless virtual field(s) back and forth or reversing them or whatever...causing a higher out than in...but that's not all!!

We need to stabilize our devices to work stable...robust and not heating up...development process as improvements come here, refinement...and sophisticated auto-controls, self running its main "heart" pumps...and I could keep going here on and on...and on.

What I am SEEKING for is to build a small, compact unit, which can offer the MAIN REQUIREMENTS for a Human being NECESSITIES to be able to survive in the middle of nowhere, a dessert land, an isolated Island...etc,etc

WITHOUT requiring to run an OIL PIPE with massive, disgusting and polluting gasoline, diesel or any other poisoning fuels.

Not even to run a weedeater man...to cut grass around the house.

That's the point.

Those MAIN SURVIVAL needs are:

1- HVAC (HEATING-VENTILATION (FANS)- AIR CONDITIONING) or Climate Control Shelter in ANY WEATHER.
2- REFRIGERATION (To keep food frozen, cold drinks, water, etc)
3-Cooking Food (just an Induction stove could do, and even make you some hot coffee...or an Infrared Oven)
4-LIGHTING (LED's would do awesome here!!)
5-MOTORING for like Pumps, Transport and tooling

The rest is just about extra appliances and tooling required to do whatever home work around...like a Water Pump.

NOW, NONE OF THE ABOVE NEEDS REQUIRES HIGH FREQUENCIES TO RUN!!!

NOW, What do you want HF Output FOR??!!

But it is maybe so that the EFFECT is present higher up too, but Clemente couldn't achieve such high freqs as we can today.

Regards / Arne

Clemente was after INDUSTRIAL CURRENTS...And if we step in there...let me refresh some Generators properties:

1-A Typical TWO POLE HOUSE Generator, will run at 3600 RPM's or 60 hZ, For Europe and other Countries will just do it with 50hZ or 3000 RPM's (LESS)

1A-EXCITATION:These types requires like a 10% Exciting Field oF its total output...so, say it is a 5000W, it just needs like 500W for exciter field to run it FULL BLAST.

2- A FOUR POLE -AND UP- THREE PHASE Generator, Considered within the INDUSTRIAL GRADE will just require 1800 RPM's or like 30hZ!!...And will Output much wattage than the Single Phase.

2A-EXCITATION: Here the more the output, as the greater the Unit...the LESS POWER is required for the Exciter Fields to run units, reducing up to like 2%!!

So, it seems as we "scale up" to Industrial levels we actually need less mechanical power or lower frequencies PLUS Lower Power to Run the Exciting Fields, while achieving higher Energy Outputs...

For a House to fully run, we need one two phase 240V and like 25 A (for all 240, like stoves, water heater, Central AC Units, etc) ...and 120V and like 50A (for all 120 requirement, lights, smaller house appliances, etc)...and that's having all requirements covered...totaling like 15 to 20 Kw

Let's be real here...not just dreaming about things that are definitively not needed for now friend!!

The "OU Effect" will NOT GROW (Duplicate, triplicate, Multiply etc,etc) based on HF for the reasons I have explained before.

The Massless Field(s) can easily afford to move at very Higher Frequencies, no problem with that...BUT NOT THE CAPTURING SIDE which is made of REAL SOLID MASS of Copper and Iron...that simple...AND I am NOT saying in a near future we would not be able to achieve such conditions...on the contrary, we for sure would be able to...BUT:

FOR NOW I like to develop REAL POSSIBILITIES, with REAL Operating frequencies which can make work-run the requirements WE ALL NEED First.

Then we will move on...and on and on...

A Step at a Time Seaad...remember you first learned how to stand up...then to walk slowly, falling sometimes...until you were able to walk steady...then learned to run at higher speeds...but that took years to achieve didn't it?...while falling many times on the process, right?

Well...same here...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[seaad]

UFO

You'r absolutly right. When it comes to SEEK the " OU EFFECT" it's probably good to start testing with low freqs. See pic! ( Iron core??? ) DC BEST! But it is maybe so that the EFFECT is present higer up too, but Clemente couldn't achieve such high freqs as we can today.

Regards / Arne

[Ufopolitics]

Frequency-Reactions Delays...

UFO

If I should solve the Figuera OU principle I'm more or less convinced that I should not run the final unit at 50 or 60 Hz. Higer freqs gives smaller units and so on. See all apparatus today.

Regards / Arne

I believe you are wrong there Seaad...

Moving JUST the Virtual, Massless Fields through mass (iron cores-copper coils), which is the basic Figuera's principle, should work with lower frequencies, in order for the copper-steel to "catch up" with a too fast moving massless entity.

If you would have done massive experimenting with this facts (like I have done)...you would realize dialing up frequencies must be done "smoothly up" in order to allow mass materials to stay up ("digesting") that "Spiritual Entity" that could travel up to light speeds.

Edit: And then I will add...that even lower frequencies, like half of 50-60 hZ (as low as 15-20 hZ) is where I am seeing better and more robust EM Induction Output (no hysteresis, no eddy currents effect, since core is laminated). Problem here is that when loaded, Source will fluctuate higher, meaning source becomes more "sensitive" to load changes compared to higher, closer to operating speeds frequencies.

But then again, it all depends upon core design and materials used...to allow working with higher frequencies.

Bottom line is that you will get OUT whatever shape-form you are putting IN, that's the way EM Induction works...if you pulse higher freq, then you will get higher frequencies outputs...which in my opinion are not a viable and common energies which could turn on our simple machinery...or even lighting a bulb without blowing it....or simply turning on any Power Supply designed to work with 60 hZ Inputs applicable to any appliance-equipment in our daily life.

Unless you are planning to "bypass PSU's" or modify every single unit you attempt to power up...which I believe is nonsensical.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Smart Cores...

Hi UFO,

I can only comment in terms of conventional induction. Of course the open core would mean reduced flux linkage however, it appears to be behaving in one respect like an arc welder transformer. Perhaps your coiled steel section is shunting some of the flux away from the output, once you start to draw current?

Regards

L192

Yeap, definitively true...I believe we all need to work in what I will call a "smart core" design, where we will have a "live" and not shorted electric field generated by the exciter copper wires coil once energized...but it goes beyond that...a continuous steel wire circuit which displaces along the magnetic axis,but are connected electrically between plates or wires of the core, and of course, insulated between them.

So far we have been using cores as a merely chunk of steel...whether silicon-steel, soft iron or a simple cold rolled steel rod...laminated or not...the point is going beyond that conception, as to make cores "interconnected" to allow its own electrical flow while generating the magnetic fields.

I believe even a copper strap, like we see on AC Induction Motors Stators...or a weld run like transformers have in order to keep plates together...it simply shortens their electric field or electric flow within the material.

I have done this tests which are a simple way to see the signals generated at the cores with a scope while induction is going on, and they are all different depending on core config...for example, a raw cold roll piece of iron would show a very "distorted" wave, randomly spiking and collapsing in a non organized shape...I believe this is absolutely not good, since we must realize on the cores is where everything starts from.

And am not looking to reuse that electric flow from the cores, but just "leaving it exist" while maintaining a uniformity on its Electro-Magnetical development.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[seaad]

UFO

If I should solve the Figuera OU principle I'm more or less convinced that I should not run the final unit at 50 or 60 Hz. Higer freqs gives smaller units and so on. See all apparatus today.

Regards / Arne

[Ufopolitics]

Annealing

Hello UFO,
Excuse me for butting in. First I agree with your previous post of test configuration of NYS, NYN etc. So there must be something else to consider.

However, the purpose of this reply is Soft Iron. John Bedini recommended Soft iron wires for his SSG. Either painted, laquered or rusty. It is easy to produce soft iron. The difficulty is obtaining a small furnace or kiln. JB had one of those. I have one too. All that is necessaryis to heat to about 1000C the wire metal - mild steel - to "Leach" the carbon out of the iron at this high temperature. It is remarkable how supple the wire become after this annealing process. I am sure that with your expertise, you would be able to determine the significance of the use of soft iron were it to be available.

Thanks

Dwane

Thank You Dwane,

Yes, I could anneal steel with an Oxygen-Acetylene torch, which I do have one...except my Victor oxygen gauge started leaking and now and so I will need a new one plus more gas...

Just getting a 1000C Chalk, will show whenever reaching those red hot temperatures on the wires...just have to heat it evenly, by "brushing" all the area back-forth without standing at one spot too long.

Thanks


Ufopolitics